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Obama administration: Toss wiretap lawsuit

This is BS....and another letdown by Obama....proving once again that those of us on the left were absolutely right that Obama is nothing more than a left-leaning moderate. There are somethings that Obama has done that I agree with, there are others that I vehemently disagree with. This is one of them.

The government should be required to get a warrant before engaging in spying on citizens of this country....period. We require that of the police, why should we not require it of the government?

I don't even think that getting a warrant after the fact is good enough....but Bush/Obama apparently don't believe the Constitution requires that.

The Constitution requires due process and accountability....and we as citizens should demand that of our government.
 

That mentality let the 9/11 suspects slip by law enforcement and kill thousands.

You ARE right, the government needs to be measured in what it does. However, you are stuck on the myth they are spying on innocent people.

If you REALLY are on this "constitution" kick, where stand you on Obama's Czars and the powers they have? I dont' recall any of that in the Constitution. How about where do they get the power to set pay, own and run private industry, negate legal contracts retroactively and the like...

Obama's not a moderate, he's to the left of Hillary, open your eyes.
 

HELLO....Hilary is no liberal either. Just because people want to slap a label on either of them, doesn't make it true. Compare their stands on most of the major issues and you will see that neither is a true liberal.

As far as the Czars.....this isn't new. President's have had them for decades. They are advisors and have no power.


Spying is spying and due process is due process. Do you honestly believe that no innocent people were spied on or are being spied on? Seriously.
 

Welcome to how we felt about Bush.
 
MrVicchio said:
That mentality let the 9/11 suspects slip by law enforcement and kill thousands.
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OMG you're right....the terrorists are coming! Please government, do whatever you want! Save me save me save me!


This is a really good point though. I think the government has long been assuming powers it was never given, Obama isn't stopping that either. But you have to wonder exactly how much interference and control the President is supposed to have over the private sector. There is some, we can go after monopoly and such (though that's usually handled through the judicial branch). But looking at exactly what the government is taking over and mandating...it's getting ominous and I think we really have to start saying no. There were proper regulations to put in which could help prevent another collapse we just had; but too much government is almost always a bad thing.
 
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disneydude said:
I felt pretty much the same way, except with Bush it was a given. With Obama it is a let-down.
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The "given" was Obama following the exact same Bush policies.
 
Who says no one gets spied on even with warrants?
 
disneydude said:
In some areas....yes. In some areas, I'm glad to see a complete shift in policy...in other areas, I expected more.
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You see no shifts abroad. You may see Obama is too cowardly to waterboard, but, that's the only change you see. Unless you've another to highlight.
 
Charles Martel said:
You see no shifts abroad. You may see Obama is too cowardly to waterboard, but, that's the only change you see. Unless you've another to highlight.
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Too cowardly to waterboard? It was the Bush/Cheney position on torture that morally bankrupted our country with our allies.
 

No it hasn't. And it is not fake either. I am still enraged. Bush might be gone, but what is in his place is just as bad.
 
disneydude said:
Too cowardly to waterboard? It was the Bush/Cheney position on torture that morally bankrupted our country with our allies.
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Our allies never did any such thing did they? Which of our allies have unblemished histories?
 
disneydude said:
Too cowardly to waterboard? It was the Bush/Cheney position on torture that morally bankrupted our country with our allies.
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One, waterboarding isn't torture. Two, it was approved by Congress. Three, which allies?
 
disneydude said:
If there is a basis to get a warrant, due process has been satisfied.
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This has historical precedence...or have Presidents during war never concerned themselves with "basis"?
 

Once more, that is not what this program is about. But thank you for at least being consistently wrong.

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WillRockwell said:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/17/us/17nsa.html


Countdown with Keith Olbermann Countdown with Keith Olbermann
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Let me get this straight.

You claimed this:

It was proven that the NSA has gathered and stored every email written by every American. Is that spying?
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And in support, you provided links to claims by an individual who was diagnosed as suffering from psychotic paranoia. Nice.

And before you claim that this was some sort of cover-up, you should note that all of this happened before he started leaking things to the NYT:


[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russ_Tice]Russ Tice - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

That's your source.

Furthermore, even he doesn't go as far as your claim. I'm hoping you understand the difference between "some" and "all," as well as the difference between "examine" and "store."


Because the police are operating domestically, while this involves foreign affairs. One is entirely the province of Congress and the states, while the other implicates the President's Article II powers.

Congress and the courts have explicitly acknowledged that the Constitution allows the executive to engage in foreign surveillance without warrants. That's why we have the FISC. The TSP program is merely an extension of that principle, albeit the one that's gotten the most coverage.

I don't even think that getting a warrant after the fact is good enough....but Bush/Obama apparently don't believe the Constitution requires that.
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And Congress and the courts agree.
 
Disney went to law school, he should know.
 

What can one say to such a brilliant commentary but..... :applaud
 
American said:
I wonder if Obama will approve any "torture".
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If he does, you can bet your last dollar his minions and the media would do everything they can to keep it from the American public; OR, they will spin it as so imperative, and of course DIFFERENT from what Bush did, as being in the national interest.

After all, they are trying to use their majorities in the Congress to shove Government Healthcare down our throats regardless of the FACT that it will do NOTHING to improve our healthcare and bury the American taxpayer into trillions more in deficits which will have to be carried on the backs of the American taxpayer.

You just cannot fabricate the level of ignorance represented by this President and this Democrat run Congress; the lies, the distortions, the fabrications and the efforts to continue to demagogue and fear monger.
 
I doubt highly that Obama is so morally bankrupt that he would authorize engaging in waterboarding or other form of torture. If he did, that would pretty much seal it in my book. But Obama has come out strongly against these reprehensible tactics and rightfully so.
 
disneydude said:
I doubt highly that Obama is so morally bankrupt that he would authorize engaging in waterboarding or other form of torture.
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Why not, he's followed every other Bush foreign policy to the tee including and beyond those policies the Left wanted Bush impeached for.

If he did, that would pretty much seal it in my book. But Obama has come out strongly against these reprehensible tactics and rightfully so.
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He came out "strongly" against other policies deemed 'immoral' as well but he implemented those policies anyways and yet, it's not hurt him so, your statement here isn't convincing.
 

Obama's foreign policy has not been GWB's "to the tee". There are many things that Obama has done that I do not agree with, but to try to argue he is identical to GWB is ridiculous.
 
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