NSA Lied About Knowledge Of 2 Hijackers In U.S., Didn't Inform The FBI[W:32]

[Mark F]

At this point, ultimately, what difference does it make? MILLIONS of people died and many have been killed after the fighting stopped because of unexploded ordnance and chemical agents used to tame the undergrowth. Countries were devastated. The homeland internal dissent in the U.S. was extreme. Our military had no chance of winning the War from the second they conceptualized their strategy & scheme. Our military and spies were demoralized. The VA left many combat veterans out in the wind. Americans learned in great deal that their government not only lies to them about the War but spies on them too and will use water cannons, nightsticks, live ammunition & German-Shepherds to silence organized dissent. And even though we dropped more ordnance than all theaters of World War II, WE STILL ****ING LOST! The Pentagon bean-counters HAD KNOWN that the U.S. WOULD LOSE for a while before we ran out of dodge which resulted in more inhuman atrocities.

The Vietnam War should have never happened. Period. The depressingly sad part is that voices objected to the War from the get-go but were drowned out and silenced by the Hawks who wanted a War be it for security, strategy or own self-interest.

Agreed

 

[Jango]

Agreed

Thank you.

 

[Fledermaus]

At this point, ultimately, what difference does it make? MILLIONS of people died and many have been killed after the fighting stopped because of unexploded ordnance and chemical agents used to tame the undergrowth. Countries were devastated. The homeland internal dissent in the U.S. was extreme. Our military had no chance of winning the War from the second they conceptualized their strategy & scheme. Our military and spies were demoralized. The VA left many combat veterans out in the wind. Americans learned in great deal that their government not only lies to them about the War but spies on them too and will use water cannons, nightsticks, live ammunition & German-Shepherds to silence organized dissent. And even though we dropped more ordnance than all theaters of World War II, WE STILL ****ING LOST! The Pentagon bean-counters HAD KNOWN that the U.S. WOULD LOSE for a while before we ran out of dodge which resulted in more inhuman atrocities.

The Vietnam War should have never happened. Period. The depressingly sad part is that voices objected to the War from the get-go but were drowned out and silenced by the Hawks who wanted a War be it for security, strategy or own self-interest.

A side note... We are obsessed with returning our dead.

I recent years the Vietnamese government has become more gracious about searching for the remains (A friend of mine was on one of the recovery team).

When pressed for why the Vietnamese government didn't do "more" to find the ~3,000 US Servicemen MIA a senior Vietnamese officer said simply... "We have a million missing"

 

[BmanMcfly]

My game is to stop your vagaries and evasions and get to the point. It should be quite obvious I am trying to clarify precisely what your claim is to avoid any confusion over what is being discussed and thus wasting a lot of time. Therefore I asked a series of very precise questions aimed at determining precisely what it is you are claiming. You could have saved us a 2 days and about 2 dozen posts by not playing your usual games.

Now then, the question posed in post #247, YES or NO?

Look, stop playing dumb and this derail would already have been pages shorter.
From all that I could gather, the entire August 4 incident was a fabrication, nothing happened.

 

[Mark F]

Look, stop playing dumb and this derail would already have been pages shorter.
From all that I could gather, the entire August 4 incident was a fabrication, nothing happened.

Great.

You're wrong.

If you wish to discuss it further, start a new thread. It is as you say, a derail here.

 

[Jango]

A side note... We are obsessed with returning our dead.

I recent years the Vietnamese government has become more gracious about searching for the remains (A friend of mine was on one of the recovery team).

When pressed for why the Vietnamese government didn't do "more" to find the ~3,000 US Servicemen MIA a senior Vietnamese officer said simply... "We have a million missing"

Yeah, I think just about any government/people would act and think that way all things considered. Nevertheless, it's sad to think that our guys haven't all been accounted for or brought up to be laid to rest by their loved ones and friends.

 

[BmanMcfly]

Great.

You're wrong.

If you wish to discuss it further, start a new thread. It is as you say, a derail here.

Lmao... I'll use that from now on.

"You're wrong" / thread

The type of insanity where admissions don't count, and naked assertions do.

 

[NWO_Spook]

Because I know I'm right and you're full of it. You don't care and never showed you did.

You are just making up stories about people as usual. Stick to my point and stop trying to manipulate it elsewhere. Remember, we are discussing logical and informal fallacies. The very fallacies that prompted my initial response, and you are twisting my words and misrepresenting the content as is your usual underhanded practice.

You have absolutely NO idea whether you are right or wrong, and as usual, it is wrong, but as is your wont, you will believe anything you like despite its accuracy.

I know it's irrelevant to you, I already said it was.

Of course it is, we're discussing logical fallacies that you employ on a regular basis, not how we feel about the wars. Please try to stay focussed without wandering off on another subject unrelated to my point. It is clear you have absolutely no idea of what I'm talking about and choose to read what you like, and that is rapidly becoming just another uneducated truther ploy. Now, stop being a jerk and refer to the link I provided earlier in order for you to avoid employing the same fallacious debate style in the future, there's a good lad.

 

[Bob0627]

[Photo of family member or you?]

Why did you post a photo of some of your family members or possibly yourself as part of your last 2 responses? What does that have to do with the discussion (or whatever you want to call it)? Just curious.

 

[Mark F]

Lmao... I'll use that from now on.

"You're wrong" / thread

The type of insanity where admissions don't count, and naked assertions do.

You are wrong. Sorry, I lack the power to change historical reality.

That Turner Joy and Maddox believed they were under attack on 4 August and fired on suspected targets for a period of 4 hours, even calling in air support is a matter of historical record. Therefore your un-supported claim that nothing eventful happened that day, along with the un-supported innuendo claim the White House orchestrated nothing to happen (????) does not stand. Put simply you have not made your case. You have not in fact made a case at all, just tossed out some very generalized accusations followed by the very minimum of detail which I had to drag out of you over a period of several days, with of course the obligatory watch this video as your sole evidence.

If your not even going to try I don't see why I should put any effort in either. If however, you would like to discuss this event further START A NEW THREAD ABOUT IT. I think I may have mentioned that idea previously.

The really interesting aspects of this event, the ones worth discussing involve the political decision making process during and after the event. Just like with 9/11 tough too many CT's seem incapable of discussing the legitimate concerns and have to invent things that never happened and discuss them.

 

[BmanMcfly]

You are wrong. Sorry, I lack the power to change historical reality.

That Turner Joy and Maddox believed they were under attack on 4 August and fired on suspected targets for a period of 4 hours, even calling in air support is a matter of historical record. Therefore your un-supported claim that nothing eventful happened that day, along with the un-supported innuendo claim the White House orchestrated nothing to happen (????) does not stand. Put simply you have not made your case. You have not in fact made a case at all, just tossed out some very generalized accusations followed by the very minimum of detail which I had to drag out of you over a period of several days, with of course the obligatory watch this video as your sole evidence.

If your not even going to try I don't see why I should put any effort in either. If however, you would like to discuss this event further START A NEW THREAD ABOUT IT. I think I may have mentioned that idea previously.

The really interesting aspects of this event, the ones worth discussing involve the political decision making process during and after the event. Just like with 9/11 tough too many CT's seem incapable of discussing the legitimate concerns and have to invent things that never happened and discuss them.

Precisely the story that was to be fabricated. That never happened.

For someone that claims to have the transcript and has been sent the audio synced at the precise segment that is relevant to gulf of tonkin... you either have serious problems in language comprehension, or don't want to admit you were wrong (lying). The only other possibility is defined as delusional.


So, my point remains, more often than not conspiracy theories given enough time wind up being confirmed as a conspiracy fact.

Now, back to the NSA lying about the hijackers...

 

[Thoreau72]

Why did you post a photo of some of your family members or possibly yourself as part of your last 2 responses? What does that have to do with the discussion (or whatever you want to call it)? Just curious.

Because his chosen position is intellectually bankrupt?

 

[Fledermaus]

Precisely the story that was to be fabricated. That never happened.

For someone that claims to have the transcript and has been sent the audio synced at the precise segment that is relevant to gulf of tonkin... you either have serious problems in language comprehension, or don't want to admit you were wrong (lying). The only other possibility is defined as delusional.

So, my point remains, more often than not conspiracy theories given enough time wind up being confirmed as a conspiracy fact.

Now, back to the NSA lying about the hijackers...

The Turner Joy and Maddox believed they were under attack on 4 August. That is reality.

Your CLAIM that 30 years or so later the tapes came out with the president ordering the fakery, is unsupported by your link.

Try to focus... You are claiming the "president ordering the fakery".

Are you REALLY suggesting the Turner Joy and Maddox were ordered to believe they were under attack on 4 August?

 

[Bob0627]

James Corbett interviews William Binney and Richard Gage:

 

[BmanMcfly]

The Turner Joy and Maddox believed they were under attack on 4 August. That is reality.

Your CLAIM that 30 years or so later the tapes came out with the president ordering the fakery, is unsupported by your link.

Try to focus... You are claiming the "president ordering the fakery".

Are you REALLY suggesting the Turner Joy and Maddox were ordered to believe they were under attack on 4 August?

Lmao.

 

[Mark F]

Lmao.

Then explicitly state your claim, including a timeline of events and the evidence that supports that claim, preferably IN A NEW THREAD. We will see if it holds up to scrutiny.

 

[NWO_Spook]

Why did you post a photo of some of your family members or possibly yourself as part of your last 2 responses? What does that have to do with the discussion (or whatever you want to call it)? Just curious.

Wow, you have no perception of the subtle. Listen, if you want to play games and behave like a jerk, fine, but I'm done with your flaming and trolling. :2wave:

I notice you haven't once addressed my point, how 'truther' of you.

 

[NWO_Spook]

Because his chosen position is intellectually bankrupt?

No, it was to highlight the moronic nature of Bob's silly games. Wow, you didn't get that?

 

[Bob0627]

Wow, you have no perception of the subtle. Listen, if you want to play games and behave like a jerk, fine, but I'm done with your flaming and trolling. :2wave:

I notice you haven't once addressed my point, how 'truther' of you.

When you post photos like that, you're off into a rabbit hole and any alleged point you might post that has any possibility of being considered somewhat intelligent is completely obscured by your infantile behavior. In other words, I consider your tactics the machinations of a troll.

 

[NWO_Spook]

When you post photos like that, you're off into a rabbit hole and any alleged point you might post that has any possibility of being considered somewhat intelligent is completely obscured by your infantile behavior. In other words, I consider your tactics the machinations of a troll.

How duplicitous of you. Bob, you can dispense with the feigned butthurt, you fool no-one with your puerile tactics.

 

[Bob0627]

How duplicitous of you. Bob, you can dispense with the feigned butthurt, you fool no-one with your puerile tactics.

Did you run out of family pictures?

 

[NWO_Spook]

Did you run out of family pictures?

I see, you're just trying to start some 'Bob-style' bitch session. Well, I'm not playing your childish games. Good day and have fun in the sandbox, Kid.

 

[BmanMcfly]

Then explicitly state your claim, including a timeline of events and the evidence that supports that claim, preferably IN A NEW THREAD. We will see if it holds up to scrutiny.

All that is needed is the admission of fabrication and the story people believed until to see that what FDR was discussing was precisely the lie that was told.

But you would know that if you weren't so delusional. Unless you're not actually PLAYING dumb?

 

[Mark F]

All that is needed is the admission of fabrication and the story people believed until to see that what FDR was discussing was precisely the lie that was told.

But you would know that if you weren't so delusional. Unless you're not actually PLAYING dumb?

Now you've lost me completely. What does FDR have to do with the Gulf of Tonkin incident? And if I am the one playing dumb why did it take me 3 days to pry a half-constructed explanation from you as to what exactly it is you think happened in the GoT incident?

You really need to stop projecting. It isn't fooling anyone. And stop the insults and name-calling. Remember, that's where you lose your poker face.

 

[BmanMcfly]

Now you've lost me completely. What does FDR have to do with the Gulf of Tonkin incident? And if I am the one playing dumb why did it take me 3 days to pry a half-constructed explanation from you as to what exactly it is you think happened in the GoT incident?

You really need to stop projecting. It isn't fooling anyone. And stop the insults and name-calling. Remember, that's where you lose your poker face.

Gah.. Typo... LBJ... My bad.

Anyway, if you weren't so busy playing dumb you could have made the correction without my help.

But then you start lying to top it off.

Seriously, you quoted the link to the audio to tell me that I did not link to the audio, and you figure that makes you somehow honest.

You are determined to make me go back some 20-30 posts and start over while you play dumb all the way to the bank.