NYT: We Were Badly Misled About the Event That Changed Our Lives

[jaeger19]

Ahh. The ole "We have your posts" taunt. I wondered when you would be showing up again.

Fact is fact.

You really are an all or nothing individual, huh?

Says the guy who called me an “ authoritarian” for agreeing with the dod that vaccination helps keep our troops combat ready, as does physical training.

No anti-vaxxer here. I have likely take far more vaccine jabs then you have.

Again. You clearly aren’t against mandates in the military . Just VACCINE mandate.
Hmmm what are you against again???

Because one is necessary for the battlefield. The other is not.

Of course it is. Covid most definitely affects your health and your ability to fight and function. Come now silly.

Because without it, you cannot be a soldier.

Well no . You could be a soldier. Just not an effective one. Just like if you are sick with a 101fever and spewing lung mucus.

Well, if you did not have so much difficulty distinguishing between anti-vaccine and anti-mandate, I would think you had you have the clear headedness and mindset to be involved in the medical profession.

Ummm you aren’t anti mandate. You’ve already established that. You have no problem with mandating physical training
You do have a problem with mandating what? Vaccines.
So what are you against???
It ain’t mandates.

See medical professionals are taught to be objective critical thinkers.

Just the mandates that are unnecessary.

And we’ve already established that vaccination is important for health and function and that the ability to function at a moments notice is important for military readiness.
Certainly the DOD feels vaccination including COVID is necessary.

Why do you disagree with the DoD?

I am also against mandated health insurance. Though we have already had that discussion.

And you lost that one as well.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Fact is fact.

Vacant taunt is taunt, nothing more.

Again. You clearly aren’t against mandates in the military . Just VACCINE mandate.
Hmmm what are you against again???

Just the unnecessary and sometimes unconstitutional mandates

Of course it is. Covid most definitely affects your health and your ability to fight and function. Come now silly.

So do common colds. Ever heard of sick bay?

Well no . You could be a soldier.

It has been a bit over 50 years since I served in the military, however regular PT tests were required.

Ummm you aren’t anti mandate. You’ve already established that. You have no problem with mandating physical training
You do have a problem with mandating what? Vaccines.
So what are you against???
It ain’t mandates.

Unnecessary and sometimes unconstitutional mandates

See medical professionals are taught to be objective critical thinkers.

That leaves you out.

And you lost that one as well.

No, actually I won that one. The individual mandate part of the ACA was repealed. You lost.

 

[jaeger19]

Vacant taunt is taunt, nothing more.

Nope just facts

Just the unnecessary and sometimes unconstitutional mandates

Explain why it’s unnecessary when the DoD says it is.
Please explain hmhow you arrived at it being medically unnecessary.

So do common colds. Ever heard of sick bay?

yep. And when there is a vaccine for the “common cold “ they will mandate that for the military just as they have mandated influenza vaccines.

It has been a bit over 50 years since I served in the military, however regular PT tests were required.

Just as vaccines are now

Unnecessary and sometimes unconstitutional mandates

You are floundering.

That leaves you out.

Nah. Look . I am not the one that’s been trapped by their own logic.
You are clearly not against mandates so why are you against the vaccine mandate for military?
Be specific. It’s clearly necessary for combat readiness.
So???

No, actually I won that one. The individual mandate part of the ACA was repealed. You lost.

No you didn’t. Getting rid of the mandate ended up costing the American people more.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Nope just facts

Taunts.

Just as vaccines are now

False.

You are floundering.

False

You are clearly not against mandates so why are you against the vaccine mandate for military?

You are a laugh a minute. Lose your all or nothing approach, and you might actually come off as somewhat rational.

No you didn’t. Getting rid of the mandate ended up costing the American people more.

You libruls should make up your mind on that. Not that long ago, a librul claimed that the rate of increases in the ACA premiums has come down.

 

[Quag]

I love this whole line of reasoning
The military can force vaccines on its personnel except for the ones far right CT nut jobs and bain worm riddled whackos brainwash them into thinking are bad

 

[Fledermaus]

I love this whole line of reasoning
The military can force vaccines on its personnel except for the ones far right CT nut jobs and bain worm riddled whackos brainwash them into thinking are bad

That is it in a nutshell.

Notice how this question was dodged repeatedly:

Why not COVID (vaccination) especially in the midst of a pandemic?

 

[Fledermaus]

Vacant taunt is taunt, nothing more.

Just the unnecessary and sometimes unconstitutional mandates

So do common colds. Ever heard of sick bay?

It has been a bit over 50 years since I served in the military, however regular PT tests were required.

Unnecessary and sometimes unconstitutional mandates

That leaves you out.

No, actually I won that one. The individual mandate part of the ACA was repealed. You lost.

Why not COVID vaccines especially in the midst of a pandemic?

 

[Metric Mouse]

That’s because Biden inherited the country in the grips of it. The vaccine wasn’t distributed and in arms midnight, January 21. Looking at the actions of the Trump admin and the Biden admin in terms of trying to fight it, it’s not even close.

Of course not.

It was distributed a million doses at a time by midnight, Jan 2021. And the rate increased, dramatically.

Also we had a year of data on how to isolate, how to lock down, how to stop travel, how to force people to wear system. Robust production and distribution of ppe, effective preventive measures and treatments, a year of learning how to protect the most vulnerable (and, a year of the most vulnerable already dying.)

Biden inherited a robust system of preventive measures, and the world's most effective and widespread vaccination program.

And yet he still allowed more deaths(first year) than Trump did in his entire administration.

And Trump did terribly.

 

[The Brad Dad]

Of course not.

It was distributed a million doses at a time by midnight, Jan 2021. And the rate increased, dramatically.

Because of the *incoming democratic admin*? How completely unserious.

 

[NOLA Dude]

 

[NOLA Dude]

Taunts.

False.

False

You are a laugh a minute. Lose your all or nothing approach, and you might actually come off as somewhat rational.

You libruls should make up your mind on that. Not that long ago, a librul claimed that the rate of increases in the ACA premiums has come down.

Don't feed the trolls. He's someone who still claims the discredited Proximal Origins paper is proof covid was zoonotic.

 

[Fledermaus]

Don't feed the trolls. He's someone who still claims the discredited Proximal Origins paper is proof covid was zoonotic.

TRANSLATION:

Don't engage with people who prefer facts and evidence.

 

[jaeger19]

Taunts.

False.

False

You are a laugh a minute. Lose your all or nothing approach, and you might actually come off as somewhat rational.

I am the one that comes off rational here.
You can’t state why a soldier ishould be mandated to perform PT to maintain his heath but not mandated to be vaccinated which does the same thing.

You libruls should make up your mind on that. Not that long ago, a librul claimed that the rate of increases in the ACA premiums has come down.

The mandate was not the only thing the aca did to help contain premiums.
Duh.
But nice fail,

 

[jaeger19]

Don't feed the trolls. He's someone who still claims the discredited Proximal Origins paper is proof covid was zoonotic.

Gosh actual scientific evidence , how terrible when I could just believe random people on twitter like you!!

 

[MAGAnificent]

I am the one that comes off rational here

Bwahahhahahahahahaha!

You can’t state why a soldier ishould be mandated to perform PT to maintain his heath but not mandated to be vaccinated which does the same thing.

What is "ishould"

The mandate was not the only thing the aca did to help contain premiums.
Duh.
But nice fail,

The mandate was a violation of the commerce clause. And absolutely nothing in the ACA contained premiums. The so-called "Affordable Healthcare act", with the exception of the relatively few who are subsidized, has made health insurance far more expensive than it was prior to it's passage.

Gosh actual scientific evidence , how terrible when I could just believe random people on twitter like you!!

Cherry picked scientific study, not evidence.

 

[NOLA Dude]

TRANSLATION:

Don't engage with people who prefer facts and evidence.

Says the guy who loves to cry about X posts but is NEVER able to point out anything thats inaccurate.

 

[VySky]

Since scientists began playing around with dangerous pathogens in laboratories, the world has experienced four or five pandemics, depending on how you count. One of them, the 1977 Russian flu, was almost certainly sparked by a research mishap. Some Western scientists quickly suspected the odd virus had resided in a lab freezer for a couple of decades, but they kept mostly quiet for fear of ruffling feathers.

Yet in 2020, when people started speculating that a laboratory accident might have been the spark that started the Covid-19 pandemic, they were treated like kooks and cranks. Many public health officials and prominent scientists dismissed the idea as a conspiracy theory, insisting that the virus had emerged from animals in a seafood market in Wuhan, China. And when a nonprofit called EcoHealth Alliance lost a grant because it was planning to conduct risky research into bat viruses with the Wuhan Institute of Virology — research that, if conducted with lax safety standards, could have resulted in a dangerous pathogen leaking out into the world — no fewer than 77 Nobel laureates and 31 scientific societies lined up to defend the organization.

So the Wuhan research was totally safe, and the pandemic was definitely caused by natural transmission — it certainly seemed like consensus.

We have since learned, however, that to promote the appearance of consensus, some officials and scientists hid or understated crucial facts, misled at least one reporter, orchestrated campaigns of supposedly independent voices and even compared notes about how to hide their communications in order to keep the public from hearing the whole story. And as for that Wuhan laboratory’s research, the details that have since emerged show that safety precautions might have been terrifyingly lax.

https://archive.ph/Ma183

Now they tell us, but most of us knew pretty quickly they were lying to us. People in power who lied to us need to be held responsible.

That little prick Fauci is going to burn in hell

I have no idea how he can sleep at night living with what he did to our country, not to mention our kids.

He's an evil man with no soul.

 

[VySky]

Says the guy who loves to cry about X posts but is NEVER able to point out anything thats inaccurate.

They do that regardless of the source that has the stones to print something that is not approved by the leftist cult.

 

[NOLA Dude]

They do that regardless of the source that has the stones to print something that is not approved by the leftist cult.

Right. It's their crutch(like mediabiasfactcheck) to try to automatically discredit something without every showing what's inaccurate. It's comical that they think they are fooling anyone.

 

[VySky]

Right. It's their crutch(like mediabiasfactcheck) to try to automatically discredit something without every showing what's inaccurate. It's comical that they think they are fooling anyone.

And they call themselves the champions of free speech.

 

[Fledermaus]

Says the guy who loves to cry about X posts but is NEVER able to point out anything thats inaccurate.

That too is an inaccurate blanket claim.

 

[Fledermaus]

That little prick Fauci is going to burn in hell

I have no idea how he can sleep at night living with what he did to our country, not to mention our kids.

He's an evil man with no soul.

Burn in hell for what exactly?

Trying to educate anti vaxxerrs and anti maskers?

Trying to reduce deaths counts?

 

[Fledermaus]

Right. It's their crutch(like mediabiasfactcheck) to try to automatically discredit something without every showing what's inaccurate. It's comical that they think they are fooling anyone.

Awwww

You don't like fact checkers?

Interesting.

 

[BirdinHand]

I love this whole line of reasoning
The military can force vaccines on its personnel except for the ones far right CT nut jobs and bain worm riddled whackos brainwash them into thinking are bad

I chuckle.

The Covid vaccine = hair on fire.

Anthrax = no big deal

 

[jaeger19]

Bwahahhahahahahahaha!

What is "ishould"

The mandate was a violation of the commerce clause. And absolutely nothing in the ACA contained premiums. The so-called "Affordable Healthcare act", with the exception of the relatively few who are subsidized, has made health insurance far more expensive than it was prior to it's passage.

No it wasn’t and no it hasn’t as the best available evidence shows.

Cherry picked scientific study, not evidence.

Nah plenty of scientific evidence.
Your opinion is based on what? Oh yeah nothing.

Now back to the topic.
Why do you support mandates for soldiers to do physical training to maintain their health but not a mandate to vaccinate ate which also maintains their health?