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NRA-Backed Law Spells Out When Indianans May Open Fire on Police

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this may be considered old news, but i think the law discussed in the article is still relevent enough to discuss.


NRA-Backed Law Spells Out When Indianans May Open Fire on Police - Bloomberg


Now before people start criticizing me, allow me to state my reason for posting this story. before she became a lawyer, my mother served as a police officer in Wisconsin, so i am concerned about laws that may potentially harm police officers for no justifiable reason.

can any of the pro-gun people on this forum give me a better understanding of what you think of this kind of law?
 
I'm curious; if a police officer is trying to kill you and you have given him no reason to do so, should you just die or would it be prudent to defend yourself?
 
The sargeant begins with the premise that people are looking for a reason to shoot him, and now they have a law to support it. This is insane. What person, besides someone that is already willing to shoot a police officer would even attempt to take advantage of it? Most people I know do not wish to shoot an officer, and would probably still hesitate even after realizing that an officer is trying to harm them.
 

i guess there are some opponents of the bill who think that this bill will potential create more legal headaches and will make police officers jobs more complicated then it has to be.
 
i guess there are some opponents of the bill who think that this bill will potential create more legal headaches and will make police officers jobs more complicated then it has to be.

Why don't wait till it has created legal headaches?
 
I'm curious; if a police officer is trying to kill you and you have given him no reason to do so, should you just die or would it be prudent to defend yourself?

I have to say that reason tells me that if you get into a gun fight with a police officer, you're going to lose - either to that police officer or to one of the hundreds of his colleagues who are going to hunt you down. Even if you voluntarily surrender, chances are pretty good you're not making it to the police station alive or at least not conscious.

That said, it seems that this law will put in harms way people such as children's aid officers, by-law enforcement officers, meter readers, etc. Only a matter of time before some fool shoots and kills some innocent civil servant for no good reason thinking they could.
 
Little over blown because it is supposed to shield people from wrongful or mistaken address warrants.
Say you live at 150 Peach and the warrant is for 150 Peachtree and the police get the wrong home to kick the door in on.
Which does happen, but pretty rarely.
 

so police make mistakes, don't we all make mistakes at some time or another?

surely a explination or a simple conversation could fix the mix-up?
 
so police make mistakes, don't we all make mistakes at some time or another?

surely a explination or a simple conversation could fix the mix-up?
Welp, once someone kicks my door in. Its on. I have the same training and equipment as well.
It would be a blood bath that I may not live through, but I am not dropping to my knees just because someone is yelling "police".
The police need to do a better job of getting the right place more than I need to do a better job preparing for them.
 

a misunderstanding does not need to end in a bloodbath.
 
a misunderstanding does not need to end in a bloodbath.

Very true. So the onus is on the civil servants to perform due diligence prior to serving a no knock arrest warrant to ensure they do not cause a misunderstanding which would cause an innocent person to use force to protect themselves. Why is the onus on an innocent person to determine who just busted their door down? The civil serveants are the supposed professionals and are ultimatley responsible for ensuring the safety of innocent citizens first, themselves second.
 
no, and i don't intend to do anything to provoke someone in law enforcement.

Like I said, its for when they get the wrong house.
Say you are asleep, and your door gets kicked? You just going to lay there because someone is yelling police?
Anyone can fake being a cop to get you handcuffed then rob you, and I would say thats probably happend more than the real police getting the wrong address.
 
Nailed it, end thread.
 
Pretty simple. If an officer is operating in an illegal capacity the citizen has a right to self defense and the officer forfeits legal protection. This of course is only during the commission of the act, Louisiana has had a similar "no protection zone" for officers acting against constitutional protections, engaging in unlawful arrest/detainment, or commission of a violent act for quite some time.
 
I don't wish to shoot anyone, but no one should mistake that for passivity. If an officer asks entrance into my house sure, if he demands it he'd better produce a warrant, short of that any engagement by him will end in a fatality.
 
Then he needs to start looking for another job.
 
Not necessarily, they can't break any laws trying to get payback for their colleague acting in bad faith, any further crimes they commit they will be held responsible for and they know it.
 
so police make mistakes, don't we all make mistakes at some time or another?

surely a explination or a simple conversation could fix the mix-up?
Someone kicks my door down unexpectedly I'm not asking questions.
 
Not necessarily, they can't break any laws trying to get payback for their colleague acting in bad faith, any further crimes they commit they will be held responsible for and they know it.
You have to remember, guys like John think that just because they are police they are crack shots. Same with criminals, all the antigunners think if you produce a gun to defend life and home, it will be taken from you and used on you by crimnals who are crack shots.
 
CJ is one of the good guys, he doesn't have experience with firearms but respects the right. Cops are all over the place when it comes to weapons proficiency but tend to be lackluster when compared to private citizens. Most criminals are laughably bad shots.
 
Someone kicks my door down unexpectedly I'm not asking questions.

I was wondering how that was going to work myself.
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ, BAM!!!!!!!! door slams open, door frame tears out of the concrete, three or four dudes all dressed in black with ski maskes start pouring in.
Um, "excuse me sir. May I see some ID and inquire as to why you are in my home pointing a M4 at my wifes head?" Oh, that will get you tazed in a second, now you are at someone elses complete mercy as are your children. Dog barks, shot if its aggressive.
Now you are face down on your carpet, zip tied from behind, gagged if you keep talking, tazed if you try to get up, knee to the middle of the back by the heaviest cop you ever saw bound in body armor and full gear adding about 40 more pounds of guns, ammo and mags.
Then they go, "oh damn wrong house". But they will find some dope. Oh, you dont smoke dope? Well 4 cops are going to testify that they found a baggie of dope under your bed.
Yes, it happens just like this.
 
I shoot with some cops, and yea they are like most groups of people. Fair to real good. I dont shoot with criminals so I dont really know.
 
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