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Your inability to get over your hatred for Obama has made this conversation worthless and tiring. Lucky you only have 2 years left.
Your inability to get over your hatred for Obama has made this conversation worthless and tiring. Lucky you only have 2 years left.Really? Well dang, I guess the President was clueless again.
Pol,
You probably haven't lived a level of poverty where your food groups are grape soda and mayo sandwiches. However, that does exist in our country and people make decisions based around it. Some people try their hardest and struggle for decades to get ahead. They work menial jobs, they take crap from ****ty employers. Some eventually make it out of that poverty and live what is referred to as the "American Dream". Others simply can't make it happen no matter how much crap they take or how hard they work.
In that second group (the group that doesn't get ahead), you have two kinds of people. The kind which continue trying and don't get anywhere and you have the group that simply decides to give up. This mentality is passed down from one generation to another and to a large extent, it's based on the real life experiences of people living in many of our inner cities. That kind of people is the kind that is responsible for a lot of the criminality in this country.
So what we have is a multifaceted problem. The first is that yes, poverty diminishes the possibilities of an individual. Secondly, it makes the easy (and trust me on this, they're pretty easy) profits of criminal activities. Finally, this mentality is handed down from one generation to the other.
With that stated, social programs do ensure that people are less likely to turn into criminals. They ensure that many people are kept away from the crushing poverty we saw in the early 20th century when these programs didn't exist.
Obviously, this doesn't explain why so many in Wall Street have turned to criminality. The reasons why the rich engage in crime are vastly different than the reasons the poor do. However, in the end, the majority of poor people who engage in criminality do so because they feel it is a good way to survive. I'm not justifying it in any way, but I can see how and why it happens. This is the least convoluted explanation I can give.
Great post! :thumbs: Multiple likes given, but only one shows up! :lol:
Are there people who aren't on food stamps that should be? Why would anyone live on grape soda and mayo sandwiches by choice? If food stamp money doesn't have to be spent on food only, I guess that's possible, but yuck!
There's obviously a problem, though, because there's a reason why schools are feeding children breakfast and lunch these days, and sending backpacks full of food home on Friday so kids have food to eat over the weekend. We've gotten way out of whack somewhere along the line. I'm very concerned about what's going to happen to the poor if the economy completely heads South, as so many are predicting, and I blame both sides for their inattention to reality.
As far as Wall Street is concerned, I am seeing that there seems to be almost a frenetic change in attitude lately. They have always been called greedy and self-serving, but there seems to be something else in the wind these days, like a haste to make as much money as possible before some deadline occurs. Unless it has something to do with the rumor that we may lose our "favored nation" status, and the repercussions that will follow, I have no explanation, but even the brokers are edgy.
I don't know what's going on or what's coming, Hatuey, but I guess it's time to expect the unexpected, and try to be flexible. I just hope that Baltimore doesn't turn out to have been a cakewalk by comparison to what's next, and I'm not a conspiracy nut by nature. :shock: I'd like to see everyone work together to fix our problems, and I'll help if I know what to do.
This thread has actually been pretty hilarious. People are unironically interpreting Obama's saying that there is no excuse for violence and rioting to mean that he is excusing violence and rioting. How can people be this jaded? :lamo
Greetings, AlbqOwl. :2wave:
I must have missed that part - I had to take cookies out of the oven - but what exactly does he recommend as a solution to the problem? What I did hear was that he blamed everyone but the mob destroying the city, even though he did "tsk tsk tsk" them a bit for causing what I saw from videos as utter out-of-control pandemonium! :thumbdown:
Right-wing media has pushed the meme that Obama hates whitey, has been deliberately destroying America, has ruined the post-racial Shangri-La we were allegedly living in. Everything he does is wrong. And their consumers eat it up and demand more. Ergo, everything becomes an excuse to blame Obama because somehow, he simply HAS to be responsible.
When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
I'm not walking back anything - they're black and their savages - I've got the integrity and stones to call it what it is - I'm not entertained at all by what I'm seeing going on in Baltimore and in many places in the US. As a liberal, I'm sure you're delighted because that's what liberals live for and promote. Without conflict between citizens, you've got nothing.
I'm not walking back anything - they're black and their savages - I've got the integrity and stones to call it what it is - I'm not entertained at all by what I'm seeing going on in Baltimore and in many places in the US. As a liberal, I'm sure you're delighted because that's what liberals live for and promote. Without conflict between citizens, you've got nothing.
I wish we could go back to times before Obama. When black people didn't protest because of police brutality. That makes so many internet white people angry. I'm really concerned about their emotional wellbeing.
I remember when the Rodney King riots happened and President Obama did NOTHING ABOUT IT.
... I remember when Tupac was shot and Obama did nothing about it. As a matter of fact, do we know where Obama was when Tupac was killed? I bet you he did it. Obama killed Tupac.
I'm still waiting to hear when the Justice Department is going to start an investigation of the Baltimore mayor for potentially violating the civil rights of certain people by "giving the rioters space" to destroy those people's property.
Absolutely nobody is defending the mayor. For the DOJ to get involved, they will need some evidence of actual willful criminal activity on the mayor's part, not just "stuff I don't like," regardless of how stupid it is.
Lack of evidence didn't stop the Department of Justice on other occasions.
The DOJ has a long, bad history of injecting itself into places it doesn't belong; a precedent that far outdates Obama, Bush or any president in our memory.
What the hell is your point?
I'm still waiting to hear when the Justice Department is going to start an investigation of the Baltimore mayor for potentially violating the civil rights of certain people by "giving the rioters space" to destroy those people's property.
Would you have preferred an all-out war between the police and the protestors?
That would have fed right into what far-righty whities would have wanted.
Literally shoot the messengers--don't ever deal with the ongoing message how it starts every time.
That is the goal of the far-right extreme--a second civil war.
The number of #1 best-sellers on the subject since your current President began in 2009.
The bragging of how the wrong-minded have all the weapons and clips.
The right-wing hate radio that preaches to its brethren every night.
And FOX to bring it all home .
ohhhhh...I undesrtand but it appears you dont understand your own posts.. you are parroting CNNs "semantic dance"...Obama knows saying the word Ferguson is going to equate this to that.. and bring in the hate.. Obama just had to say " we wont tolerate any crime of arson or rioting, you will be arrested" but he made sure to bring his view that this a shut case and Obama once again has giving his verdict and has given JUSTIFICATION for more rioting....
That's pretty much the gist of every single one of his posts. It's how he earned a spot on my ignore list, which is all of 2 people.Please don't feel you have to respond to me because I've read your posts and I have no interest in discussing this with you, but I wanted to counter this point which I think is a terrible point. Obama saying that the rioting is inexcusable and, at the same time, saying that police brutality is a "slow rolling crisis" go hand in hand. In fact, the latter seems like it would be MORE effective in preventing riots. If you were angry about police targeting black people and the president said "I understand," then you would be LESS likely to be angry about it because "the most powerful man in the world" (I put that in quotations because I think the President has been a figurehead for a century) is on your side. I don't understand your logic other than from a standpoint of "Obama bad. Republican good. Black people angry. White people good."
I guess when Obama called the rioters "thugs and criminals" it just wasn't quite up to snuff. He actually had to call them "black savages" to please a certain segment of the population. Because, of course, Obama needs so much more public/media grief than he's already gotten by calling them "thugs and criminals", eh? Poor Obama can't say anything right! :lol:
Just to make the point, in the very few minutes I saw coverage on TV of the riots before I turned the channel, I saw white folks doing it too. Funny how those don't count ot you...
That's pretty much my view on the matter. I don't condone the rioting or the looting, but I can definitely see how the current conditions led to it. Police departments in US cities have been getting away with killing civilians for decades. Normally, it's impossible to really make a case against a single incident because they can have as much as 10-15 years between them. However, when a single police department has paid millions within a 4 year span, and has over a 100 such incidents within that period, there is an obvious pattern. This is specially true if the city doesn't even reach the 1 million mark. I think that was Obama's mistake. Linking this to Ferguson. The situations simply aren't the same though there is ample evidence that the FPD also engaged in some of the same tactics. I guess what I am saying is that the issues should be viewed as separate but within a larger national pattern of police brutality.
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