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Obama: "Castro not an Ideologue"

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Obama was complimentary of Castro."I do see in him a big streak of pragmatism. In that sense, I don't think he is an ideologue," said the president.
He added that Castro is even a forward thinker.
"I do also think that Raul Castro recognizes the need for change. And part of the reason for the timing of these changes is his desire to help usher in those changes before he and his brothers are gone. Because I think he views himself as having the stature to move Cuban society in ways that a successor might not," said Obama.
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Obama eyes Cuba visit, says Castro not 'an ideologue' | Washington Examiner

I know I know, should have posted this under "on the lighter side" except the leader of the free world... made that statement, with a straight face.
 
David_N said:
This is politics. Believe it or not, Cuba has done some good things. (I don't support Cuba.)
The Cuban Economy - La EconomÃ*a Cubana | Cuba’s Achievements under the Presidency of Fidel Castro: The Top Ten
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I agree. I see from the link that Cuba has made socio-economical progresses from 1959-2015, and that is fine (most other countries have also made progresses) (I do not support Cuban communism).
Germany also made progresses from 1933 to 1940, e.g. the unemployment disappeared and many beautiful high ways were built. Italy made progresses in the years 1923-1935 (I do not support German National Socialism or Italian Fascism).
 
Gaudius said:
I agree. I see from the link that Cuba has made socio-economical progresses from 1959-2015, and that is fine (most other countries have also made progresses) (I do not support Cuban communism).
Germany also made progresses from 1933 to 1940, e.g. the unemployment disappeared and many beautiful high ways were built. Italy made progresses in the years 1923-1935 (I do not support German National Socialism or Italian Fascism).
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I don't disagree. :shrug:
(Well.. human rights.)
 
joG said:
That is, if true, a typical Obama fallacy. Though, it is often true, that the ideology is a facade that the dictator does not believe and certainly does not live by.

Nor do the Cubans it turns out:
https://youtu.be/fTTno8D-b2E
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If true, a fallacy? What? If what Obama says is true, he's wrong? Can you clarify?
 
Renae said:
Obama eyes Cuba visit, says Castro not 'an ideologue' | Washington Examiner

I know I know, should have posted this under "on the lighter side" except the leader of the free world... made that statement, with a straight face.
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Because I HATE out of context quotes: Pres. Obama clearly qualified the statement about Castro not being an ideologue. It wasn't a blanket statement in any way. I do think that the President was trying to diminish the horrific things that Castro did by focusing on a specific perspective of him that allows him too embrace Castro and overlook the horrors of the Castro regime so that he can claim "Re-establishment of relations with Cuba" as part of his legacy.
 
faithful_servant said:
Because I HATE out of context quotes: Pres. Obama clearly qualified the statement about Castro not being an ideologue. It wasn't a blanket statement in any way. I do think that the President was trying to diminish the horrific things that Castro did by focusing on a specific perspective of him that allows him too embrace Castro and overlook the horrors of the Castro regime so that he can claim "Re-establishment of relations with Cuba" as part of his legacy.
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https://cuba.yahoo.com/post/135177940953/obama-wants-to-meet-with-dissidents-in-cuba to the Yahoo it's sourced off of. It's just the comment, I'm mocking. Raul, not an Ideologue? That would be like calling ISIS a JV team or something, who would do tha.... oh wait.
 
Renae said:
https://cuba.yahoo.com/post/135177940953/obama-wants-to-meet-with-dissidents-in-cuba to the Yahoo it's sourced off of. It's just the comment, I'm mocking. Raul, not an Ideologue? That would be like calling ISIS a JV team or something, who would do tha.... oh wait.
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I fully believe that Castro almost defines the term, but the President clearly qualified his statement to place it in a specific context, while the OP tried to make it sound like a blanket statement. I also think that even within the pretty vague context that the President tried to frame the comment, he was dead wrong.
 
faithful_servant said:
Because I HATE out of context quotes: Pres. Obama clearly qualified the statement about Castro not being an ideologue. It wasn't a blanket statement in any way. I do think that the President was trying to diminish the horrific things that Castro did by focusing on a specific perspective of him that allows him too embrace Castro and overlook the horrors of the Castro regime so that he can claim "Re-establishment of relations with Cuba" as part of his legacy.
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Additionally, the conversation wasn't about Fidel...
 
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