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NY Times Greenhouse: Alito right, Obama wrong

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Interesting to find a NY Times writer that agrees with a conservative justice over their all mighty Messiah.

Justice Alito’s Reaction
By LINDA GREENHOUSE

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Mr. Obama’s words were sharp, echoing his earlier criticism of the court’s decision last week in the Citizens United case to strike down the limits that the McCain-Feingold campaign finance law placed on independent political expenditures by corporations and unions. The decision would “open the floodgates for special interests — including foreign companies — to spend without limit in our elections,” Mr. Obama said, adding that “I don’t think American elections should be bankrolled by America’s most powerful interests.” He urged Congress to “pass a bill that helps correct some of these problems.”

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This time, Justice Alito shook his head as if to rebut the president’s characterization of the Citizens United decision, and seemed to mouth the words “not true.” Indeed, Mr. Obama’s description of the holding of the case was imprecise. He said the court had “reversed a century of law.”

The law that Congress enacted in the populist days of the early 20th century prohibited direct corporate contributions to political campaigns. That law was not at issue in the Citizens United case, and is still on the books. Rather, the court struck down a more complicated statute that barred corporations and unions from spending money directly from their treasuries — as opposed to their political action committees — on television advertising to urge a vote for or against a federal candidate in the period immediately before the election. It is true, though, that the majority wrote so broadly about corporate free speech rights as to call into question other limitations as well — although not necessarily the existing ban on direct contributions.

Justice Alito’s Reaction - Opinionator Blog - NYTimes.com

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That was an incredibly awkward moment. Behind the political facade, Obama must have felt kind of awful doing that. I can't imagine it would be easy for a law professor to knowingly misrepresent the law in order to attack the Supreme Court, directly in front of the Justices.
 

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What he said is essentially true. Corps can now spend without limit. Sure they cannot give directly to a candidate, but if you are rich enough to afford your own political infrastructure, than that is a moot point.
 

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That was an incredibly awkward moment. Behind the political facade, Obama must have felt kind of awful doing that. I can't imagine it would be easy for a law professor to knowingly misrepresent the law in order to attack the Supreme Court, directly in front of the Justices.

Assuming Obama in anyway felt he was wrong...
 

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What he said is essentially true. Corps can now spend without limit. Sure they cannot give directly to a candidate, but if you are rich enough to afford your own political infrastructure, than that is a moot point.

No, it's not. There is a very, very substantial distinction. Furthermore, the 100 years of precedent line is a lie as well.
 

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I loved the foreign investors threat since the only party to actually get busted and fined for taking illegal contributions from a foreign country was the Democrats.

And all it cost us was some petty cutting edge missile and satellite technology. No big deal :roll:
 

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This makes me mad. If he is going to call someone out like that he had better be representing their arguments correctly.
 

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No, it's not. There is a very, very substantial distinction. Furthermore, the 100 years of precedent line is a lie as well.

I am curious what this distinction is.
 

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This makes me mad. If he is going to call someone out like that he had better be representing their arguments correctly.

That's not the way progressives work. They must vilify those that oppose their socialist/Marxist agenda. Just read "Rules For Radicals" and you will understand completely what Obama's game plan is.

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