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Heya Steel. :2wave:.....:naughty
Historians Weigh in on Obama's Comparison of ISIS Militants to Medieval Christian Crusaders.....
Meanwhile, historians have been quick to discourage a link between ISIS and the Crusaders, who fought to reclaim holy lands in the Middle East nearly 900 years ago.
“I don’t think the president knows very much about the crusades,” Thomas Madden, a historian at the University of St. Louis, told ABC News. “He seems to be casting them as an example of a distortion of Christianity and trying to compare that to what he sees as a distortion of Islam in the actions of ISIS,” Madden said. “The initial goal of the Crusades was to give back lands to Christians that been conquered, due to Muslim conquests.”
Thomas Asbridge, a historian at the University of London, said in a statement to ABC News, “It is true to say, that by modern standards, atrocities were committed by crusaders, as they were by their Muslim opponents, it is however, far less certain that, by medieval standards, crusading violence could be categorized as distinctly extreme in all instances.” Asbridge said he doesn’t have a problem with the president reminding the world that the Christian Church “advocated violence, and at times even encouraged its adherents to engage in warfare” but to suggest a causal link between ISIS and the distant medieval phenomenon of the Crusades is “grounded in the manipulation and misrepresentation of historical evidence.”.....snip~
https://gma.yahoo.com/historians-we...s-militants-medieval-christian-233947247.html
Asbridge said he doesn’t have a problem with the president reminding the world that the Christian Church “advocated violence, and at times even encouraged its adherents to engage in warfare” but to suggest a causal link between ISIS and the distant medieval phenomenon of the Crusades is “grounded in the manipulation and misrepresentation of historical evidence.”
Please substantiate that absolutely absurd opinion.
No where in ten years have I seen that even remotely suggested by anyone who would be even close to knowing.
I say it's another invention of Pretzel Logic inc.
A "secret study", huh? And how secret is it if you're quoting it on a internet forum?The U.S. invasion and occupation of Iraq has increased the number of terrorist groups worldwide and "made the overall terrorism problem worse," a U.S. intelligence official said in a secret study.
Hi MMC!!!
The bottom line is this, the U.S. government cannot be out fighting wars and claiming we are doing it in the name of God. Neither can the U.S. government go out and kill people because of their religious beliefs. That is dangerous. We need to focus our attention on what individuals and groups do that we find offensive, not religious ideology.
BTW, I didn't know that you fought in Vietnam. WOW!!!!!
. Obama Flashback: 'We're Leaving Behind a Sovereign, Stable and Self-Reliant Iraq' - BreitbartIt seems this news still hasn't reached some parts of the world
A "secret study", huh? And how secret is it if you're quoting it on a internet forum?
You can keep your plan.
Please substantiate that absolutely absurd opinion.
No where in ten years have I seen that even remotely suggested by anyone who would be even close to knowing.
I say it's another invention of Pretzel Logic inc.
Some people on this planet have always been and will always be out of touch with what has happened and what is going on right now.
That will have zero effect on reality. :roll:
Here's the quote that says it...
“is grounded in the manipulation and misrepresentation of historical evidence.”
"you can keep your plan...."
"affordable care..."
Obama IS grounded in the manipulation and misrepresentation of everything
At least ow we can be sure that if his lips are moving something is being manipulated and misrepresented.....like only 35 permanent jobs, I inherited this mess, it was a spontaneous demonstration, I killed Osama.........
Are you referring to Barrack Obama here? Do you feel he was out of touch when he made those remarks?Some people on this planet have always been and will always be out of touch with what has happened and what is going on right now. That will have zero effect on reality.
Some people on this planet have always been and will always be out of touch with what has happened and what is going on right now.
That will have zero effect on reality. :roll:
"Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch, running out of time, GOP.
So this 'classified secret study' is for American eyes only? And it was also a secret "National Intelligence Estimate"?The study was conducted secretly due to the classified information that was viewed in compiling it. But we all know you didn't read it because it just further evidence of the failure of US policy in the region, something that twists your nickers about your knees and you just can't stand it. It was a National Intelligence Estimate, but Canadians may not understand how those work in America.
Yes. If there had been no fear of terrorist activities prior to 2003, why in the hell had there been numerous U.N. resolutions to deal with Saddam? Why do we have transcripts of eloquent speeches from both Democrats and Republicans in Congress stressing the necessity of dealing with Saddam in the Congressional Record? Why did we maintain 13 years of sanctions and no-fly zones in the wake of Saddam's invasion of Kuwait and almost certain invasion of Saudi Arabia had we not intervened in Desert Storm/Desert Shield in 1990? And how much longer should we have kept those sanctions and no fly zones in place considering that they were greatly enriching Saddam who had every reason to continue them, but because he didn't use the Food for Oil monies to help the people, the sanctions were creating terrible hardships for them including an estimated 50,000 deaths, a great many of those children, suffering from malnutrition and lack of medical treatment.
And remember that 9/11 happened before the invasion of Iraq. Did Bush's invasion of Iraq cause that? Or any of dozens of terrorist acts committed on America or Americans long before the Bush administration? Here's a pretty good list that hits the major attacks but leaves out hundreds of less major incidents and does not include the hundreds of events that occurred against other than Americans: Terrorist Attacks in the U.S. or Against Americans
Who is to say that the invasion of Iraq created terrorists or terrorism or that it would not have escalated to this point had we not invaded first Afghanistan and then Iraq? That is as absurd as blaming Clinton for Timothy McVeigh's bombing at Oklahoma city.
But the fact remains that all terrorism is not committed by Muslims. But the vast majority of terrorist acts in the world today is done in the name of Islam/Allah/Mohammed under interpretations of the Qu'ran and Hadith that require all faithful Muslims to bring the whole world under the authority of Allah.
And if our President does not wake up to and acknowledge that, he becomes part of the problem.
Well, that is true and you are Right none of Our Top Brass should be spouting off like that unless on the Battlefield.(Then anything said will be said)
But we also cannot run from any Religion if it seeks to dominate and rule over All others.
Yeah Steel, I volunteered at 16 and my mother signed the papers and I was in like Flint.....I know, its the Rap music. Keeps me in my youth. :2razz:
Terrorism has existed since long before the United States ever existed, I haven't seen anybody suggest otherwise. What has been pointed out by many of us here, and documented in our own national intelligence estimates, as well as congressional inquiries,and not only did Obama not arrest the situation, policies he has implemented have exacerbated the problem. Neither party has been competent in the Middle East. But we can't ever get that addressed because far too many people prefer the occupation of finger pointing the opposing party and letting their own off the hook, so................until somebody who thinks like Ron Paul (on foreign policy generally and the ME specifically) has control of our foreign policy, then we can expect continued military interventions and other interferences that perpetuate the growing threat.reports coming out of the UN and independent reports from other countries is the FACT that terrorism, and radical Islamists took a sharp increase post Iraq invasion in 2003,
Terrorism has existed since long before the United States ever existed, I haven't seen anybody suggest otherwise. What has been pointed out by many of us here, and documented in our own national intelligence estimates, as well as congressional inquiries, reports coming out of the UN and independent reports from other countries is the FACT that terrorism, and radical Islamists took a sharp increase post Iraq invasion in 2003, and not only did Obama not arrest the situation, policies he has implemented have exacerbated the problem. Neither party has been competent in the Middle East. But we can't ever get that addressed because far too many people prefer the occupation of finger pointing the opposing party and letting their own off the hook, so................until somebody who thinks like Ron Paul (on foreign policy generally and the ME specifically) has control of our foreign policy, then we can expect continued military interventions and other interferences that perpetuate the growing threat.
Yes. If there had been no fear of terrorist activities prior to 2003, why in the hell had there been numerous U.N. resolutions to deal with Saddam? Why do we have transcripts of eloquent speeches from both Democrats and Republicans in Congress stressing the necessity of dealing with Saddam in the Congressional Record? Why did we maintain 13 years of sanctions and no-fly zones in the wake of Saddam's invasion of Kuwait and almost certain invasion of Saudi Arabia had we not intervened in Desert Storm/Desert Shield in 1990? And how much longer should we have kept those sanctions and no fly zones in place considering that they were greatly enriching Saddam who had every reason to continue them, but because he didn't use the Food for Oil monies to help the people, the sanctions were creating terrible hardships for them including an estimated 50,000 deaths, a great many of those children, suffering from malnutrition and lack of medical treatment.
And remember that 9/11 happened before the invasion of Iraq. Did Bush's invasion of Iraq cause that? Or any of dozens of terrorist acts committed on America or Americans long before the Bush administration? Here's a pretty good list that hits the major attacks but leaves out hundreds of less major incidents and does not include the hundreds of events that occurred against other than Americans: Terrorist Attacks in the U.S. or Against Americans
Who is to say that the invasion of Iraq created terrorists or terrorism or that it would not have escalated to this point had we not invaded first Afghanistan and then Iraq? That is as absurd as blaming Clinton for Timothy McVeigh's bombing at Oklahoma city.
But the fact remains that all terrorism is not committed by Muslims. But the vast majority of terrorist acts in the world today is done in the name of Islam/Allah/Mohammed under interpretations of the Qu'ran and Hadith that require all faithful Muslims to bring the whole world under the authority of Allah.
And if our President does not wake up to and acknowledge that, he becomes part of the problem.
When you figure that part out, on how terrorism has increased under BO and expanded and with more groups and AQ themselves growing in Strength fourfold,
Months before the invasion of Iraq, U.S. intelligence agencies predicted that it would be likely to spark violent sectarian divides and provide al-Qaeda with new opportunities in Iraq and Afghanistan, according to a report released yesterday by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.
Analysts' Warnings of Iraq Chaos Detailed
then you might have just caught up with current events.
. . .exactly what dumbya was warned would happen as a result of his 2003 military ejaculation. . .
Current events consist of right wingers bitching about Obama failing to clean up the aforementioned mess caused by his predecessor, and the failure of these same kooks to get their bodies to the ME to help clean up the mess.
Please substantiate that absolutely absurd opinion.
No where in ten years have I seen that even remotely suggested by anyone who would be even close to knowing.
I say it's another invention of Pretzel Logic inc.
Then there is BO telling the entire planet. AQ is on the run a mere former shadow of themselves.
Ansar al Sharia also grew and spread from Yemen to Libya. All under BO and his terms.
"Jesus Saves........Gretzky scores on rebound!"
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