NYT: We Were Badly Misled About the Event That Changed Our Lives

[j brown's body]

Any chance of the Trump admistration tightening the regulations around this kind of research, or, like most authoritarians, just bitching about it for infinity (or here, for page after page) while doing nothing about it except using it to attack real and imagined enemies?

 

[NOLA Dude]

Any chance of the Trump admistration tightening the regulations around this kind of research, or, like most authoritarians, just bitching about it for infinity (or here, for page after page) while doing nothing about it except using it to attack real and imagined enemies?

 

[The Hairy Fiddler]

Look how the lefties go partisan right away in reaction to this huge admission from the NYT.

Shouldn't we all be angry that we were lied to about something that killed millions?

what we should be a lot angrier about is how Trump lied to his own people on a daily basis killing an unnecessary 140,000 Americans.

 

[devildavid]

The fact is people were shunned, ridiculed, speech was outright banned for many things that have been proved to be factual.

None of this ever happened.

 

[NOLA Dude]

None of this ever happened.

That's your opinion. It's not factual.

And it definitely happened

 

[devildavid]

Look how the lefties go partisan right away in reaction to this huge admission from the NYT.

Shouldn't we all be angry that we were lied to about something that killed millions?

The NYT printed an opinion piece by an opinion columnist. The NYT did not print an official editorial board approved opinion of the paper that was an admission of anything at all. So the NYT literally did not admit anything at all. The NYT did not say that we were lied to. Their opinion columnist expressed her opinion and hers alone.

 

[devildavid]

That's your opinion. It's not factual.

And it definitely happened

It factually did not happen. It is your opinion that it did.

 

[j brown's body]

While that seems a tad extreme, one notes it was Trump who allowed it to begin with.

Feds lift gain-of-function research pause, offer guidance

www.cidrap.umn.edu

 

[Fletch]

The NYT printed an opinion piece by an opinion columnist. The NYT did not print an official editorial board approved opinion of the paper that was an admission of anything at all. So the NYT literally did not admit anything at all. The NYT did not say that we were lied to. Their opinion columnist expressed her opinion and hers alone.

All you are doing is applauding the NYTimes lack of courage.

 

[devildavid]

All you are doing is applauding the NYTimes lack of courage.

No, that isn’t what I am doing. The NYT had the courage to print and opinion piece that their editorial board may not agree with. It’s called freedom of the press.

 

[Luce]

That's your opinion. It's not factual.

And it definitely happened

No, this is crazytown conspiracy theory.

 

[BitterPill]

Since scientists began playing around with dangerous pathogens in laboratories, the world has experienced four or five pandemics, depending on how you count. One of them, the 1977 Russian flu, was almost certainly sparked by a research mishap. Some Western scientists quickly suspected the odd virus had resided in a lab freezer for a couple of decades, but they kept mostly quiet for fear of ruffling feathers.

Yet in 2020, when people started speculating that a laboratory accident might have been the spark that started the Covid-19 pandemic, they were treated like kooks and cranks. Many public health officials and prominent scientists dismissed the idea as a conspiracy theory, insisting that the virus had emerged from animals in a seafood market in Wuhan, China. And when a nonprofit called EcoHealth Alliance lost a grant because it was planning to conduct risky research into bat viruses with the Wuhan Institute of Virology — research that, if conducted with lax safety standards, could have resulted in a dangerous pathogen leaking out into the world — no fewer than 77 Nobel laureates and 31 scientific societies lined up to defend the organization.

So the Wuhan research was totally safe, and the pandemic was definitely caused by natural transmission — it certainly seemed like consensus.

We have since learned, however, that to promote the appearance of consensus, some officials and scientists hid or understated crucial facts, misled at least one reporter, orchestrated campaigns of supposedly independent voices and even compared notes about how to hide their communications in order to keep the public from hearing the whole story. And as for that Wuhan laboratory’s research, the details that have since emerged show that safety precautions might have been terrifyingly lax.

https://archive.ph/Ma183

Now they tell us, but most of us knew pretty quickly they were lying to us. People in power who lied to us need to be held responsible.

I wasn't misled.

Listening to Joe Rogan, who will always be a doctor to me, led me to Ivermectin which saved me from even catching covid though I did, in time, suffer from "severe lethargy, excessive drooling, dilated pupils, and uncoordinated movements."

Seems I was overdoing it on my Ivermectin intake, or maybe it's an uptake, so when I finally got out of the hospital after a few weeks, I limited my self-treatment to one horse suppository a day.

MAGA.

 

[roughdraft274]

Since scientists began playing around with dangerous pathogens in laboratories, the world has experienced four or five pandemics, depending on how you count. One of them, the 1977 Russian flu, was almost certainly sparked by a research mishap. Some Western scientists quickly suspected the odd virus had resided in a lab freezer for a couple of decades, but they kept mostly quiet for fear of ruffling feathers.

Yet in 2020, when people started speculating that a laboratory accident might have been the spark that started the Covid-19 pandemic, they were treated like kooks and cranks. Many public health officials and prominent scientists dismissed the idea as a conspiracy theory, insisting that the virus had emerged from animals in a seafood market in Wuhan, China. And when a nonprofit called EcoHealth Alliance lost a grant because it was planning to conduct risky research into bat viruses with the Wuhan Institute of Virology — research that, if conducted with lax safety standards, could have resulted in a dangerous pathogen leaking out into the world — no fewer than 77 Nobel laureates and 31 scientific societies lined up to defend the organization.

So the Wuhan research was totally safe, and the pandemic was definitely caused by natural transmission — it certainly seemed like consensus.

We have since learned, however, that to promote the appearance of consensus, some officials and scientists hid or understated crucial facts, misled at least one reporter, orchestrated campaigns of supposedly independent voices and even compared notes about how to hide their communications in order to keep the public from hearing the whole story. And as for that Wuhan laboratory’s research, the details that have since emerged show that safety precautions might have been terrifyingly lax.

https://archive.ph/Ma183

Now they tell us, but most of us knew pretty quickly they were lying to us. People in power who lied to us need to be held responsible.

Right wing morons weren't just claiming that covid might have leaked from a lab. They were screaming wild conspiracy theories that it was a biological weapon released on purpose to hurt the USA. Idiots like RFK were claiming that it was engineered to hurt white and blacks but not asians and jews. That's the kind of stupid ****ed up shit that the retarded right wing were saying. And then they pretend that everyone claimed that it couldn't have possibly been a lab leak. You can't scream retarded shit for years and then claim that you were actually screaming reasonable questions. If you should be mad at anybody, you should be made at the stupid ****ing morons on your side.

Covid origin: Why the Wuhan lab-leak theory is so disputed

The claim Covid-19 leaked from a Chinese laboratory dates from early in the pandemic. Here's what we know.

www.bbc.com

"That possibility certainly exists, and I am totally in favour of a full investigation of whether that could have happened," Anthony Fauci, President Biden's chief medical adviser, told a US Senate committee hearing in May 2021.

President Biden says he asked for a report on the origins of Covid-19 after taking office in 2021, "including whether it emerged from human contact with an infected animal or from a laboratory accident".

In May 2021, Mr Biden ordered intelligence officials to "redouble" their efforts on this.

 

[Lovebug]

For sure Trump left the door open.
Biden just opened it wider, and didn't take steps that slowed the number of horses escaping.

Neither is good, for sure.

Specifically?

 

[Metric Mouse]

Specifically?

Specifically the number of infections and deaths in Biden's first year versus Trump's entire term.

More people died, and that's kinda all that matters.

 

[Lovebug]

Specifically the number of infections and deaths in Biden's first year versus Trump's entire term.

More people died, and that's kinda all that matters.

What more could Biden have done?

 

[Metric Mouse]

What more could Biden have done?

He could have kept the deaths to at least the level of Trump.

Preferred it would be far below. Trump did awful; literally anything would have been better than how Trump handled things, and saved lives.

But Biden didn't. And more people needlessly died.

 

[Lovebug]

He could have kept the deaths to at least the level of Trump.

Preferred it would be far below. Trump did awful; literally anything would have been better than how Trump handled things, and saved lives.

But Biden didn't. And more people needlessly died.

Still nothing specific

 

[Metric Mouse]

Still nothing specific

I mentioned specifics. Biden let more people die than Trump. Why did he do that? He had more than a year of data and an effective vaccine that was being delivered faster than he promised he would deliver it... he had all the advantages.

Biden could have enforced lock downs, enforced mask mandates, supported closing schools, not lied about how the "darkest days are behind us", not refused to send aid to reduce states just because they didn't vote for him, set for more aggressive goals and mandates for vaccination, rallied the country to fight the virus...

He could have done a lot. And even then, he could have done just exactly what Trump did, and it would have been hard to criticize him... instead he did worse, and more people died.

 

[Lovebug]

I mentioned specifics. Biden let more people die than Trump. Why did he do that? He had more than a year of data and an effective vaccine that was being delivered faster than he promised he would deliver it... he had all the advantages.

Biden could have enforced lock downs, enforced mask mandates, supported closing schools, not lied about how the "darkest days are behind us", not refused to send aid to reduce states just because they didn't vote for him, set for more aggressive goals and mandates for vaccination, rallied the country to fight the virus...

An answer at last, thank you.
Now I would like to know more about the enforcement.
Would you have advised him to call on governors to use the national guard to prevent folks from entering an establishment without a mask or getting closer than 6 feet?

He could have done a lot. And even then, he could have done just exactly what Trump did, and it would have been hard to criticize him... instead he did worse, and more people died.

 

[Metric Mouse]

An answer at last, thank you.
Now I would like to know more about the enforcement.
Would you have advised him to call on governors to use the national guard to prevent folks from entering an establishment without a mask or getting closer than 6 feet?

I would have liked him to prevent deaths. Maybe he should have done whatever it was Trump did that resulted in fewer deaths? Tens of thousands of people would be alive. But he didn't, did he?

Literally he did worse than Trump. If you are arguing that neither Trump nor Bidem could have done anything to reduce deaths, that is fine. It's not true, but it is fine.

Biden, objectively, handled Covod worse than Trump did. And Trump did horribly.

There's a reason Biden was a one term president.

 

[j brown's body]

I would have liked him to prevent deaths. Maybe he should have done whatever it was Trump did that resulted in fewer deaths? Tens of thousands of people would be alive. But he didn't, did he?

Literally he did worse than Trump. If you are arguing that neither Trump nor Bidem could have done anything to redice deaths, that is fine. It's not true, but it is fine.

Biden, objectively, handled Covod worse than Trump did. And Trump did horribly.

There's a reason Biden is sooner president.

What specifically did Trump do to stop the spread and what did Biden do to encourage its spread?

This seems a little like blaming Biden for the horses getting out after Trump left the barn door open. Covid is a contagious disease. once it gets outs out and is free to run amok, what are you supposed to do to stop it from spreading?

 

[Metric Mouse]

What specifically did Trump do to stop the spread and what did Biden do to encourage it?

Who said Trump did anything to stop the spread?

He just let fewer people die. If Biden had the exact same results as Trump did, tens of thousands of people would be alive.

He did worse, somehow. Trump did nothing, and Biden did worse, objectively speaking.

 

[Lovebug]

I would have liked him to prevent deaths. Maybe he should have done whatever it was Trump did that resulted in fewer deaths? Tens of thousands of people would be alive. But he didn't, did he?

Literally he did worse than Trump. If you are arguing that neither Trump nor Bidem could have done anything to reduce deaths, that is fine. It's not true, but it is fine.

Biden, objectively, handled Covod worse than Trump did. And Trump did horribly.

There's a reason Biden was a one term president.

Ok then. Have a great day

 

[Luce]

Who said Trump did anything to stop the spread?

He just let fewer people die. If Biden had the exact same results as Trump did, tens of thousands of people would be alive.

He did worse, somehow. Trump did nothing, and Biden did worse, objectively speaking.

What a stupid post.