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Nvidia starts producing its Blackwell AI chip at TSMC’s Arizona plant (1 Viewer)

Allan said:
They don't need to subsidize manufacturing although they have subsidized EV (which is why Europe and Canada have tariffs on them).
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Subsidized EV,

Which Canada has and is trying to do, Europe as well. Not to the same extent but has engaged with. Heck I believe Canada was going to give VW $10 billion to build an EV plant in Ontario
 
longview said:
No, China engages in predatory trade practices, and everyone knows it, it is best that we develop alternative sources
before we cannot.
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Businesses engage in predatory trade practices any and everywhere they can.

Cute that you seem to believe only “China” does it 😂
 
BirdinHand said:
Businesses engage in predatory trade practices any and everywhere they can.

Cute that you seem to believe only “China” does it 😂
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Sure, but most businesses are not directly funded by their government, with the purpose of driving
the foreign businesses out of business.
 
Callen said:
What do you think tariffs do?
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Nothing good, but they do not directly subsidize the cost of goods sold of products a company makes.
The Tariffs in my opinion are simply to bring countries in to renegotiate trade agreements, more to the US's advantage.
 
longview said:
Sure, but most businesses are not directly funded by their government, with the purpose of driving
the foreign businesses out of business.
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Government impacts every single business - either directly or indirectly.

That applies, universally, around the globe. 🤷‍♀️

The US invests in private businesses in the US. And US foreign and domestic policies have impacts on businesses…whether or not the government has invested in them.

Our current administration has made doing business more expensive thanks to a trade war. Our current administration has negatively impacted businesses thanks to a trade war.

longview said:
Nothing good, but they do not directly subsidize the cost of goods sold of products a company makes.
The Tariffs in my opinion are simply to bring countries in to renegotiate trade agreements, more to the US's advantage.
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Your opinion reflects ignorance 🤷‍♀️

Tariffs impact the costs of goods and products a company makes. Tariffs impact supply chains. Tariffs impact the US export market as well as the import market.

Trump’s trade wars were stupid in 1.0 and are only worse in 2.0
 
Slartibartfast said:
TSMC is putting plants in several countries right now and appear to be planning on the day when China takes a more aggressive stance.
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It makes sense to build these advanced chips in the country with corporate behemoths that will be spending hundreds of billions of dollars on data centers. Plus, Arizona doesn’t have the typhoon, earthquake, or invasion-threat problem, unless Mexico decides to invade (with an actual army) to try to take it back. One issue TSMC complained about during construction of the fab was labor. Americans, they said (unofficially), are stupid and lazy compared to Taiwanese workers. Officially, they said they couldn’t find enough Americans:

After TSMC began building Fab 21 near Phoenix, Arizona, the company said it needed to dispatch more than 1,000 skilled workers from Taiwan so it could complete the project on time and within budget. This made Arizona unions furious, as they argued it essentially took positions from locals, and the situation even spurred a separate lawsuit for racial discrimination. Today, about 50% of the staff at the fab still originate from Taiwan, but this will change over time as TSMC builds out additional phases of its factory, reports the New York Times.
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www.tomshardware.com

Half of TSMC's Arizona staff are Taiwanese, despite recent controversies

TSMC plans to add more American workers at the Fab 21 site in Arizona.
www.tomshardware.com www.tomshardware.com

Ironically, the founder of TSMC was educated at Harvard, MIT, received a PhD from Stanford, and learned the industry working in the United States in U.S. chip plants. He then built a chip company that went on to kick his former mentor’s ass, producing most of the world’s advanced microchips.

In point of fact, we are stupid, because there are now 300,000 Chinese students studying at American colleges and universities across the country, including soaking up everything they can in advanced STEM programs at elite universities. They can then take what they learned back to China and kick our asses all over again. “Free trade! Winning!” 🤣
 
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Slartibartfast said:
www.reuters.com

TSMC says has begun construction at its Arizona chip factory site

Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co Ltd (2330.TW) (TSMC) has started construction at a site in Arizona where it plans to spend $12 billion to build a computer chip factory, its chief executive said on Tuesday.
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Who was president on June 1, 2021?

It seems the timeline was set years ago.
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Yes, well before Biden took office. But if you want to cheer that Biden didn't screw it all up, I'm right there with you.

www.nytimes.com

T.S.M.C. Is Set to Build a U.S. Chip Facility, a Win for Trump (Published 2020)

The White House has called for building up U.S. manufacturing and criticized a tech supply chain centered in China.
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Taylor said:
Yes, well before Biden took office. But if you want to cheer that Biden didn't screw it all up, I'm right there with you.

www.nytimes.com

T.S.M.C. Is Set to Build a U.S. Chip Facility, a Win for Trump (Published 2020)

The White House has called for building up U.S. manufacturing and criticized a tech supply chain centered in China.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
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This isn't due to the Trump administration though.

TSMC in various stages of setting up plants in Japan and Germany. The reason is China's claim over the PRC and the need for business continuity.
 
Xilnik said:
Your argument is backwards. Trump should have laid the foundation for production in our country before his first set of tariffs during his first term.
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Then again, something got done.
 
Ahlevah said:
Americans, they said (unofficially), are stupid and lazy compared to Taiwanese workers. Officially, they said they couldn’t find enough Americans
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🤷‍♀️

Capitalism at work.

Businesses don’t care where employees are located. Businesses care about profits.

🤷‍♀️
 
Allan said:
It's only unfair when they do it.
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Now I haven't been to China in 12 years but have heard that the air quality in the cities has drastically improved over the last 10 years, which coincides with the promotion of EVs ( not only that being the cause, as many other air quality improvement policies have taken place as well.

Given the very poor air quality of 15 years ago, I can certainly see why China would heavily promote EVs as a way to improve air quality.

As we have seen in North America, EV adoption has a lot of hurdles to cross before they could really good traction as a strong alternative choice
 
Slartibartfast said:
This isn't due to the Trump administration though.
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Right, because the NYTimes is known for their outrageous, obeisant Trump reporting. They see everything as a "a win for Trump." :rolleyes:
 
Taylor said:
Right, because the NYTimes is known for their outrageous, obeisant Trump reporting. They see everything as a "a win for Trump." :rolleyes:
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If the facts look bad for Trump, then it's on Trump to behave in a way where those facts don't exist in the first place.
 
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