Numbers don't like

[vegas giants]

Facts can be ridiculous sometimes. But they're still facts.

"That's the thing about honesty. Sometimes it stinks. Sometimes it sets you free."

Per capita more blacks are killed by cops than whites


Facts are facts

 

[JohnnyDollar]

What if the “factual information” always is done to show blacks in a negative light? Should we come to any conclusions about that?

If it shows negative facts about bad blacks, then is it considered racist? How about if negative facts against bad whites? Is that racist too?
There are "facts" about blacks and whites. Facts aren't racist.

 

[watsup]

Accept for the "affirmative action" type, there is no racism built into any of our systems.

What if more blacks are convicted than whites for essentially the same crimes, as some studies have shown? Would that be an instance of systemic racism in the “justice” system?

If it shows negative facts about bad blacks, then is it considered racist? How about if negative facts against bad whites? Is that racist too?
There are "facts" about blacks and whites. Facts aren't racist.

You right wingers don’t spend hours each day posting negative “facts” about whites. They (you) have a laser-like focus on doing so regarding blacks. There’s a name for that sort of activity.

 

[JohnnyDollar]

Per capita more blacks are killed by cops than whites


Facts are facts

Per capita shmapita. If more white are killed by cops, then more whites are killed by cops.
All those other whites, who didn't get shot, are meaningless to the facts.

How can you combine decent people with thugs and consider them part of the criminal equation? You're just trying to use one irrelevant percentage to take the focus off the actual numbers. And it's not going to work. It's too obvious, bro.

For the record: I understand what you're saying. Less blacks in the country, means the few hundred less cop killings of blacks, makes out like blacks have a higher chance of getting killed by cops. But that's just an irrelevant fact. For the simple fact that it doesn't equate to an equal percentage of black and white thugs, who put themselves in front of a cop with a gun.
There's obviously more white thugs than blacks. So the chances of being contacted by a white thug is higher. When you're discussing the entire population of whites. Especially in a white "hood."
But go into a highly black populated "hood", what are your chances of being contacted by a black thug? It's a lot higher than being contacted by a white thug, right?

 

[JohnnyDollar]

What if more blacks are convicted than whites for essentially the same crimes, as some studies have shown? Would that be an instance of systemic racism in the “justice” system?

You'd have to have all the facts. Facts criminal history of the thug. The mood the judge was in that day. The jurors history. The accuracy of the police reports and the investigations.

You right wingers don’t spend hours each day posting negative “facts” about whites. They (you) have a laser-like focus on doing so regarding blacks. There’s a name for that sort of activity.

Like I said, start a thread about white thugs, and we'll discuss it. This thread isn't just about black thugs. or Black people as a whole. Nor is this thread about me personally. You're attempt to make it about me, a few times now, is irrelevant to this thread.
It's about the numbers and the lies the media and racist organizations like BLM, who mislead their viewers and supporters, spew to the public for profit.

 

[vegas giants]

Per capita shmapita. If more white are killed by cops, then more whites are killed by cops.
All those other whites, who didn't get shot, are meaningless to the facts.

How can you combine decent people with thugs and consider them part of the criminal equation? You're just trying to use one irrelevant percentage to take the focus off the actual numbers. And it's not going to work. It's too obvious, bro.

For the record: I understand what you're saying. Less blacks in the country, means the few hundred less cop killings of blacks, makes out like blacks have a higher chance of getting killed by cops. But that's just an irrelevant fact. For the simple fact that it doesn't equate to an equal percentage of black and white thugs, who put themselves in front of a cop with a gun.
There's obviously more white thugs than blacks. So the chances of being contacted by a white thug is higher. When you're discussing the entire population of whites. Especially in a white "hood."
But go into a highly black populated "hood", what are your chances of being contacted by a black thug? It's a lot higher than being contacted by a white thug, right?

Facts remain facts


You are more likely to be shot by the cops as a black man than a white man

 

[watsup]

You'd have to have all the facts. Facts criminal history of the thug. The mood the judge was in that day. The jurors history. The accuracy of the police reports and the investigations.

Or it could be systemic racism if it happens quite often, as some surveys have shown to be the case.

 

[JohnnyDollar]

Critics of trump claim his rhetoric has encouraged violence as well


I agree with that

Do you agree that Maxine Waters comments like "get more confrontational" & "fight like hell" comments encourages violence?

 

[JohnnyDollar]

Facts remain facts


You are more likely to be shot by the cops as a black man than a white man

You say that, knowing that more whites are shot by cops. This is an "agree to disagree" situation.

 

[watsup]

Do you agree that Maxine Waters comments like "get more confrontational" & "fight like hell" comments encourages violence?

In that case, would you agree that Trump’s comments to “fight like hell” inspired the insurrections rioters on Jan 6?

 

[JohnnyDollar]

Or it could be systemic racism if it happens quite often, as some surveys have shown to be the case.

Got a link to one of those surveys?

 

[Luce]

A Youtube video.

LOL

 

[JohnnyDollar]

In that case, would you agree that Trump’s comments to “fight like hell” inspired the insurrections rioters on Jan 6?

I've heard politicians on both sides of the isle say "fight like hell" for much of my adult life. And I never took it serious. I think the morons who stormed the capital used Trumps words as a justification. But moreso, had it in their brains to storm the capital anyways. Even if Trump had stated during his rally, "Do not storm the capital," they would've done it anyways.
Why? Because they were morons.

 

[vegas giants]

You say that, knowing that more whites are shot by cops. This is an "agree to disagree" situation.

Not per capita


Facts are facts

 

[vegas giants]

Do you agree that Maxine Waters comments like "get more confrontational" & "fight like hell" comments encourages violence?

Sure. But trump had a bigger audience as president

 

[watsup]

I've heard politicians on both sides of the isle say "fight like hell" for much of my adult life. And I never took it serious. I think the morons who stormed the capital used Trumps words as a justification. But moreso, had it in their brains to storm the capital anyways. Even if Trump had stated during his rally, "Do not storm the capital," they would've done it anyways.
Why? Because they were morons.

So it’s okay by you that Trump used those words? How about Maxine Waters?

 

[JohnnyDollar]

I can find lots. This is just one example

Utah Black Lives Matter leaders condemn violence and vandalism at protests

Leaders from the Utah Black Lives Matter movement are condemning the violence and vandalism at Saturday night’s protest in Salt Lake City. Utah Black Lives Matter leaders condemn violence and vandalism at protests. (Photo: Larry D Curtis) They said the demonstration was not organized by Black...

www.google.com

You can only find what you look for

Really, try doing a youtube search for "Black woman shouts racist comments." Or even "Black racist." It's 20 to 1 where it'll show a white racist. Before all this BLM crap started, you could find what you was searching for. Now, no matter how you word it.
When the BLM protests started, there was a video of a black rioter calling for the death of all white people. You won't find it now. But there's a TON of racist white trash being shown on youtube.

Again, a double standard.

 

[vegas giants]

Really, try doing a youtube search for "Black woman shouts racist comments." Or even "Black racist." It's 20 to 1 where it'll show a white racist. Before all this BLM crap started, you could find what you was searching for. Now, no matter how you word it.
When the BLM protests started, there was a video of a black rioter calling for the death of all white people. You won't find it now. But there's a TON of racist white trash being shown on youtube.

Again, a double standard.

I see a lot of claims without evidence. You also said BLM doesnt denounce violence.


I dont believe your claims.

 

[JohnnyDollar]

Sure. But trump had a bigger audience as president

And?

 

[vegas giants]

And?

Thus he has a greater responsibility

 

[watsup]

Sure didn't take you long at all to trollingly try and derail another thread.
Why is that? You don't think factual information should be discussed, or that it should not be used to point out how narratives are false?

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You don't say?
Thank you for informing everybody.

There are trillion of bits of "factual information" in the world. so why is it that you and your fellow right-wingers SPECIFICALLY look for those that you can use to denigrate blacks? There's a name for that.

 

[watsup]

Its been shown time after time on this site that the facts take an enormous shit on the leftists rhetoric...and as soon as it is exposed they run like rats or make up some personal attacks against the poster to avoid the facts.

The Washington Post is not a conservative media outlet. ALL the figures taken from the police shootings in that video are found on the WaPo.

There are trillion of bits of "facts" in the world. so why is it that you and your fellow right-wingers SPECIFICALLY look for those that you can use to denigrate blacks? There's a name for that.

 

[watsup]

I can't find anywhere, where a founder or leader in the BLM movement denounces the riots, looting, burning and violent acts on innocent people.

You get what you are looking for, I suppose. I put "does blm denounce rioting" into Google and came up with numerous instances of both BLM leaders in various cities and Democratic politicians doing just that. You clearly look for items that you can use to denigrate blacks instead. Again, there's a word for that. And no, I am not going to bring all those articles here. You get what you are looking for. Do so yourself.

 

[watsup]

It does answer the question if you put like 2 seconds of thought into it. What you're talking about is a double standard. Trump's supporters, maybe a couple hundred out of thousands stormed the capital building. They didn't kill anyone. They didn't burn it to the ground. They did how ever physically harmed others. And should be held accountable for their actions. Do I blame Trump for inciting the the actions of others. NO. One thing worth noting, Trump denounced what his supporters did at the capital. And publicly stated:





I can't find anywhere, where a founder or leader in the BLM movement denounces the riots, looting, burning and violent acts on innocent people.

That's the double standard that I oppose.

Speech is just that. The acts speak for themselves. If you don't denounce the violence, then you support it.

Actually, Trump only "denounced" the insurrectionist mob because his lawyers told him that words such as "fight like hell" could indeed leave him open to being sued for potentially inciting the riot, and so his staff wrote up a little speech for him to give. He didn't really mean it. He only reads those speeches because he's told that he must by his staff. The same thing happened over and over in his time in office, starting when he said that "Putin said he didn't interfere in our election, and I believe him". Given that what he said was in direct opposition to what the intel agencies of the US had discovered, his staff had to run and write a speech for him claiming that he "believed the intel agencies". So which time was he lying? Was it when he openly said what he thought, or when he was made to read a speech by his staff in order to hide the embarrassment of what he had previously said. I think that you know the answer if you would be honest about it.

 

[JohnnyDollar]

You get what you are looking for, I suppose. I put "does blm denounce rioting" into Google and came up with numerous instances of both BLM leaders in various cities and Democratic politicians doing just that. You clearly look for items that you can use to denigrate blacks instead. Again, there's a word for that. And no, I am not going to bring all those articles here. You get what you are looking for. Do so yourself.

First link: Comparison between Capitol siege, BLM protests is denounced(which doesn't hardly mention denouncing the violence by their members)
2nd: Black Lives Matter does not condone looting

Black Lives Matter does not condone the looting — and other ...​

From that link: "Black Lives Matter Chicago organizer Ariel Atkins went viral in early August for calling the looting of downtown stores a form of “reparations.”

I'm not going to link everyone on the first page. But none of them are showing what was posted above. One BLM co founder, denouncing BLM supporters violence, without justification.