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NYC mayoral candidate Brad Lander handcuffed by ICE

It's what he was arrested for. Whether you choose to believe the officers is up to you. I would like to see the bodycam footage and courthouse video.

He clearly did impede the arrest - per his own wife, he locked arms with the suspect and had to be forcibly removed.
These arrests aren’t constitutional. ICE not adhering to a uniform standard and masking up begs for confrontations like this. So in effect the government’s ICE operation, along with being unconstitutional, is essentially a moving Entrapment scenario. Good times for Americans.
 
You appear to be in denial.

That man DID NOT assault anybody. It was a bogus charge levied by a gestapo member. It was an act of official misconduct.

Denying that doesn't change it.
I watched the video. He clearly became physical when told to stop. At first he didn’t use his hands but used his body to try to force his way through. I’m not the one in denial.
 
I watched the video. He clearly became physical when told to stop. At first he didn’t use his hands but used his body to try to force his way through. I’m not the one in denial.
That is not an assault.

Stop defending the ICE gestapo.
 
That is not an assault.
Stop defending the ICE gestapo.

Wrong again. It definitely falls under the legal definition of assault. If you get into an argument with someone and he deliberately chest bumps you but doesn’t use their hands or feet, that’s not assault?
 
(1)
to interrogate any alien or person believed to be an alien as to his right to be or to remain in the United States;
(2)
(5)to make arrests—
(A)
for any offense against the United States, if the offense is committed in the officer’s or employee’s presence, or
(B)
for any felony cognizable under the laws of the United States, if the officer or employee has reasonable grounds to believe that the person to be arrested has committed or is committing such a felony,
if the officer or employee is performing duties relating to the enforcement of the immigration laws at the time of the arrest and if there is a likelihood of the person escaping before a warrant can be obtained for his arrest.

Once again, you're spewing mindless bullshit.

A) and B) are separate, even though B) says felony. If you look at A) for ANY offense against the United States. If it were just for immigration offenses, it wouldn’t say “any”.
 
A) and B) are separate, even though B) says felony. If you look at A) for ANY offense against the United States. If it were just for immigration offenses, it wouldn’t say “any”.
Nope.

Good try, but you fail again.
 
Again, that is your opinion, not based on the evidence in the case.
No, it's fact. HE DID NOT hit anybody. There is not a case for assault here.

In assault cases, it's more about a perceived threat than an actually attack. Surely, the big bad ICE scum was not afraid of being heart by a man who had links arms with another man.

First, you need to mean for your actions to make another person feel scared of being hurt by you. Just doing something by accident isn’t enough for you to be charged with assault. You have to actually mean to cause that worry in them.

Nothing that man did fits this definition.

 
(1)
to interrogate any alien or person believed to be an alien as to his right to be or to remain in the United States;
...
(B)
for any felony cognizable under the laws of the United States, if the officer or employee has reasonable grounds to believe that the person to be arrested has committed or is committing such a felony,
if the officer or employee is performing duties relating to the enforcement of the immigration laws at the time of the arrest and if there is a likelihood of the person escaping before a warrant can be obtained for his arrest.

Once again, you're spewing mindless bullshit.
Immigration Officers are still federal law enforcement officers. While an Immigration Officer is tasked specifically with immigration related offenses that DOES NOT mean that they can't detain anyone else when in the performance of their immigration duties. For example, if they are raiding a nightclub frequented by cartel members and find a US citizen with drugs on them they can detain that person for drug possession. Generally, that person will be turned over to local law enforcement but ICE can still hold them.

When it comes to a law enforcement officer making an arrest the criteria is always "probable cause", not citizenship. A local law enforcement officer, for example, can detain someone they encounter during a traffic stop and have reason to believe is here illegally. Generally, local law enforcement will call Immigration and immigration will formally arrest the person.

It's important to remember that there is a distinction between "detention" and "arrest" even though both tend to be used interchangeably in casual conversation. Detention, generally, is a short term hold pursuant to an investigation. Arrest, on the other hand, indicates an intent to charge someone. In the case of Lander or Padilla both were detained pursuant to an investigation into criminal activity. It's also important to understand that just because ICE detained one or the other the actual arrest, if one was made, would have been handled by another agency.
 
Immigration Officers are still federal law enforcement officers. While an Immigration Officer is tasked specifically with immigration related offenses that DOES NOT mean that they can't detain anyone else when in the performance of their immigration duties. For example, if they are raiding a nightclub frequented by cartel members and find a US citizen with drugs on them they can detain that person for drug possession. Generally, that person will be turned over to local law enforcement but ICE can still hold them.
Nothing he did was a felony.
When it comes to a law enforcement officer making an arrest the criteria is always "probable cause", not citizenship. A local law enforcement officer, for example, can detain someone they encounter during a traffic stop and have reason to believe is here illegally. Generally, local law enforcement will call Immigration and immigration will formally arrest the person.
ICE does not get to arrest American citizens. That is not their job. That is FBI territory.
It's important to remember that there is a distinction between "detention" and "arrest" even though both tend to be used interchangeably in casual conversation. Detention, generally, is a short term hold pursuant to an investigation. Arrest, on the other hand, indicates an intent to charge someone. In the case of Lander or Padilla both were detained pursuant to an investigation into criminal activity. It's also important to understand that just because ICE detained one or the other the actual arrest, if one was made, would have been handled by another agency.

I am still against ICE detaining, arresting, questioning, or otherwise going anywhere near American citizens.

Their charter does not allow them to do so and neither does the law.

In any event, the charges were dropped because ICE violate that man's 4th amendment rights.
 
Nothing he did was a felony.

ICE does not get to arrest American citizens. That is not their job. That is FBI territory.


I am still against ICE detaining, arresting, questioning, or otherwise going anywhere near American citizens.

Their charter does not allow them to do so and neither does the law.

In any event, the charges were dropped because ICE violate that man's 4th amendment rights.
You keep on bringing up "felony" and that isn't part of the criteria for detaining someone. "Crime" and "probable cause" are the criteria. You also keep bringing up "arrest" and it doesn't appear that Lander was arrested at all.
 
From Copilot (AI):

Yes, ICE officers do have the authority to arrest U.S. citizens—but not for immigration violations. Instead, they can arrest citizens who obstruct, assault, or interfere with their lawful duties.

Under federal law, any authorized officer (including ICE agents) may arrest a person without a warrant if:
  • The offense is committed in the officer’s presence, or
  • The officer has reasonable grounds to believe the person has committed a felony under U.S. law2.
So, if a U.S. citizen physically blocks an ICE officer, refuses to comply with lawful orders, or otherwise impedes an arrest, they could be charged with obstruction of justice, assault on a federal officer, or related offenses.

This distinction is important: ICE cannot arrest U.S. citizens for immigration violations, but they can arrest them for criminal conduct that interferes with immigration enforcement.
 
No, it's fact. HE DID NOT hit anybody. There is not a case for assault here.

In assault cases, it's more about a perceived threat than an actually attack. Surely, the big bad ICE scum was not afraid of being heart by a man who had links arms with another man.

First, you need to mean for your actions to make another person feel scared of being hurt by you. Just doing something by accident isn’t enough for you to be charged with assault. You have to actually mean to cause that worry in them.

Nothing that man did fits this definition.

Again - it's YOUR opinion he didn't commit assault. It's not clear what action he took against the officers to trigger the arrest for assault. You are being insistent without a clear understanding of what transpired.

Worth noting you are posting contradictory statements in THIS post. Assault doesn't requires someone to 'hit' someone else. It doesn't require one to 'make someone feel scared'. You even pointed out that an actual 'hit' would be battery. Assault could include shoving and /or verbal threats - something I can absolutely see being involved when Mr. Lander attempted to physically intervene in the arrest.
 
Again - it's YOUR opinion he didn't commit assault. It's not clear what action he took against the officers to trigger the arrest for assault. You are being insistent without a clear understanding of what transpired.
WRONG.

I posted the legal definition of an assault. HE DID NOT COMMIT AN ASSAULT.
Worth noting you are posting contradictory statements in THIS post. Assault doesn't requires someone to 'hit' someone else. It doesn't require one to 'make someone feel scared'. You even pointed out that an actual 'hit' would be battery. Assault could include shoving and /or verbal threats - something I can absolutely see being involved when Mr. Lander attempted to physically intervene in the arrest.
This is wrong.

I posted the legal definition of assualt.

Accept it and move on.
 
The man was a member of congress. Congress has immunity. PERIOD.

It is NOT an assault. ICE lied about that.
It’s funny how it send like every time you spell out the word period, you are completely wrong.
Like when you claimed ICE can’t arrest US Citizens. Period. lol


Tell me why you think your incorrect claim about congress is relevant in this thread.
 
These arrests aren’t constitutional. ICE not adhering to a uniform standard and masking up begs for confrontations like this. So in effect the government’s ICE operation, along with being unconstitutional, is essentially a moving Entrapment scenario. Good times for Americans.
It’s easy to make the claim that something is unconstitutional. Harder to actually prove it with anything more than just your opinion.
But would like to see you try.
 
Nothing he did was a felony.

ICE does not get to arrest American citizens. That is not their job. That is FBI territory.


I am still against ICE detaining, arresting, questioning, or otherwise going anywhere near American citizens.

Their charter does not allow them to do so and neither does the law.

In any event, the charges were dropped because ICE violate that man's 4th amendment rights.
You keep reposting that lie. It’s not going to magically become true no matter how many times you post it.
 
WRONG.

I posted the legal definition of an assault. HE DID NOT COMMIT AN ASSAULT.

This is wrong.

I posted the legal definition of assualt.

Accept it and move on.
You posted A legal definition of assault. What you don't know is what Lander did. We don't yet have the video of the initial altercation.

And again - something you keep avoiding - based on his wife stated he at least interfered in the arrest.

And yes - you've even contradicted yourself. You even said Lander is a member of congress. lol.
 
It’s easy to make the claim that something is unconstitutional. Harder to actually prove it with anything more than just your opinion.
But would like to see you try.

They’ve already admitted to errors that we know of, and the admin is fighting tooth and nail against due process. Deportation doesn’t involve shuffling folks off to foreign gulags. Also they’re wholesale changing legal statuses on the fly. None of this is even a little legal.
 
They’ve already admitted to errors that we know of, and the admin is fighting tooth and nail against due process. Deportation doesn’t involve shuffling folks off to foreign gulags. Also they’re wholesale changing legal statuses on the fly. None of this is even a little legal.
So is it you don’t what the word “prove” means or do you actually know you can’t proof your claims so are just deflecting.
 
So is it you don’t what the word “prove” means or do you actually know you can’t proof your claims so are just deflecting.

You mean other than all the judges from every political stripe ruling it so?
 
You mean other than all the judges from every political stripe ruling it so?
You claimed the arrests are unconstitutional. You have not proved that. Defecting to a different subject isn’t proving anything.
 
ICE Agents need to get Nuremberg trials.
Are you serious?

The Nuremberg trials charged defendants with war crimes and crimes against humanity.
ICE Agents are arresting felons that are not legally living the US.
 
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No worries. It wasn’t specific, more of an accidental inclusion. Sadly I believe masks are a must for protesters in these difficult times and I agree law enforcement shouldn’t be allowed to wear them unless their uniform clearly identifies them as law enforcement with a badge number so I can identify my accusers.
Why?

If one can wear them, why wouldn't everyone? Conversely, if others can't, then no one should.

I'll say this one time.

It is DANGEROUS for those of you preaching misinformation, specifically if it gets out to the general public, on the legality of obstruction. It has caused people to get shot, or otherwise hurt, because of the complete ignorance of the law. Yes, Tango, this is you. If you want to put yourself in that danger, go ahead, but stop preaching it as if it were true to others.

Don't obstruct officers, period. Comply with their demands. If you disagree with what/how they do something, take it up in court or you stand to get arrested, or hurt.
 
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