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Obama EPA kills power plant, 3,900 jobs in Texas

Irrational hatred of the President seldom allows rational responses.

Does Obama have control over electricity generation in Australia? Power profits up by $100m despite users cutting back

How about in the UK? Electricity price-rise pain may be worse than expected - Business News - Business - The Independent

Oh maybe he does control India's costs? As costs rise, power companies to up tariffs 33 per cent - Economic Times


Then we have a bit more reasonable look at one reason electricity prices are rising? Less regulation of the free market, just what the capitalists claim they want, you know that whole "competition thing", well except for the small matter that less regulation almost always means the big boys wipe out their smaller competitors and then they get to control the market.

So tell us, why should new power plants be built when a company can increase their profit margins by simply charging more for a product even when their costs are stable or dropping. "Oh but that commie in the White House is going to stop the mining of coal and that will make natural gas prices go up - even though extraction costs of gas have gone down - and besides there are other countries that will pay us more than we can get in the US market. As a side note, why do you think a Canadian company wants to build a pipeline to Texas?

For quite a bit more discussion of costs for power generation, read James Conca at Forbes.com
 
Somerville said:
Irrational hatred of the President seldom allows rational responses.
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How about a rational contempt for his policies? Obama's major problem seems to be an inability to sell his irrational Chicken Little responses to miniscule problems which could be more effectively addressed without the police state he is pushing.
 
Now you know why this President is responsible for the slowest recovery from a recession in American history......

He could care LESS about jobs.

It's all about his agenda.
 
Wayno said:
Now you know why this President is responsible for the slowest recovery from a recession in American history......

He could care LESS about jobs.

It's all about his agenda.
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This thread hangs around like a hemmhroid. It's been proven that no New Obamy regs are involved and the 3,900 jobs lost never existed anywhere but on some paper proposal. End of story. The power plant proposal was killed by GWShiiteForBrains era regulations. Ain't that surprising?
 

Where's Jindal when ya need him?
 
Wayno said:
Now you know why this President is responsible for the slowest recovery from a recession in American history......

He could care LESS about jobs.

It's all about his agenda.
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Diogenes said:
How about a rational contempt for his policies? Obama's major problem seems to be an inability to sell his irrational Chicken Little responses to miniscule problems which could be more effectively addressed without the police state he is pushing.
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and the Republican minority in the Senate has nothing to do with the problem? :roll:

The history of the filibuster, in one graph

You don't have to like the source, just look at the numbers, you don't like the numbers - then you need to provide different ones.

We just witnessed a failure of leadership on the part of Harry Reid (D-NV) in his negotiations over changing the rules governing Senate filibusters and Mitch McConnell gloating over how he played Harry.

The result is no major change in Senate rules and the Republicans can continue to obstruct everything in the Senate, all the while - as shown here - they complain about the President's 'failures".

Funny that - they call him a dictator yet at the same time say he gets nothing done. Haven't they ever heard of cognitive dissonance or the Orwellian meme? - "We've always been at war with Eastasia"
 
Grim17 said:
Now I understand why Obama didn't mention jobs in his speech the other day.




Obama EPA kills power plant, 3,900 jobs in Texas | WashingtonExaminer.com
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I don't know if this is normal to use the Washington Examiner as source for 'Breaking News', and I don't want to start off by just attacking the source, but in this case, I think we must consider the source and the obvious bias tone of the headline.

Background on Washington Examiner.


Then when you go the story linked in the "source", you find out:



So, an activists group filed a suit and a judge took another look at the permit.

I did some google searching and found a story that confirms that:


In fairness, there are two sides to every story, but the claims about hostile EPA actions don't seem to hold water. The Clean Air Act has been on the books since 1970, amended in 1990.

The legal authority for federal programs regarding air pollution control is based on the 1990 Clean Air Act Amendments (1990 CAAA).
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I'm going to speculate now and guess that under Bush/Cheney energy policy, these permits were easier to come by.

The OP is really misleading because the plant was issued permits in 2011, but it was this state level group, and a district judge revoked the permit due to "significant legal errors".

IMO - the OP is twisting the story, leaving out information to attack the EPA and President Obama.

It seems like these days there's two types of stories regarding federal regulatory agencies, 1) when they fail to enforce federal law (Deep Water Horizon, tainted food) 2) When they enforce federal law and someone is not happy about it. In the case of this specific story, it was a state level court case that got the permit revoked, so blaming the EPA is just dishonest.
 

Hint: people moving to other sources of power because they are cheaper is not some government plot.
 

Well, get ready and hold of the top of your skull because here is some info that is going to blow your mind:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-r8vhaJAS9...1600/Screen+shot+2012-05-04+at+8.15.06+AM.png

Further NG plants generally run more efficient (more electricity per unit of energy in the feed stock). So it is even worse for coal than shown in the above graph, which is only in straight energy vs price.

So that Fox article is pure Obama-hating fantasy.
 
Somerville said:
and the Republican minority in the Senate has nothing to do with the problem? :roll:
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The Republican minority in the Senate is keeping the problem from getting worse, but we will need the White House and a majority in the Senate before we can begin to make any serious progress against the disaster that Obama-Reid-Pelosi hath wrought.
 
Redress said:
Hint: people moving to other sources of power because they are cheaper is not some government plot.
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But people moving to more expensive sources of power because of a government mandate is a government plot.
 
Diogenes said:
But people moving to more expensive sources of power because of a government mandate is a government plot.
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That is not the problem.
 
Redress said:
That is not the problem.
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Sure it is. Think mandates for ethanol (especially the non-existent cellosic ethanol), solar, wind, and other greenie fantasies.
 
I don't understand how they do it. They complain about the President's inability to pass even his "irrational Chicken Little responses to miniscule problems " while simultaneously holding to the belief that the man is a dictator along the lines of Mao and Hitler, which is just sort of incongruous but then when I point out that the GOP in the Senate is deliberately obstructing the Democrats and their efforts to do something about the nation's problems - "eh, so what"

Rather obviously when you are as wrong as the modern day GOP in all aspects of modern politics, the only solution is to deny absolutely everything they themselves say on any one day because they have time and again shown the world that rationality and reality don't count when they are the minority.


and here one of the True Believers provides a fine illustration of what I am saying.
First - the President can't get anything done, he's incompetent
Second - the True Americans are doing their job by blocking everything the President is trying to do
therefore - Obama is a dictator

Diogenes said:
The Republican minority in the Senate is keeping the problem from getting worse, but we will need the White House and a majority in the Senate before we can begin to make any serious progress against the disaster that Obama-Reid-Pelosi hath wrought.
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