PogueMoran
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"Take this bill, or shove it"
-The Obama
How much kool-aid you have to drink before you no longer see that there is absolutely NO desire for bi-partisanship from The Obama, the Dems or the left, and stop wondering why, exactly, that is?
What was there to talk about? The House oversight committee did a study that showed we spent 8 million dollars to find 8 illegal immigrants that abused medicaid. There's not secret brotherhood of illegal immigrants conspiring to steal health care funds. Most illegals try to keep a low profile. As for seniors who is saying we spend too much on seniors? Do you have numbers on how much money illegals take in health care?
So you agree that The REAL reason this hasn't gone up for a vote doesnt have anything to do with The Obama's desire for bi-partisanship GOP support, as such a desire in demonstrably non-existent.
So, what is it then?
Wow, are you really comparing illegals to a group of people that have practically spent their entire lives pumping money into health care?
Because this is not the Bush Administration and Obama's administration encourages bipartisanship. I know - hard to comprehend.
Yes. That's right.A public option is NON-DEBATABLE according to the right. It can't even be discussed. Still.
What you fail to grasp is that there cannot be compromise on the issue of the public option.So in other words give the GOP what they want regardless of who is president or who controls congress. The GOP being the minority should be trying to work towards a compromise not asking for everything they want or taking their toys off the playground.
Yes. That's right.
If it is in there, the GOP won't support it.
And so, if The Obama wants bi-partisan support, he must remove it.
His call.
As "Bi-partisan" means " having support from both sides", the fact that the Dems will not offer a bill that the GOP can support means the Dems are not trying to be bi-partisan.Just because bipartisanship to you and the GOP means acquiescence doesn't mean they're not trying to be bipartisan.
A public option is NON-DEBATABLE according to the right. It can't even be discussed. Still. Because...it's fascism or socialism or whatever your word of the day is. So they block it. THank you for all your hard work.
Would Obama be a saint to you folks if he never proposed anything and just attented events and waved a lot?
That's the message we're getting here, yes.You keep forgetting.
"Bipartisanship" means supporting the Democrats' agenda regardless of your objections to it. Otherwise, you're an "obstructionist."
could you translate please?Obama Criticizes Republicans for Blocking Health Care Bill - Political News - FOXNews.com
WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama said he is confident Congress will pass "a good health care bill," as months of rancor over reforming the nation's health care system seemed to be easing Sunday, with the White House playing down an immediate role for a government insurance option.
At the same time, Obama was critical of Republican opponents who he said were trying to block an overhaul of the nation's heath care system for political gain.
"I believe that we will have enough votes to pass not just any health care bill, but a good health care bill that helps the American people, reduces costs, actually over the long-term controls our deficit. I'm confident that we've got that," Obama said in an interview broadcast Sunday on CBS' "60 Minutes. "There are those in the Republican party who think the best thing to do is just to kill reform. That that will be good politics."
Hmmm someone in the White House needs to inform Mr. Obama it's just not some folks in the Republican party who want this thing to be killed off. The last time I looked allot of "AMERICANS" from all sides of the Political Spectrum want this thing to be killed off. but hey typical Demogod attacks blame it on the Republicans and if that doesn't work then go after the So-Called Right Wing Folks never mind the actually truth out there. Once again Mr. Obama is lieing threw his Teeth and he knows it.
The goal of a majority of Liberal Democrats is indeed a Government Managed Universal Healthcare; this is not lost on Blue Dog Dems or the Republicans and attempts by the Obama Administration to obfuscate this fact with their lies and distortions doesn't change this.
could you translate please?
right wingers are republicans, aren't they? and have we heard that republicans would like healthcare to be obama's waterloo?
seems pretty crazy that you are against lowering health care costs and controlling the deficit.
here's what i think: the republicans and talking heads encouraging the town hall screamers are attempting to kill ALL reform. the town hall screamers are mostly dupes who don't really understand what they are screaming about and odds are they would reconsider if a republican offered the same reform.Yes. Granted, not directly through votes because the Democrats can pass it without them for the most part. But through trying to get voters to rise up and become against it. That said, that's a rather narrow summarized question from Scorp's post. I don't have issue with Obama saying republicans are trying to block THE health care bill. However, I have issue with this:
Note, to "kill reform", not kill THIS reform.
So I'll ask you. Do you think the President is highlighting a majority opinion held by Republicans, that they want to kill REFORM in general? Or do you think he's attempting to use an extreme minority in an attempt to make it appear to be the majority reason why people are opposed to this bill? Do you agree with his implication that the prime force of this is due to Republicans wanting to kill REFORM in general?
they need 60 to avoid a filibuster. ain't gonna happen.I thought the Dems had the majority. Don't bills pass on a simple majority vote?
oh, trust me, i think taxes will be raised.I find it odd that anyone can think that Government managed ANYTHING will cost less.
This plan will increase the deficit by trillions and we haven't even figured out how to pay for the $1.6 trillion deficit we already have.
The most amazing thing in this entire debate since Obama took office is that when Bush was in charge, Liberals and Democrats were outraged he ran up a deficit of $200 billion. They screeched about the need to RAISE taxes.
Today we see them rationalize that spending TRILLIONS we don't have makes perfect economic sense and that we need to spend TRILLIONS more without a single honest debate about the level of taxation it will take to pay for all this largess.
It is stunning to say the least. :doh
Government managed universal health care does not necessarily create better health outcomes, nor has it demonstrated the ability to reduce costs (which is in part population demographic dependent).
And yet, UHC is not being mentioned at all in this current debate among health care reform.
So i am going to ask anyone, whom is willing to have a serious discussion of course, how does a private option equate to government run universal health care?
Consider current coverage on medicare before answering, as this is integral to the debate (from an economic standpoint).
here's what i think: the republicans and talking heads encouraging the town hall screamers are attempting to kill ALL reform. the town hall screamers are mostly dupes who don't really understand what they are screaming about and odds are they would reconsider if a republican offered the same reform.
they are extreme, true. but the squeaky wheel.
Its more than clear that The Obama and His minions will not accept a bill that does not have a public option.In support of my comments, here are the words of these Liberal Democrats themselves:
Its more than clear that The Obama and His minions will not accept a bill that does not have a public option.
The GOP will not accept a bill that DOES have a public option.
How are the Dems any less guilty of refusing to compromise than the GOP?
i don't balme you for buying into the bull****......it's knee deep and very pungent.This is false; they are trying to kill the quiet efforts of Liberals like Obama from introducing Government run healthcare plain and simple.
I am constantly amused how the Liberals want to claim that the ONLY way to reform our healthcare system is by burying the American taxpayer into trillions more debt and have it run by a Government that cannot balance its own budget or responsibly manage the programs it currently has.
:doh
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