Obama and Biden were the original DOGE!! Whooda thunk??? (2 Viewers)

[Michael Cole]

Obama supposedly put Joe in Charge of that, no need to wonder why it never happened. Maybe a few million redirected to Rosemont Seneca.

Maybe a billion directed at Musk.

Biden administration says Nevada lithium mine can proceed

The Interior Department announced May 16 it is taking steps to clarify mineral rights under the 1872 law to reflect the “realities of the 21st century.”

www.nnbw.com

I'll assume you can figure it out from here.

 

[anatta]

I used to watch his show but he got crankier and became more of a jerk, so I stopped watching. I have no issue with his critiques of either Democrats or Republicans, it's just he's become overly smug for my taste.

I like he's a liberal but damns progressives. where i uesd to be when I was still a Democrat pre-Libyan regime change (2011)

 

[anatta]

Brilliant. Yes, Bill, the DoE's job is to funnel money to states and provide loans to students. Solving problems, indeed, what those problems are, is controlled by local school districts under various state laws.

Taking away funding doesn't solve anything. Indiscriminately firing staff doesn't solve anything.

block grants can do all that without the DOE

Lol. Maher sounds like a complete rube. I love the excellent self-own in the final sentences. Ha!!!!

Maher saw a story. Cool. Appropriating funds before the next CEO comes in and kills them is a smart business move. I'm not sure what Maher's point is, but I wish him luck with the plastic brain.

The problem is Biden jut flushed out so much money without even looking to see if it was effective

 

[The Mark]

The President: Hi, everyone!



So we're putting an end to that, saving you millions of dollars each year. But that's just the tip of the iceberg. Everyone knows that getting rid of the deficit will require some tough decisions. And that includes cutting back on billions of dollars in programs that a lot of people care about. But what should be easy is getting rid of the pointless waste and stupid spending that doesn't benefit anybody.





Waste we should be getting rid of even if we didn't have a deficit. Apparently the government used to overnight containers filled with nothing. Don't ask why that is. Sure, some of these cuts aren't that big.





But no amount of waste is acceptable, not when it's your money, not at a time when so many Americans are already cutting back. Just as families are living within their means, government should, too, so we could invest in the things that we know will create good jobs and grow the economy. Things like education and technology.





Besides, after a while all these cuts add up. Did you know the Federal Government pays for a website devoted to a folk music ensemble made up of forest rangers? They're called the "Fiddling Foresters.





And, by the way, you're not only paying for websites no one needs, you're paying for thousands of buildings all across the country no one uses.





For the last decade the government has owned a massive and completely empty warehouse in the middle of Brooklyn, for example. Now, the government hadn't been able to sell this building and others like it because of red tape and Washington politics that held things up for years.





We need to go after every dime. We need to make government work for you. That's why, starting today, I've asked the Vice President to lead a renewed effort to hunt down misspent tax dollars in every agency and department of this government.





We're calling it "The Campaign To Cut Waste" and I know Joe is the right man to lead it because nobody messes with Joe! The Vice President: There's a new standard by which the government is going to function from this point on. The American people are entitled to transparency. By that I mean they're entitled to be able to figure out where their dollars are going and they're entitled to accountability to make sure that we're using the dollars for what we said it was for.

03:20

That's our job. And we take that job very seriously. Look, a lot of this depends on new, sophisticated methods, but it also, it also, we know, depends on relentless focus on making this a priority. A focus that can't be delegated. We're holding ourselves accountable and we're deeply committed and focused on making government function better.

03:44

We're not just eliminating fraud and waste. We hope to be instilling an entire new culture with not only our Administration, but every succeeding administration will in fact pursue. We're going to give you the government you expect and deserve. So I want to thank you all. And we're ready to get to work!


The final result? All show and no action because that was what Obama and Biden always were. Now that Trump is doing the work they promised to do and didn't, people are going ballistic and burning down Tesla dealerships for no known reason.

The problem is that much of what has been attempted or successfully removed thus far is stuff people needed or liked.

 

[Paradoxical]

They’ve inflated the value of hundreds, perhaps thousands of canceled contracts and other funds. You are being robbed blind.

LOL. Good schtick

Citizens oversight IS government.

And I’m all for term limits - but you’re going to have to amend the Constitution. Good luck

they are government employees

 

[Paradoxical]

There have been more than one occurrence of Doge calling and telling the people to come back to work.

And the best part to me is the demand that remote workers return to the office and then announcing they are canceling the leases for the offices. I love that for them.

Good for you.

 

[Michael Cole]

block grants can do all that without the DOE

Cool. Or Musk could write a check. Or we could just keep doing what we're doing. There's no trick to distributing funds. It's a competitive process, generally, which it shouldn't be regarding education.

The problem is Biden jut flushed out so much money without even looking to see if it was effective

I see no problem. Except for Bill's neuroplastic. Neuroplasticity. There you go.

Know who else has neuroplasticity? Trump. Tariffs today, EV's tomorrow. Wait...tariffs tomorrow...EV's today. Yep. That's it.

 

[Paradoxical]

The problem is that much of what has been attempted or successfully removed thus far is stuff people needed or liked.

What we need is extremely limited government.

 

[BirdinHand]

they are government employees

You can’t create term limits without changing the Constitution. Pass an Amendment. I’m all for it.

 

[The Mark]

What we need is extremely limited government.

No, what we need is a government that serves the people.

And that means limited in some areas, less so in others, depending on the specific use case.

Edit: For example, IMO the government should be specifically limited such that it cannot make things illegal except under relatively narrow definitions.
This intended to prevent broad blanket bans on things, without consideration of nuanced reasons for the use of those things.

 

[SavannahMann]

block grants can do all that without the DOE

The problem is Biden jut flushed out so much money without even looking to see if it was effective

Why is it the Federal Governments job to pay to educate children in the States? There is no Constitutional obligation or authority to do so. When the DOE is shut down we must end all funding for education from the Federal Budget. The States have too long suckled at the Federal Teats.

Educating kids is a problem for those states, and counties, not the feds.

 

[Paradoxical]

No, what we need is a government that serves the people.

And that means limited in some areas, less so in others, depending on the specific use case.

Edit: For example, IMO the government should be specifically limited such that it cannot make things illegal except under relatively narrow definitions.
This intended to prevent broad blanket bans on things, without consideration of nuanced reasons for the use of those things.

Drugs? Theft? Not working when you are able?

 

[anatta]

Why is it the Federal Governments job to pay to educate children in the States? There is no Constitutional obligation or authority to do so. When the DOE is shut down we must end all funding for education from the Federal Budget. The States have too long suckled at the Federal Teats.

Educating kids is a problem for those states, and counties, not the feds.

stuff like meal supports, and expensive program for disabled slow learners is OK.
But i agree with you

 

[Paradoxical]

Why is it the Federal Governments job to pay to educate children in the States? There is no Constitutional obligation or authority to do so. When the DOE is shut down we must end all funding for education from the Federal Budget. The States have too long suckled at the Federal Teats.

Educating kids is a problem for those states, and counties, not the feds.

There are some states that are poor but I agree in principle as that would make people move

 

[Helix]

Horseshit.

 

[Paradoxical]

Horseshit.

To what?

 

[Helix]

To what?

All of your posts.

 

[Michael Cole]

Why is it the Federal Governments job to pay to educate children in the States? There is no Constitutional obligation or authority to do so. When the DOE is shut down we must end all funding for education from the Federal Budget. The States have too long suckled at the Federal Teats.

Educating kids is a problem for those states, and counties, not the feds.

States fund the vast majority of education.

NV Senate votes to pass SB 503, creating $2 billion in additional funding for public schools

The bill passed by a vote of 13-8 and will now head to the Nevada Assembly for a possible vote.

www.2news.com

The federal component was about 15% in 2022. Could be less now with the new budget. Lombardo wants to give teachers raises this session.

Gov. Lombardo includes permanent teacher raises, open zoning as part of education proposal

Nevada Governor Joe Lombardo laid out several priorities for 2025 during his State of the State address Wednesday night.Among the top of his agenda was educatio

news3lv.com

This state, at least, is trying to pay its own way.

The state opposes DOGE.

U.S. Department of Education faces workforce cuts amid legal challenges

RENO, NEV.— The U.S. Department of Education announced a nearly 50% reduction in its workforce following budget cuts implemented by the Trump administration on

mynews4.com

The small percentage of funding from the feds is directed at underserved communities and disabled students. It also provides college loans. I'd have no issue reorganizing the college loan program, but funding poor and disabled kids causes no harm.

 

[Paradoxical]

All of your posts.

Gotcha. Thanks. Good to know.

 

[The Mark]

Drugs? Theft? Not working when you are able?

I think there should be a basic subsistence support net for people who cannot or will not work. More for those who can't. The incentive to work and/or contribute to society should be improving their situation, but it shouldn't be survival.

I'm fairly sure theft is illegal, but I suspect that a safety net that ensures you can live regardless would mean less incentive for theft, unless the definition of "live" is badly defined and doesn't actually provide that.
But, if someone still steals for one reason or another, I think a case-by-case examination, taking into account the context of their act, is in order. And then punishment depending.

By Drugs I assume you mean various addictive ones, or ones that are currently illegal or restricted.
I can't say I have much personal experience with that, either using or interacting with someone who is/has, but in general I view drug usage as a medical/health issue - something to be treated and controlled, rather than punished.

However, knowingly selling a substance that you know will harm someone is another matter, and I think deserving of more consequences. Assuming you had a choice in the matter, coercion is definitely a possible factor.

 

[Paradoxical]

They’ve inflated the value of hundreds, perhaps thousands of canceled contracts and other funds. You are being robbed blind.

LOL. Good schtick

 

[Paradoxical]

I think there should be a basic subsistence support net for people who cannot or will not work. More for those who can't. The incentive to work and/or contribute to society should be improving their situation, but it shouldn't be survival.

I'm fairly sure theft is illegal, but I suspect that a safety net that ensures you can live regardless would mean less incentive for theft, unless the definition of "live" is badly defined and doesn't actually provide that.
But, if someone still steals for one reason or another, I think a case-by-case examination, taking into account the context of their act, is in order. And then punishment depending.

By Drugs I assume you mean various addictive ones, or ones that are currently illegal or restricted.
I can't say I have much personal experience with that, either using or interacting with someone who is/has, but in general I view drug usage as a medical/health issue - something to be treated and controlled, rather than punished.

However, knowingly selling a substance that you know will harm someone is another matter, and I think deserving of more consequences. Assuming you had a choice in the matter, coercion is definitely a possible factor.

How would your system require anyone to work then? I could just say I don't feel like it. Do you have a belief that lots of people would work and where would the money come from to give money to those who choose not to work? From the few who do work?

Drug use is a personal choice and leads to homelessness and crime to obtain the drugs that addicted people crave. Under your system where would the money come from to put people in drug rehab and how would get people there who refuse to go? Would you let them stay on the streets zoned out on heroin?

 

[The Mark]

How would your system require anyone to work then? I could just say I don't feel like it. Do you have a belief that lots of people would work and where would the money come from to give money to those who choose not to work? From the few who do work?

Drug use is a personal choice and leads to homelessness and crime to obtain the drugs that addicted people crave. Under your system where would the money come from to put people in drug rehab and how would get people there who refuse to go? Would you let them stay on the streets zoned out on heroin?

I actually do believe that most people would find something to do, if they had a stable base to start from. It might make it less likely for people to take jobs that have terrible working conditions or pay, but that's good IMO.

Drug usage is only a choice up to the point where addiction becomes too strong to resist. The specific point that happens depends on the person and drug.

And I think we should provide free housing if necessary to prevent homelessness. It is, I am fairly sure, the cheaper option.

 

[Paradoxical]

I actually do believe that most people would find something to do, if they had a stable base to start from. It might make it less likely for people to take jobs that have terrible working conditions or pay, but that's good IMO.

Drug usage is only a choice up to the point where addiction becomes too strong to resist. The specific point that happens depends on the person and drug.

And I think we should provide free housing if necessary to prevent homelessness. It is, I am fairly sure, the cheaper option.

Where does the money for all this come from since people can choose not to work. Free housing, a guaranteed income. Why work?

If a lion in the jungle had a steady supply of food, he would not hunt. People don't work at digging ditches, picking crops, auto mechanics, roofing, etc because they want to or like it. Your ideal world is simply not workable.

 

[The Mark]

Where does the money for all this come from since people can choose not to work. Free housing, a guaranteed income. Why work?

If a lion in the jungle had a steady supply of food, he would not hunt. People don't work at digging ditches, picking crops, auto mechanics, roofing, etc because they want to or like it. Your ideal world is simply not workable.

It's probably in part my perspective - I think if I didn't have to work to survive I would still want to do things, and not just entertain myself.
I really do not think that if everyone could just live without working, all of them would. Not even most.