Obama loses Bin Laden Bounce

[Conservative]

Looks like the American people are waking up to the empty suit they hired in November 2011. It is about time.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit.../06/06/AGT5wiKH_story.html?wpisrc=nl_politics

To those who continue to support Obama just a reminder that flies in the face of reality. Bailing out the unions and massive expansion of govt. is fundamentally changing America for the worse.

 

[shades]

any free thinkng person would know that Obama had very little to do with finding Bin Laden.
its like going to McDonalds and thanking Ronald for the hamburger. then realizing hes just the clown.

what Obama can be given credit for is that Bin Laden was assasinated, that was his call.

and a liberal who stood so tall against mere "torture tactics" at Gitmo should have a problem with assasination, but I somehow doubt most will

 

[tlmorg02]

Looks like the American people are waking up to the empty suit they hired in November 2011. It is about time.

Obama loses bin Laden bounce; Romney on the move among GOP contenders - The Washington Post

To those who continue to support Obama just a reminder that flies in the face of reality. Bailing out the unions and massive expansion of govt. is fundamentally changing America for the worse.

Huh? Unions? I thought he bailed out corporate bankers and Wall Street firms that are still giving CEO's and executives millions in bonuses of tax payer money. But nice try. Unions...lol, thats too much.:lol:

 

[Conservative]

Huh? Unions? I thought he bailed out corporate bankers and Wall Street firms that are still giving CEO's and executives millions in bonuses of tax payer money. But nice try. Unions...lol, thats too much.:lol:

Easy for you to distort history although Obama did indeed help in creating TARP which bailed out the banks. AIG, Freddie, Fannie are the big problems and all continue to operate the way they have in the past, thus helping them is rewarding bad behavior. The hatred here for Corporations and CEO ignores the bigger problem, small businesses which create jobs and those that are styfled by over regulations and burdensome taxes.

 

[tlmorg02]

Easy for you to distort history although Obama did indeed help in creating TARP which bailed out the banks. AIG, Freddie, Fannie are the big problems and all continue to operate the way they have in the past, thus helping them is rewarding bad behavior. The hatred here for Corporations and CEO ignores the bigger problem, small businesses which create jobs and those that are styfled by over regulations and burdensome taxes.

You are incorrect. Small businesses are stifled because credit is in short-supply due to banks tightening their lending practices. I work for a small business and know many people who run small businesses and they all say the same thing. They never complain about the mythical government regulation that Conservatives assert are holding back the economy. The do however complain about the difficulty in getting credit and the overall market in that consumers just do not have excess capital to buy due to high energy costs and lack of jobs.

It seems that everyone wants something to boost their confidence before the economy can improve. Large and small businesses want to see consumer confidence and spending boost before they will provide jobs. Consumers want to see more jobs and lower energy costs before they will spend, thus we are at a stalemate.

The government has in the past been the one entity to infuse the system with cash in order to stimulate both job growth and confidence, however high debt from both wars, tarp, and government waste has hindered the government from doing such. So here we are, an economy moving forward, but at a snails pace.

 

[Conservative]

You are incorrect. Small businesses are stifled because credit is in short-supply due to banks tightening their lending practices. I work for a small business and know many people who run small businesses and they all say the same thing. They never complain about the mythical government regulation that Conservatives assert are holding back the economy. The do however complain about the difficulty in getting credit and the overall market in that consumers just do not have excess capital to buy due to high energy costs and lack of jobs.

It seems that everyone wants something to boost their confidence before the economy can improve. Large and small businesses want to see consumer confidence and spending boost before they will provide jobs. Consumers want to see more jobs and lower energy costs before they will spend, thus we are at a stalemate.

The government has in the past been the one entity to infuse the system with cash in order to stimulate both job growth and confidence, however high debt from both wars, tarp, and government waste has hindered the government from doing such. So here we are, an economy moving forward, but at a snails pace.

If you go back through history you will find that much of the debt didn't come from the wars, TARP, although Govt. waste is indeed a problem. Social engineering and an overreaching govt. is the problem. The massive expansion of Govt. starting with the New Deal and followed by the Great Society have interjected govt. into our economy at a way never intended. Politicians are more concerned about their next job than doing their current job. it is always about re-election and never doing what is righ.

It is the private sector that will create the economic growth to turn the economy around and obamacare, regulations, and the massive debt is the problem.

 

[tlmorg02]

If you go back through history you will find that much of the debt didn't come from the wars, TARP, although Govt. waste is indeed a problem. Social engineering and an overreaching govt. is the problem. The massive expansion of Govt. starting with the New Deal and followed by the Great Society have interjected govt. into our economy at a way never intended. Politicians are more concerned about their next job than doing their current job. it is always about re-election and never doing what is righ.

It is the private sector that will create the economic growth to turn the economy around and obamacare, regulations, and the massive debt is the problem.

Lets take a look:

As you can clearly see by the graph, it does not appear to be the New Deal that increased the National Debt, but rather policies since Reagan that have clearly shot the debt to their current levels.

 

[Conservative]

Lets take a look:

As you can clearly see by the graph, it does not appear to be the New Deal that increased the National Debt, but rather policies since Reagan that have clearly shot the debt to their current levels.

Yes, that would seem to be the case as far as it goes. The problem you have is the actual results. Up to the time the debt was low is we had enough money coming in to fully fund SS and other New Deal Programs which since have gone into the red as gov.t spending increased. The intent never was to pay SS as the life expectancy at the time SS was created was 62 with payout to begin at 65. As life expectancy increased so did the payouts and that started the upward costs of SS. Medicare was then added to the SS which added to the New Deal costs. Now we can go on and on but does any of this really matter? Since taking office Obama has increased spending dramatically and added almost 4 trillion to the debt in just two plus years. His economic policy was a disaster with no end in site. He got a bounce from getting Bin Laden but his economic policy results are catching up with him. There are more people unemployed today than when he took office, fewer people employed, lower economic growth, and higher debt. No wonder he lost the bounce.

 

[tlmorg02]

Yes, that would seem to be the case as far as it goes. The problem you have is the actual results. Up to the time the debt was low is we had enough money coming in to fully fund SS and other New Deal Programs which since have gone into the red as gov.t spending increased. The intent never was to pay SS as the life expectancy at the time SS was created was 62 with payout to begin at 65. As life expectancy increased so did the payouts and that started the upward costs of SS. Medicare was then added to the SS which added to the New Deal costs. Now we can go on and on but does any of this really matter? Since taking office Obama has increased spending dramatically and added almost 4 trillion to the debt in just two plus years. His economic policy was a disaster with no end in site. He got a bounce from getting Bin Laden but his economic policy results are catching up with him. There are more people unemployed today than when he took office, fewer people employed, lower economic growth, and higher debt. No wonder he lost the bounce.

Obama is indeed being judged on the economy. Obama's main problem is that he wants everyone to like him and he bounces back and forth between GOP policies and Democrat policies and never gets anything accomplished. But when it actually comes to election time, I will wager you now that he takes it again. Why? Because there is no one that the GOP has that even remotely looks like a viable alternative in the actual election. Sure polls may go one way or another at any given moment, but Obama has this one in the bag as it stands right now.

 

[Conservative]

Obama is indeed being judged on the economy. Obama's main problem is that he wants everyone to like him and he bounces back and forth between GOP policies and Democrat policies and never gets anything accomplished. But when it actually comes to election time, I will wager you now that he takes it again. Why? Because there is no one that the GOP has that even remotely looks like a viable alternative in the actual election. Sure polls may go one way or another at any given moment, but Obama has this one in the bag as it stands right now.

This country cannot handle another four years of Obama. The results speak for themselves. All partisanship beside Obama has surrounded himself with intellectuals who haven't a clue as to how the private sector works and has gone about rebuilding the public sector and promoting unions. There is only one candidate that will wipe the floor with Obama and that is Romney. He has the experience Obama lacked, he has the image that America wants, he is a proponent of states rights, thus Romneycare. He will be my choice at this point although I am not sure that obama will take anything again if the numbers stay as bad as they are regardless of who is nominated.

 

[Sheik Yerbuti]

Since taking office Obama has increased spending dramatically and added almost 4 trillion to the debt in just two plus years.

That is the same pace the debt was already increasing by (1.5 trillion per year) before Obama was even elected.

11/03/2007 9,078,823,870,519
11/03/2008 10,556,177,748,045

treasurydirect.gov

 

[Conservative]

That is the same pace the debt was already increasing by (1.5 trillion per year) before Obama was even elected.

11/03/2007 9,078,823,870,519
11/03/2008 10,556,177,748,045

treasurydirect.gov

And what is the debt today?

 

[Sheik Yerbuti]

And what is the debt today?

About 1.5 trillion per year more than it was 2½ years ago. Seems to me your complaint is that Obama has not slowed down the rate of the debt increasing that he inherited from Bush.

 

[Conservative]

About 1.5 trillion per year more than it was 2½ years ago. Seems to me your complaint is that Obama has not slowed down the rate of the debt increasing that he inherited from Bush.

Obama inherited a debt from Bush, just like Bush inherited a debt from Clinton, and Clinton inherited a debt from GHW Bush and so on. Obama put Bush spending on steroids and generated the results we see today which is lower employment, higher unemployment and greater debt. Those are the facts which most high school students should understand.

 

[shades]

look, Obama's campaign slogan is
things were bad when I got here, I staved off disaster, I just need more time.

Show me a president in history that didnt come in saying the last one wasnt good for the country.

Staving off disaster is an unknown, and saying you just need more time is a cop out.

he was hired to set a path to recovery, thats a given.

problem is we cant see the path, 2 1/2 years in...

can he pull this line of BS off?
I will believe anything these days, wont surprise me.

 

[Conservative]

Words that will come back to haunt Obama

2008: "Navy Seal Team 6 is Cheney's private assassination team."

2011: "I put together Seal Team 6 to take out Bin Laden."



2008: "Bin Laden is innocent until proven guilty, and must be captured
alive and given a fair trial."

2011: "I authorized Seal Team 6 to kill Bin Laden."



2008: "Guantanamo is entirely unnecessary, and the detainees should not be
interrogated."

2011: "Vital intelligence was obtained from Guantanamo detainees that led
to our locating Bin Laden."

 

[Sheik Yerbuti]

Obama inherited a debt from Bush, just like Bush inherited a debt from Clinton, and Clinton inherited a debt from GHW Bush and so on. Obama put Bush spending on steroids and generated the results we see today which is lower employment, higher unemployment and greater debt. Those are the facts which most high school students should understand.

Hmmm, unemployment nearly doubled on Bush's watch, it's up 1.3 percentage points under Obama.

In the year before Bush became president, the debt increased 600 million, in his final year, the debt increased 1.44 trillion; an increase of an incredible 229913%.

In the year before Obama became president, the debt increased 1.44 trillion, over this past year, the debt increased 1.29 trillion; a decrease of about 11%.

 

[Swizz]

Words that will come back to haunt Obama

You actually think anyone's going to give a **** about this? lol

At the end of the day, Osama bin Laden is dead. It's hard to imagine a greater foreign policy victory by a president in this day and age. Clinton tried and failed and Bush tried and failed for years; Obama promised we would get Osama bin Laden during the 2008 campaign, and succeeded. No one's going to even remotely care that he once said we should have captured him; the fact of the matter is, we didn't, and he's gone. You may dislike it, or be unhappy with earlier statements, but the vast majority of voters will not be fazed.

 

[Conservative]

Hmmm, unemployment nearly doubled on Bush's watch, it's up 1.3 percentage points under Obama.

In the year before Bush became president, the debt increased 600 million, in his final year, the debt increased 1.44 trillion; an increase of an incredible 229913%.

In the year before Obama became president, the debt increased 1.44 trillion, over this past year, the debt increased 1.29 trillion; a decrease of about 11%.

Here we go again, different thread same tired old defense. This is the Obama Economy and the record shows fewer employed now, more unemployed, and higher debt than when he took office. Most people recognize the failures of this Administration but apparently not the Obama cult followers.

Just so we are clear here and just so you can be smarter in your high school classes, the fiscal year of the United States runs from October1-Sept. 30 so here is the debt for those fiscal years

09/30/2010 13,561,623,030,891.79
09/30/2009 11,909,829,003,511.75
09/30/2008 10,024,724,896,912.49
09/30/2007 9,007,653,372,262.48

Now you can remain in denial like all other Obama cult followers or you can admit what the rest of us know, this is the Obama economy and the results are a disaster

 

[Conservative]

You actually think anyone's going to give a **** about this? lol

At the end of the day, Osama bin Laden is dead. It's hard to imagine a greater foreign policy victory by a president in this day and age. Clinton tried and failed and Bush tried and failed for years; Obama promised we would get Osama bin Laden during the 2008 campaign, and succeeded. No one's going to even remotely care that he once said we should have captured him; the fact of the matter is, we didn't, and he's gone. You may dislike it, or be unhappy with earlier statements, but the vast majority of voters will not be fazed.

Congratulations, now tell the 15 million unemployed Americans how much better they are now that Bin Laden is dead?

 

[Swizz]

Congratulations, now tell the 15 million unemployed Americans how much better they are now that Bin Laden is dead?

Well now you're just changing the subject entirely and ignoring my points. Is this now an economic discussion?

 

[Conservative]

Well now you're just changing the subject entirely and ignoring my points. Is this now an economic discussion?

You brought Bin Laden into the argument and I made a very specific point. You don't believe the rhetoric matters, you could be right, but economics will matter. The subject of this thread is Obama losing the Bin Laden bounce which you disagree with but it is also apparent that you didn't read the article. Read the article and economics is in that article.

 

[Whovian]

Words that will come back to haunt Obama

2008: "Navy Seal Team 6 is Cheney's private assassination team."

2011: "I put together Seal Team 6 to take out Bin Laden."



2008: "Bin Laden is innocent until proven guilty, and must be captured
alive and given a fair trial."

2011: "I authorized Seal Team 6 to kill Bin Laden."



2008: "Guantanamo is entirely unnecessary, and the detainees should not be
interrogated."

2011: "Vital intelligence was obtained from Guantanamo detainees that led
to our locating Bin Laden."

Sorry folks, but I actually have to give this one to Conservative. As much as his usual hyper partisan hackery annoys even me, he's right. Assuming those 2008 quotes are genuine (Links please, Conservative...) it shows what a hypocrite Obama really is. The fact that most politicians are hypocrites does not absolve Obama of his sins in that sense.

 

[Conservative]

Hmmm, unemployment nearly doubled on Bush's watch, it's up 1.3 percentage points under Obama.

In the year before Bush became president, the debt increased 600 million, in his final year, the debt increased 1.44 trillion; an increase of an incredible 229913%.

In the year before Obama became president, the debt increased 1.44 trillion, over this past year, the debt increased 1.29 trillion; a decrease of about 11%.

In another thread you asked which Republican would beat Obama, suggest you read the article that is the subject of this thread and the answer is right there for you

Among all Americans, Obama and Romney are knotted at 47 percent each, and among registered voters, the former governor is numerically ahead, 49 percent to 46 percent.

 

[tlmorg02]

Sorry folks, but I actually have to give this one to Conservative. As much as his usual hyper partisan hackery annoys even me, he's right. Assuming those 2008 quotes are genuine (Links please, Conservative...) it shows what a hypocrite Obama really is. The fact that most politicians are hypocrites does not absolve Obama of his sins in that sense.

Obama has definitely changed stances on many issues and has been called on it repeatedly. However, the allusion that GOP policies will save this country is a crock, when Obama has enacted many GOP policies. Namely TARP, continued the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest because "it will create jobs!" LOL, and he has made many concessions to the GOP. However, none of these things have stimulated the economy whatsoever, nor will their policies if they are elected.