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Here's more on your, 'more government than manufacturing', rightwing talking point.If it is by the election, can Obama count on your vote?
Not with a debt more than GDP, I don't support any policy that has more people working for the govt. than working in the manufacturing private sector. The massive growth in the govt. is unsustainable and not worthy of my vote.
Thus, for me, it's about what has been done in the wake of the economic collapse to bring the economy back around. IMHO, Pres. Obama has made some end-roads towards improving the economy. Of course, there are those who based their decision moreso on "promises kept" over "progress made". Using that logic, most former Presidents should have been re-elected to a second term. But if people really want to play that "Promises Kept/Promises Broken" game, I encourage you to review the ObamaMeter at PolitiFact.org and then read this article from CBSNews dated Sept 2, 2007 and then make a real, honest assessment of which of the last two Presidents has kept his word more.
Here's more on your, 'more government than manufacturing', rightwing talking point.
BLS.gov: Government jobs:
Jan 2001: 20,835,000
Jan 2009: 22,582,000
Mar 2011: 22,166,000
BLS.gov: Manufacturing jobs:
Jan 2001: 17,114,000
Jan 2009: 12,559,000
Mar 2011: 11,667,000
Under Bush, government jobs increased 8%; under Obama, government jobs decreased 2%.
Under Bush, manufacturing jobs decreased 27%; under Obama, manufacturing jobs decreased 7%.
So can Obama count on your vote now??
What are you talking about? Government jobs are down 2% under Obama.I am sure the u-6 unemployed are extremely happy to know that Obama saved all those jobs but wonder why it wasn't theirs they saved instead of govt. jobs?
What are you talking about? Government jobs are down 2% under Obama.
BLS.gov: Government Jobs.
You would be more rational if you would just be more honest ... that is, despite your whining about government jobs growing, the fact is, you voted for the man who saw government jobs increase on his watch and you're refusing to vote for the man who saw government jobs decrease on his.
How about responding to my statement, is that your vision for this country, the nanny state and the redistribution of wealth along with creating a socialist utopia?
Umm...no. I'm in big favor of a capitalist economy and a government makes sure that the members of such an economy don't threaten the physical and financial security of the American population. It's really not that extreme.
'twas expected.
Can't say I'm surprised.
He does not have my support, unless the republican candidate is unbelievably vile, I'll be choosing the best of the worst this election season, can't wait.
Gonna be exciting.
You are kidding, right, what is honest about the following "In the Works" as they all can be added to the promises broken. Further the important promises all have been broken including job creation and economic growth along with debt reduction.
Objective Voice said:Bottom Line: the economy, personal character and leadership will be the driving forces for the 2012 Presidential election.
Thus, for me, it's about what has been done in the wake of the economic collapse to bring the economy back around. IMHO, Pres. Obama has made some end-roads towards improving the economy. Of course, there are those who based their decision moreso on "promises kept" over "progress made". Using that logic, most former Presidents should have been re-elected to a second term. But if people really want to play that "Promises Kept/Promises Broken" game, I encourage you to review the ObamaMeter at PolitiFact.org and then read this article from CBSNews dated Sept 2, 2007 and then make a real, honest assessment of which of the last two Presidents has kept his word more.
Bottom Line: the economy, personal character and leadership will be the driving forces for the 2012 Presidential election
What you believe and what is real are two entirely different things.Nope, I don't believe in the Obama economic policy and growth of the nanny state. I don't believe it is the role of the govt. to provide personal responsibility issues to the people and pay for it by charging someone else. This country wasn't built upon the principles of Obama but it is obvious that you need the nanny state
Hence, the reason I included the following to my post (which you quoted before the edit was made):
BTW: Reposting that sparce list of promises "in the works" really doesn't do your side much good. It merely shows he's trying to accomplish those things but is either being held up by Congress or not enough time has gone by to determine whether or not he has kept his word, i.e., "No. 441: Reduce oil consumption by 35% by 2030"...how can this be measured until 2030 gets here?
Or "No 522: Bring Dems and Reps together to pass an agenda"...kinda hard to do in the other side is hell bent on continuing hateful, dishonest rhetoric. For his part, I'd say President Obama has been far more civil and has reached out to both Dems and Reps in trying to reach bipartisan agreements on a host of measures from health care reform (his presidential town hall meeting...of course, he kinda killed it when he told Sen. McCain, "We're not in the primaries anymore, John. You lost." That was great!, but his comment certainly didn't win him many brownie points."
What has Obama done that promotes the private sector and individual wealth creation?
What you believe and what is real are two entirely different things.
For example, while you complain about the percentage of debt of GDP being too high (a valid complaint) ... you supported the man who saw that increase 52% and refuse to support the man who saw it increase, amidst the Great Recession, just 9%.
While you complain about too many government jobs (a valid complaint) ... You supported the man who saw goverment jobs increase 8% and you refuse to support the man who saw goverment jobs decrease 2%.
While you complain about not enough manufacturing jobs (a valid complaint) ... You supported the man who saw manufacturing jobs decrease 27% and you refuse to support the man who saw manufacturing jobs decrease, amidst the Great Recession, just 7%
While you complain about unemployment being too high (a valid complaint) ... You supported the man who saw the unemployment rate skyrocket 86% and you refuse to support the man who saw the unemployment rate increase, amidst the Great Recession, just 13%
You're a bundle of confliction.
Small Business isn't hiring thus no incentive that works. Those so called promises kept haven't delivered on the job creation.
Oh. I forgot who I was arguing with for a second.
For one, to prevent the U.S. Supreme Court from becoming more Conservative.I am still waiting for you to give me a reason to vote for Obama for all you have done if this is your argument is to provide a reason that you won't be voting for Obama whose record is worse than Bush's. Comparing Obama's results today to 2009-2010 which are disasters doesn't boost your case.
C'mon, Conservative. You're being very disingenious here.My side? My side is on the side of free enteprise, capitalism, and getting away from the nanny state that we cannot afford. as for bringing the party together, "I won, you lost" statement of obama when he met with both sides on healthcare reform. He promised to incorporate some of the Republican ideas and didn't do it, passed it without one Republican vote. that isn't bringing both sides together. The same with the stimulus plan that he forced through Congress without proper debate or even time to read the bills. That isn't non partisanship.
Sheik Yerbuti;1059390457]For one, to prevent the U.S. Supreme Court from becoming more Conservative.
For creating and saving 3.5 million jobs during Bush's Great Recession.
For doing a better with job with unemployment than every Republican president since Hoover.
For pushing through policies which inspired the stock market to increase more than any other president during their first 2 years.
His ability to drive Conservatives crazy is also a caveat.
ill probably be voting mickey mouse again...unless there is a candidate that's not a corrupt politician. Oh wait, they all are...so...mickey mouse it is.
Small Business isn't hiring thus no incentive that works. Those so called promises kept haven't delivered on the job creation.
Objective Voice;1059390464]C'mon, Conservative. You're being very disingenious here.
If you read ANY of the Republican health reform bill proposals, you'd know that many of the Republican ideas were incorporated in the PPACA. For example, the health insurance exchanges, particularly retaining them at the state level AND given states the option to op-out provided what they established would be self-sustaining, was a Republican idea. It came from the Senate Select Committee's proposal. And we all know where the individual mandate came from - Republicans were for it before they were against it.
And as I've mentioned to you several times before, if States really wanted to do away with the so-called "nanny state", they'd toughen their welfare program requirements, couple job training and job placement with welfare benefits and place limits on how often and how long recipients could receive benefits. Instead, most states "allow" people to stay on welfare (in some cases) until the child reaches 18 yrs of age (or the mother remarries or gets a job that brings in more in income than she'd receive through welfare), or the fed (and the states) would do away with allowing folks to have part-time jobs while still collecting unemployment benefits. You know about these things. So I ask, when was the last time you petitioned your state or federal government to make the necessary changes even remotedly as outlined herein to the applicable laws? You can't complain about it if you've done NOTHING to force your state and federal representatives to change the law(s).
As to the rest of your drivel, I'll just ignore it because as usual you've just stooped to name calling and unsubstantiated partisan mud-slinging...acts I'd expect from a child than someone who claims to be a well-educated, mature professional. If you want to be taken seriously, you gotta come correct.
For creating and saving 3.5 million jobs during Bush's Great Recession.
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