Obama opts out of public campaign finance system

[scourge99]

Lol@evolution of opinion vs changing your mind. It's in moments like this where I think of the difference between fellatio and a blowjob.

Do you not see any difference in statics issues like abortion and homosexuality as compared to dynamic issues such as Iraq, Iran, healthcare, and oil?

If I have to spell it out I will.

 

[Hatuey]

Do you not see any difference in statics issues like abortion and homosexuality as compared to dynamic issues such as Iraq, Iran, healthcare, and oil?

Pssst. Welcome to the interweb

YouTube - John McCain Flip Flops on Gay Marriage

YouTube - McCain Flip Flops on Abortion

If I have to spell it out I will.

Don't. Thanks for playing :2wave:

 

[jallman]

Lol@evolution of opinion vs changing your mind. It's in moments like this where I think of the difference between fellatio and a blowjob.

Changing your mind is one thing. Breaking a deal is a completely separate issue.

 

[jallman]

Can you show us the agreement McCain and Obama made? Thanks.

Timeline of Obama and Public Funding

FEBRUARY 2007: Barack Obama Petitions The FEC To Clear Way For Deal To Preserve Public Financing For the General Election, Pledging To Do So If He Is The Nominee. “Senator Barack Obama of Illinois, a contender for the Democratic presidential nomination, issued an unusual challenge to his rivals on Wednesday. He proposed a voluntary agreement between the two major party nominees that would limit their fund-raising and spending for the general election. … In a Feb. 1 filing with the Federal Election Commission that was made public on Wednesday, Mr. Obama said that he, too, would seek enough private donations to remain competitive, but with a twist. He asked the commission if he could begin soliciting private donations with the understanding that he might later return the money to his contributors. If he won the Democratic nomination, he could then strike a deal with the Republican nominee to return their private donat ions and use only public money for the general election. For 2008, that would limit each general election campaign to about $85 million. ‘Should both major party nominees elect to receive public funding, this would preserve the public financing system, now in danger of collapse, and facilitate the conduct of campaigns freed from any dependence on private fund-raising,’ Mr. Obama’s filing said.” (David K. Kirkpatrick, “Obama Proposes Candidates Limit General Election Spending,” The New York Times, 2/8/07)

And you were saying?

 

[Hatuey]

Changing your mind is one thing. Breaking a deal is a completely separate issue.

What deal did Obama make? He said he'd pursue an agreement with McCain through negotiations. The negotiations didn't go well apparently Obama didn't sign any legal documents or make an expressed agreements with McCain.

 

[Hatuey]

Timeline of Obama and Public Funding

And you were saying?

So you're saying that pursuing an agreement with somebody is the same thing as making an agreement with somebody? If I talk about selling you a bridge does that mean you'll actually buy the bridge?

 

[jallman]

What deal did Obama make? He said he'd pursue an agreement with McCain through negotiations. The negotiations didn't go well apparently Obama didn't sign any legal documents or make an expressed agreements with McCain.

A man is as good as his word. That means Obama's word and a dollar will get you a hamburger.

 

[Hatuey]

A man is as good as his word. That means Obama's word and a dollar will get you a hamburger.

Can you show where Obama made ANY agreements with McCains camp other then saying he'd pursue negotiations?

 

[Alex]

Can you show us the agreement McCain and Obama made? Thanks.

"The move was widely expected given Obama's record-smashing fundraising in a presidential campaign that will be the most expensive in U.S. history. The Illinois senator, said last year he would take general election public funds if his Republican opponent did the same."

Obama rejects public financing against McCain | U.S. | Reuters

Even worse, it seems as if Obama's campaign lied about discussing it with McCain's campaign.

"Obama had said for months he would talk to McCain about an arrangement on financing, but his campaign said a meeting between lawyers indicated there was no basis for further discussions.

McCain lawyer Trevor Potter said there were no negotiations on the issue with the Obama camp."

Obama rejects public financing against McCain | U.S. | Reuters

"Last year, Obama filled out a questionnaire where he vowed to 'aggressively pursue an agreement with the Republican nominee to preserve a publicly financed general election.' But since clinching the Democratic nomination earlier this month, Obama has not broached the subject with McCain. The only discussion occurred about two weeks ago between Obama's and McCain's lawyers,

Obama lawyer Robert Bauer said he discussed the public financing issue for 45 minutes on June 6 with McCain counsel Trevor Potter. In interviews and e-mails, both Bauer and Potter agree that Bauer raised concerns about McCain having a head start because he had secured the nomination in early March and Obama did not until June 3. Potter said he told Bauer that given Obama's fundraising 'I was sure there would be no McCain advantage by the end of the summer.'

That meeting, Potter said, 'was not part of any negotiation' on public financing.

'There was no aggressive pursuit of negotiations with the McCain campaign, there was no pursuit, period, of negotiations with the McCain campaign,' Potter added later in a conference call with reporters.

At a breakfast with reporters Thursday, Bauer said that after his meeting with Potter, 'It became clear to me, and I reported to the campaign, that there really wasn't a basis for further discussion.'

Obama bypasses public money — 1st since Watergate - Yahoo! News

Obama agreed to public finance and now has backed off. Another sign of his two faces.

 

[jallman]

Can you show where Obama made ANY agreements with McCains camp other then saying he'd pursue negotiations?

He put out the challenged and then reneged on it. I'm sorry the Great Hope is such a Great Disappointment. Take that up with the dealbreaker, not me.

 

[scourge99]

Pssst. Welcome to the interweb

YouTube - John McCain Flip Flops on Gay Marriage

YouTube - McCain Flip Flops on Abortion



Don't. Thanks for playing :2wave:

Nice red-herring.

McCain may be a flip-flopper but you need to acknowledge that for Obama to.

Obama-maniacs in denial.

 

[Skip]

"The move was widely expected given Obama's record-smashing fundraising in a presidential campaign that will be the most expensive in U.S. history. The Illinois senator, said last year he would take general election public funds if his Republican opponent did the same."

Obama rejects public financing against McCain | U.S. | Reuters

Even worse, it seems as if Obama's campaign lied about discussing it with McCain's campaign.

"Obama had said for months he would talk to McCain about an arrangement on financing, but his campaign said a meeting between lawyers indicated there was no basis for further discussions.

McCain lawyer Trevor Potter said there were no negotiations on the issue with the Obama camp."

Obama rejects public financing against McCain | U.S. | Reuters

"Last year, Obama filled out a questionnaire where he vowed to 'aggressively pursue an agreement with the Republican nominee to preserve a publicly financed general election.' But since clinching the Democratic nomination earlier this month, Obama has not broached the subject with McCain. The only discussion occurred about two weeks ago between Obama's and McCain's lawyers,

Obama lawyer Robert Bauer said he discussed the public financing issue for 45 minutes on June 6 with McCain counsel Trevor Potter. In interviews and e-mails, both Bauer and Potter agree that Bauer raised concerns about McCain having a head start because he had secured the nomination in early March and Obama did not until June 3. Potter said he told Bauer that given Obama's fundraising 'I was sure there would be no McCain advantage by the end of the summer.'

That meeting, Potter said, 'was not part of any negotiation' on public financing.

'There was no aggressive pursuit of negotiations with the McCain campaign, there was no pursuit, period, of negotiations with the McCain campaign,' Potter added later in a conference call with reporters.

At a breakfast with reporters Thursday, Bauer said that after his meeting with Potter, 'It became clear to me, and I reported to the campaign, that there really wasn't a basis for further discussion.'

Obama bypasses public money — 1st since Watergate - Yahoo! News

Obama agreed to public finance and now has backed off. Another sign of his two faces.

Obama said he'd go public if McCain did. McCain had made no public decision when Obama decided to go private. McCain then hurriedly announced he was going public and berated Obama for breaking his word.

If that's all McCain's got, the Dems are in great shape for November.

 

[jallman]

Obama said he'd go public if McCain did. McCain had made no public decision when Obama decided to go private.

So, then, by your own admission, Obama's word is only as good as the time it takes him to change his mind. LOL

You guys kill me with your support of that phony, lying, consumate politician. I know, I know...he talks purty. We all got that by now. :roll:

 

[the makeout hobo]

I have a question for those of you who are attacking Obama for declining public funding:

Recently Obama mulled over the concept of a self-imposed cap on donations. If Obama were to institute such a cap, would you find it an acceptable alternative?

 

[jallman]

I have a question for those of you who are attacking Obama for declining public funding:

Recently Obama mulled over the concept of a self-imposed cap on donations. If Obama were to institute such a cap, would you find it an acceptable alternative?

No, I would find him keeping his word the only acceptable option.

 

[the makeout hobo]

No, I would find him keeping his word the only acceptable option.

So for you it isn't about limiting special interest money, its about Obama keeping his word, right? A second question: if he were to accept public financing, would it make you at all more likely to vote for him?

 

[jallman]

So for you it isn't about limiting special interest money, its about Obama keeping his word, right? A second question: if he were to accept public financing, would it make you at all more likely to vote for him?

Yes, this is about Obama keeping his word and living up to the challenge HE PUT FORTH.

This is only the latest in a rash of issues that would keep me from voting for Obama. However, my vote should not be the sole instigator of honesty and integrity in a candidate.

 

[Skip]

So, then, by your own admission, Obama's word is only as good as the time it takes him to change his mind. LOL

So Obama was obligated to wait until McCain made his decision, before he could make his own, by the conservatives' standard. Of course that's the only fair way....:roll:

 

[jallman]

So Obama was obligated to wait until McCain made his decision, before he could make his own, by the conservatives' standard. Of course that's the only fair way....:roll:

Or he could have simply initiated negotiations as he promised in the beginning. But of course, it's got to be the Republican's fault that Obama couldn't keep his word. Typical.

Obama is a perfect liberal candidate; personal responsibility is foreign territory to him and his supporters.

 

[Alex]

Obama said he'd go public if McCain did. McCain had made no public decision when Obama decided to go private. McCain then hurriedly announced he was going public and berated Obama for breaking his word.

If that's all McCain's got, the Dems are in great shape for November.

By your own words, "Obama said he'd go public if McCain did." Well, McCain did, Obama backed down. To say Obama went private because McCain made no public decision is silly at best. It has been well known throughout the election season that McCain wanted to use public financing.

Public finance is a big issue because of the special interests involved in Obama's fundraising method. The power of the vote should be in the hands of the voters.

 

[Hatuey]

Nice red-herring.

McCain may be a flip-flopper but you need to acknowledge that for Obama to.

Obama-maniacs in denial.

How can it be a red herring from ME when it was YOU who brought it up. Please learn to use the terms correctly.

 

[aps]

There is a huge difference between evolving your stance on an issue and breaking your word in a competition. No comparison really.

Well, the way I see it, Obama's flip flop isn't affecting the American people in a negative way. Drilling in certain states will negatively affect American people in those states, and it won't help gas prices.

 

[Alex]

Well, the way I see it, Obama's flip flop isn't affecting the American people in a negative way. Drilling in certain states will negatively affect American people in those states, and it won't help gas prices.

Giving unnecessary power to special interests is not affecting people in a negative way?

Drilling in certain states will produce jobs in those states, and increasing the supply will lower prices. How is that negative?

 

[Thorgasm]

It's obvious that the Obamaphiliac in you is being obtuse. An agreement made in good faith and a changing stance on a dynamic issue are not comparable.

It's not like Obama signed a legally binding contract for a loan on the premise of taking public financing.

Why is public financing such a big deal in the general election but not the primaries?

 

[mikhail]

Well it is a total flip-flop for personnel reasons rather than a change of circumstances from everyones point of view.It wont hurt him much though because election reform is a subject the vast majority of people no nothing about.