Obama: Ban Parents from Having Children Counseled Not to be ‘LGBTQ+’

[WCH]

Obama: Ban Parents from Having Children Counseled Not to be


CNSNews.com) - President Barack Obama, through a statement posted Wednesday night on the White House website by adviser Valerie Jarrett, backed legislation that would ban parents from having their children counseled not to be what Jarrett called "LGBTQ+".

“As part of our dedication to protecting America’s youth, this Administration supports efforts to ban the use of conversion therapy for minors,” Jarrett said in the White House statement.

“Conversion therapy generally refers to any practices by mental health providers that seek to change an individual’s sexual orientation or gender identity,” said the statement. “Often, this practice is used on minors, who lack the legal authority to make their own medical and mental health decisions. We share your concern about its potentially devastating effects on the lives of transgender as well as gay, lesbian, bisexual, and queer youth.”


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[OrphanSlug]

Michele Bachmann is going to be pissed!

 

[WCH]

Michele Bachmann is going to be pissed!

Sounds to me like no matter what you think is good for your kid, the government knows better.

What if your child has some serious mental disorder and the 'identity' thing is just a facet of it? (i. e. multiple personalities disorder)

 

[Dragonfly]

#1) There's already been at least one rather large thread on this topic

#2) "Conversion Therapy" is very specific in what it's designed to do, and as such, it should be BANNED.

 

[Fletch]

#1) There's already been at least one rather large thread on this topic

#2) "Conversion Therapy" is very specific in what it's designed to do, and as such, it should be BANNED.

I see. What other sorts of therapy would you like to see criminalized by the state?

 

[OrphanSlug]

Sounds to me like no matter what you think is good for your kid, the government knows better.

What if your child has some serious mental disorder and the 'identity' thing is just a facet of it? (i. e. multiple personalities disorder)

No, I was just making a joke at Michele Backmann's expense.

 

[CMPancake]

Sounds to me like no matter what you think is good for your kid, the government knows better.

That's not what the White House said. What Obama and company stated was to get rid of torturing innocent children with abusive pseudo science.

What if your child has some serious mental disorder and the 'identity' thing is just a facet of it? (i. e. multiple personalities disorder)

Then take them to a mental health care professional. Taking them to Chad and Pastor George at Jesus Camp to shoot them up with volts of energy whenever they see gay couples kissing has been proven to be a detriment to the mental health of the majority of children forced into it.

 

[Fletch]

That's not what the White House said. What Obama and company stated was to get rid of torturing innocent children with abusive pseudo science.

Why is that his business? And what makes him an expert on what therapy I should use on my own children?

 

[WCH]

No, I was just making a joke at Michele Backmann's expense.

I know. She's not a good representative for many of us.

 

[WCH]

That's not what the White House said. What Obama and company stated was to get rid of torturing innocent children with abusive pseudo science.



Then take them to a mental health care professional. Taking them to Chad and Pastor George at Jesus Camp to shoot them up with volts of energy whenever they see gay couples kissing has been proven to be a detriment to the mental health of the majority of children forced into it.

In their opinion. It's not the State's job to tell people how to raise their own children.

Something makes me think this is or will be written into ObamaCare.

 

[freeRadical]

In their opinion. It's not the State's job to tell people how to raise their own children.

Something makes me think this is or will be written into ObamaCare.

But it is the State's job to protect the children from physical and mental abuse. I think people forget that children have rights too, they aren't property.

 

[WCH]

But it is the State's job to protect the children from physical and mental abuse. I think people forget that children have rights too, they aren't property.

Wrong.

As minors by law children do not have autonomy or the right to make decisions on their own for themselves in any known jurisdiction of the world. Instead their adult caregivers, including parents, social workers, teachers, youth workers, and others, are vested with that authority, depending on the circumstances.

Children's rights - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[OrphanSlug]

I know. She's not a good representative for many of us.

For the purpose of the subject though, and in all seriousness...

There is merit to the concern from both sides of the fence. As a parent I can see the desire to want to have the overriding authority to decide what is best for my child, but from the flip side also has legitimate concerns over the long term impacts of "conversion therapy." From my point of view that leans Libertarian I can see the concern with government overreach.

Our question is the merit of these studies that suggest conversion therapy has enough potential for harm that the American Psychiatric Association (APA) issued a statement opposing conversion therapy. Further, they backed that up in the The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) outlining the idea that as a general principle a therapist should not determine the goal of such treatment. The core idea behind the statement and DSM change was the invalid assumption that homosexuality (as an example) is a mental disorder. Since there is enough actual science to support that homosexuality is *not* a mental disorder, it would be improper for a therapist to suggest conversion therapy as a goal to turn someone homosexual into heterosexual. By effect we are saying that conversion therapy is pseudoscience (driven more by political goal than the mental health of the patient.)

I have no choice but to reject Obama's want to ban the practice but I also have to recognize that according to the actual science there is no merit to conversion therapy. Even if we document enough individual cases where it worked in conjunction with systems of belief (religion,) that does not justify the practice in empirical terms that drive these studies the APA looks at.

So I can reject Obama's plan here but also understand why he is doing it, by realizing that both sides of this debate are looking more to the political angle than the welfare of the patient in question. A social conservative screaming "government overreach" is really saying law that contradicts religious belief. A liberal that applauds Obama's plan is really applauding further government protections for a minority group. Either way, we sidestep the actual needed discussion on what the science of the matter tells us. If we really focused on that then the welfare of the patient would trump politics either way as we could subscribe to the science of the matter that conversion therapy is a APA, and DSM, rejected practice.

 

[Dragonfly]

It's not the State's job to tell people how to raise their own children.

And if the child is stricken with cancer and the parents refuse to treat it, but would rather just "pray away" the cancer you're fine with that?

What about parent s who might be into alternative things like blood letting?

Suppose some parents think their child would be better off dead?

Some might think putting burning cigarettes out on their child's legs will "cure" them of whatever ails them.

No matter how much you wish to think it is, "gay" isn't a disease.

 

[Somerville]

And if the child is stricken with cancer and the parents refuse to treat it, but would rather just "pray away" the cancer you're fine with that?

What about parent s who might be into alternative things like blood letting?

Suppose some parents think their child would be better off dead?

Some might think putting burning cigarettes out on their child's legs will "cure" them of whatever ails them.

No matter how much you wish to think it is, "gay" isn't a disease.

We could add the anti-vaxxers to the list.

The President's point is basically it should be seen as child-abuse if a parent or guardian inflicts a treatment or refuses treatment, when the objections of the parent or guardian are based on pseudo-science or religious beliefs and the result of those objections is harm to the child.

 

[Mason66]

Obama: Ban Parents from Having Children Counseled Not to be


CNSNews.com) - President Barack Obama, through a statement posted Wednesday night on the White House website by adviser Valerie Jarrett, backed legislation that would ban parents from having their children counseled not to be what Jarrett called "LGBTQ+".

“As part of our dedication to protecting America’s youth, this Administration supports efforts to ban the use of conversion therapy for minors,” Jarrett said in the White House statement.

“Conversion therapy generally refers to any practices by mental health providers that seek to change an individual’s sexual orientation or gender identity,” said the statement. “Often, this practice is used on minors, who lack the legal authority to make their own medical and mental health decisions. We share your concern about its potentially devastating effects on the lives of transgender as well as gay, lesbian, bisexual, and queer youth.”


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I know what LGBT is but what is the Q+?

 

[WCH]

And if the child is stricken with cancer and the parents refuse to treat it, but would rather just "pray away" the cancer you're fine with that?

What about parent s who might be into alternative things like blood letting?

Suppose some parents think their child would be better off dead?

Some might think putting burning cigarettes out on their child's legs will "cure" them of whatever ails them.

No matter how much you wish to think it is, "gay" isn't a disease.

Is that you Barry...broad bushing the crap out of everything you disagree with?

Address the possibility of the State controlling every facet of you life. Are you so incapable and weak that you feel that necessary?

 

[WCH]

I know what LGBT is but what is the Q+?

IIRC ...questioning More broad brushing

 

[Mason66]

IIRC ...questioning More broad brushing

So it doesn't stand for anything in particular?

 

[Mason66]

Is that you Barry...broad bushing the crap out of everything you disagree with?

Address the possibility of the State controlling every facet of you life. Are you so incapable and weak that you feel that necessary?

Maybe not weak, but lazy.

If the government makes all your decisions for you, you don't have to think anymore.

 

[WCH]

So it doesn't stand for anything in particular?

Living in doubt and a political party to keep you there.

 

[WCH]

Maybe not weak, but lazy.

If the government makes all your decisions for you, you don't have to think anymore.

Worse when some are not thinking now.

 

[Hicup]

That's not what the White House said. What Obama and company stated was to get rid of torturing innocent children with abusive pseudo science.

Hehehe.. I always love it when someone comes out and says something to this effect. You realize that this pseudo-science was also very much pseudo pre-, and post-1973, am right? So let me see if I got you straight (Pardon the pun), pre-1973 the APA was fake science, but post 1973 they are legit, BUT, reparative therapy is pseudo, but using ink blots and one small self selecting study to remove homosexuals from the DSM apparently NOT pseudo?

Yep, you folks crack me up.. So objective. LOL


Tim-

 

[Deuce]

Obama: Ban Parents from Having Children Counseled Not to be


CNSNews.com) - President Barack Obama, through a statement posted Wednesday night on the White House website by adviser Valerie Jarrett, backed legislation that would ban parents from having their children counseled not to be what Jarrett called "LGBTQ+".

“As part of our dedication to protecting America’s youth, this Administration supports efforts to ban the use of conversion therapy for minors,” Jarrett said in the White House statement.

“Conversion therapy generally refers to any practices by mental health providers that seek to change an individual’s sexual orientation or gender identity,” said the statement. “Often, this practice is used on minors, who lack the legal authority to make their own medical and mental health decisions. We share your concern about its potentially devastating effects on the lives of transgender as well as gay, lesbian, bisexual, and queer youth.”


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Describing that conversion therapy as being "counseled not to be LGBTQ" is like describing Boko Haram as "sometimes being unkind to women."

 

[Deuce]

I see. What other sorts of therapy would you like to see criminalized by the state?

Waterboarding.

Wrong.

As minors by law children do not have autonomy or the right to make decisions on their own for themselves in any known jurisdiction of the world. Instead their adult caregivers, including parents, social workers, teachers, youth workers, and others, are vested with that authority, depending on the circumstances.

Children's rights - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You are not vested with the authority to abuse children, no.

In their opinion. It's not the State's job to tell people how to raise their own children.

Something makes me think this is or will be written into ObamaCare.

It is absolutely the state's job to stop you from abusing your children.