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Obama Press Conference with Netanyahu

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disneydude said:
You do realize that your hero, GWB, believes in the same proposal, right? I guess that makes him a "Socialist" and you a "socialist apologist"?
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Bush was no hero. He wasn't as socialist as this ass clown in the office now, but he was, in some areas, none the less.
 
randel said:
your own link proves my point....obama is attempting to get them to the table to negotiate, and that means israel is going to have to bargain if we are to ever have peace in that region...i'm a supporter of israel and its right to exist, but seriously, how many people must die in this conflict before peace can be had? so attempting to get the two sides together, to hammer out a peace deal, makes obama a 'man child' and an empty suit'....i would love to see what you call him if by some stroke of luck he accomplished this by the end of his second term.
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There will NEVER be peace there.
 
Amazing how so many prominent Democrats believe that Israel was thrown under the bus but the brainwashed here ignore it.

Democratic senior statesman Ed Koch says Israel is facing its “most dangerous and critical period” and he is ready to break with his party in the next presidential election over President Obama’s policies on the Middle East.

In an exclusive interview with Newsmax.TV, the former New York City mayor said, “Mitt Romney correctly summed it up when he said that President Obama has once again thrown Israel under the bus.

“I believe this is the most dangerous and critical period that Israel has ever faced and regrettably it does not have the support of the President of the United States, which in past difficult situations it could count on.”
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Grant said:
Oh really??

And where did I declare that???
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you insist that to the victor go the spoils. and i am showing you the Palestinians did not go to war with israel in '67. here's the wiki excerpt:
... The outcome was a swift and decisive Israeli victory. Israel took effective control of the Gaza Strip and the Sinai Peninsula from Egypt, the West Bank and East Jerusalem from Jordan, and the Golan Heights from Syria. ...
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yet the israelis deprive the Palestinians of their land
and you insist such land grab is legitimate
your pathetic "understanding" of world affairs is on display
 
justabubba said:
you insist that to the victor go the spoils. and i am showing you the Palestinians did not go to war with israel in '67. here's the wiki excerpt: [emphasis added by bubba]

yet the israelis deprive the Palestinians of their land
and you insist such land grab is legitimate
your pathetic "understanding" of world affairs is on display
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So Israel took land from Egypt, the West Bank and East Jerusalem from Jordan, and the Golan Heights from Syria. Where is the Palestinian land that you claim Israel took?
 
Conservative said:
So Israel took land from Egypt, the West Bank and East Jerusalem from Jordan, and the Golan Heights from Syria. Where is the Palestinian land that you claim Israel took?
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read your history
the Palestinian mandate
there were to be two nations carved out of it
one for the jews and another for the Palestinians
appears the israelis intend to keep it all
 
justabubba said:
you insist that to the victor go the spoils. and i am showing you the Palestinians did not go to war with israel in '67. here's the wiki excerpt: [emphasis added by bubba]

yet the israelis deprive the Palestinians of their land
and you insist such land grab is legitimate
your pathetic "understanding" of world affairs is on display
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You cannot win a debate by relying on wikipedia.

Encyclopædia Britannica said:
Egyptian president Gamal Abdel Nasser had previously come under sharp criticism for his failure to aid Syria and Jordan against Israel; he had also been accused of hiding behind the United Nations Emergency Force (UNEF) stationed at Egypt's border with Israel in the Sinai. Now, however, he moved to unambiguously demonstrate support for Syria: on May 14, 1967, Nasser mobilized Egyptian forces in the Sinai; on May 18 he formally requested the removal of the UNEF stationed there; and on May 22 he closed the Gulf of Aqaba to Israeli shipping, thus instituting an effective blockade of the port city of Elat in southern Israel. On May 30, King Hussein of Jordan arrived in Cairo to sign a mutual defense pact with Egypt, placing Jordanian forces under Egyptian command; shortly thereafter, Iraq too joined the alliance.

In response to the apparent mobilization of its Arab neighbours, early on the morning of June 5, Israel staged a sudden preemptive air assault and destroyed Egypt's air force on the ground; later that day, it incapacitated a great deal of the Jordanian and Syrian air power as well. Without cover from the air, the Arab armies were left vulnerable to attack, and, as a result, the Israeli victory on the ground was also overwhelming. By the time the United Nations cease-fire came into effect on June 10, Israeli units had driven Syrian forces back from the Golan Heights, taken control of the Gaza Strip and the Sinai Peninsula from Egypt, and driven Jordanian forces from the West Bank. Notably, the Israelis were left in sole control of Jerusalem. The warfare resulted in the creation of hundreds of thousands of refugees and brought more than one million Palestinians in the occupied territories under Israeli rule.

Six-Day War — History.com Articles, Video, Pictures and Facts
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Obama is in full campaign mode and will lie to any group to get votes.

Obama: 1967 Lines With 'Swaps' Means Different Israeli Border Than in 1967

WASHINGTON -- Claiming his remarks earlier this week on borders for Israel and a future Palestinian state had been misrepresented, President Obama said Sunday that "1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps" means the two sides will "negotiate a border that is different than the one that existed on June 4, 1967."


Read more: Obama: 1967 Lines With 'Swaps' Means Different Israeli Border Than in 1967 - FoxNews.com
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justabubba said:
read your history
the Palestinian mandate
there were to be two nations carved out of it
one for the jews and another for the Palestinians
appears the israelis intend to keep it all
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I have read the history books, I see Israel taking land from the countries I mentioned but none from the Palestinians. Did you read the UN Resolution in 1948 and mandate? Which mandates are you willing to accept, only the ones you agree with?
 
Conservative said:
I have read the history books, I see Israel taking land from the countries I mentioned but none from the Palestinians. Did you read the UN Resolution in 1948 and mandate? Which mandates are you willing to accept, only the ones you agree with?
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so, why does isreal get to keep land which was not accorded to it
 
justabubba said:
read your history
the Palestinian mandate
there were to be two nations carved out of it
one for the jews and another for the Palestinians
appears the israelis intend to keep it all
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Seriously?? Israel intends to keep "all" of the Palestinian mandate? Have you not seen the Palestinian Mandate before?

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Please explain how Israel intends to keep all of the area shaded in light green?
 
justabubba said:
so, why does isreal get to keep land which was not accorded to it
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What does that have to do with my question, They gave back the Gaza Strip, the gave back land to Jordan, Jordan isn't asking for the rest of their land back, Syria supports Hezbollah and Hamas Charter calls for the destruction of Israel. Where is the Palestinian land that Israel took?
 
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Sheik Yerbuti said:
Seriously?? Israel intends to keep "all" of the Palestinian mandate? Have you not seen the Palestinian Mandate before?

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Please explain how Israel intends to keep all of the area shaded in light green?
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Looks like most of it is in Jordan, when are the Arab states going to step up and fulfill the mandate by giving up some of their land?
 
Conservative said:
What does that have to do with my question, They gave back the Gaza Strip, the gave back land to Jordan, Jordan isn't asking for the rest of their land back, Syria supports Hezbollah and Hamas Charter calls for the destruction of Israel. Where is the Palestinian land that Israel took?
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Fox News' Chris Wallace disagrees with you while schooling Herman "Pizza King" Cain on the ME.

 
Conservative said:
What does that have to do with my question, They gave back the Gaza Strip, the gave back land to Jordan, Jordan isn't asking for the rest of their land back, Syria supports Hezbollah and Hamas Charter calls for the destruction of Israel. Where is the Palestinian land that Israel took?
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As usual when refuted a liberal runs. What's the matter, no answer?
 
Che said:
It belongs to the Palestinians now as the King Of Jordan gave it to them in 1988.
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The King of Jordan didn't have anything to give them in 1988. Israel gave them the Gaza Strip.
 
Conservative said:
The King of Jordan didn't have anything to give them in 1988. Israel gave them the Gaza Strip.
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Yes the King Of Jordan did, he had the West Bank as legally under international law Jordan still owned that land.It was given to the Palestinians in 1988.The whole of the international community recognize that transfer except Israel.One more thing Israel did not give anybody the Gaza strip as they never legally owned it, all Israel did was leave there as they were told to by the UN.
 
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Che said:
Yes the King Of Jordan did, he had the West Bank as legally under international law Jordan still owned that land.It was given to the Palestinians in 1988.The whole of the international community recognize that transfer.One more thing Israel did not give anybody the Gaza strip as they never legally owned it, all Israel did was leave there as they were told to by the UN.
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International law? Who supported the Kings Decision on Jordan? Did the Arab nations adopt the UN Resolution establishing Israel? The Palestinians understand that it is much easier waging war than it is ruling a country .They have no interest in recognizing and living side by side with Israel and Israel knows that. You cannot negotiate with anyone who has elements in a charter calling for total destruction.
 
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