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All of that doesn't solve any of the problems we'd like for it to. I could buy an AR from a private seller with no record of the transaction at all, collect the weapon immediately, and no one would be the wiser. None of what you suggest will ameliorate such business, and you and I both know that such transactions happen all the time. Do you honestly thing for even a second that those who intend to use such weapons illegally are concerned with meeting the letter of such laws? They aren't.OK....how do you feel about a national registry and thirty day delays in weapons purchases? How about closing down gun shows which sell 40% of all purchases in a parking lot or even worse than that dishonest managers....not that that is even a possibility. Yeah Right.
And if the shooter had an automatic shotgun with 30 round drum mags he would've done worse. The key here, as in other such events, is that the sumbitch was crazy. I have to say that I hope I have your enthusiasm at 79, if I live to see it. I just hope it's derived from something besides politics, but I have to give you the credit you deserve for keeping the blood flowing and the fires burning.Don't forget that it hasn't been long at all since a crazy son-of-a-bitch mowed down 20 first graders and half a dozen more who were brave enough to try and stop him. He didn't have a shotgun and he had multiple thirty clips for his AR-15.
Kind of amazing but it's the way you folks think. You blame Obama for everything from his inheiritance of the Bush mess to who has the clap but when something negative happens under one of your tax cutting presidents you look through every congressional record technicality and every possible way to blame it on anybody or anything else. Keep it up. You've been found out. Besides losing the popular vote in five of the last six presidential elections Romney won two demographics...white men and folks over 65. Since whites will soon be a minority in America and since folks over 65 are dying 100 times faster than those under thirty I'm betting that you've seen the last Republican in the white house for the next few decades....maybe longer than that.
Jared Lee Loughner, as well
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Was not trying to go into a detailed list from Charles Whitman to present, just trying to point out that the law for background checks needs to be enforced. And since there is no system in place to list or verify mental illness, that is a week point of the entire system that must be resolved.
If the weapons weren't for sale they would have been stopped. The idea of military styled assault weapons being in the hands of every kooky son-of-a-bitch in the country is asinine. When a guy can drop 300 rounds(10 30 clips) and a semi automatic rifle into some kind of fanny pack or book sack and proceed on the streets unnoticed and commit mass murder there's something really bad going on. ***Only In America***
But it must include due process of law, not merely the "professional" opinion of some wingnut. The problem with involuntary commitment is that you are typically evaluated, given some diagnosis and quickly released yet never get a hearing of any kind, thus if you are ever given treatment, you are likely then banned for life from having your 2A rights, yet never were given due process. Being "crazy" is not a crime.
All of that doesn't solve any of the problems we'd like for it to. I could buy an AR from a private seller with no record of the transaction at all, collect the weapon immediately, and no one would be the wiser. None of what you suggest will ameliorate such business, and you and I both know that such transactions happen all the time. Do you honestly thing for even a second that those who intend to use such weapons illegally are concerned with meeting the letter of such laws? They aren't.
And if the shooter had an automatic shotgun with 30 round drum mags he would've done worse. The key here, as in other such events, is that the sumbitch was crazy. I have to say that I hope I have your enthusiasm at 79, if I live to see it. I just hope it's derived from something besides politics, but I have to give you the credit you deserve for keeping the blood flowing and the fires burning.
That is the biggest crock of **** I've ever heard. With a shot gun there ain't no such bull**** as carrying 300 rounds in extra magazines and you have two choices for the six or eight rounds you do have.
I can't, because the requirements are the same. Military, Civilian, Contractor, we all go through the exact same clearance process.
In fact, that is why such jobs are frequently sought after by former military who have clearances. They are generally good for 7 years, and are simply deactivated when we are no longer in a position that requires them. All he would have basically had to do is file to have his clearance reinstated because of job needs for the DoD, and they would have granted it.
I myself have a clearance, and had them several times. From 1984-1987 I had one because of my position in the military, it was suspended in 1987 because I moved to a position that did not require my having a clearance.
Then in 2008 I got a new one, once again because of my position. I held that until 2012 when I left active duty. It was reactivated in January 2013 and remains current because the job I now have in the Reserves mandates that I have an active Secret clearance. ANd reactivating the clearance is a simple administrative procedure, nothing more.
This guy got out of the Navy 2 years ago, where he had a position that mandated such a clearance. I bet they did the exact same thing for him. The clearance is the same for all members who work for the Government, it does not matter who they are or where the work.
There is no "Military Secret Clearance", "DoD Secret Clearance", "State Department Secret Clearance", "FBI Secret Clearance", etc, etc, etc.
What about all of this do you not comprehend?
I also had clearance back in the 90's so I could come in an uranium enrichment plant operated by a contractor of the DOD. They call my local sheriff and chief of police after no discovery of criminal activity. SO either alot has changed or someone did not do their job.
Damn.....If he can fight off a company and the DC police and kill twelve people with a shotgun I definitely want to be on his team. NRA Influence? Surely Not!
I've never heard of a sniper using a shotgun. 'Course I'm just 79.
I got my last clearance in 2008.
No, it has not changed at all. What is it that you do not understand about this. Having a criminal record does not preclude you from getting a clearance!
I myself have an arrest record. Shoplifting when I was a juvenile, failure to appear on a speeding ticket (45 days in county jail), and for failing to pay a no insurance ticket (2 days in city jail). And I know guys that had clearances even though they had incidents with assault, petty theft, one even had an involuntary manslaughter conviction!
Let me say this one last time, see if it sinks in yet:
A Security Clearance only cares about the handling of classified documents and materials!
Yes, they check your police record. And if you have arrests or convictions of things like embezzlement, prostitution, fraud, identity theft, things that might make you a risk handling classified material (or a risk for blackmail which might compromise such material).
Just like they check your credit. If you are living beyond your means or deep in debt you will not get a security clearance either. Everything else may be perfect, but if they think you might be a target for bribery, no clearance for you.
That's nothing surprising. About 2003, 2004 when the mission was accomplished in Iraq the military couldn't get up enough volunteers to hold a good cockfight. Guess What??? They lowered the requirements for enlisted personnel to the point where a person who never graduated from high school and had a rap sheep for drug violations and misdemeanors could get in:
That's nothing surprising. About 2003, 2004 when the mission was accomplished in Iraq the military couldn't get up enough volunteers to hold a good cockfight. Guess What??? They lowered the requirements for enlisted personnel to the point where a person who never graduated from high school and had a rap sheep for drug violations and misdemeanors could get in:
Seriously, I must be trying to have a debate with a 12 year old child here.
"Wahhhh! I can't win so I am going to sidetrack the discussion by slamming Bush again! Waaaaa!"
Expelliarmus, foul troll!
Pfft. I have an automatic shotgun with 30 round drum mags. Last time I checked, I hadn't participated in any mass murders. You're barking up the wrong tree.That is the biggest crock of **** I've ever heard. With a shot gun there ain't no such bull**** as carrying 300 rounds in extra magazines and you have two choices for the six or eight rounds you do have. Either spread a wide pattern of smaller shot in which case you would more than likely wound several but kill no one or choke it down and get in a couple of shots. This guy was lethal because of the Glock he took from a cop. He was lethal because of the lack of resistance. In Sandy Hook one of the teachers lost her own life but more than likely saved a dozen. Anybody who thinks there's a need for military styled semi automatic assault weapons on the street for other than law enforcement is cruel and uncaring....in other words Republicans.
SHUCKS....I was showing the poorer personnel in the military. You know......like the Bush recession and what it has done to what used to be the middle class in this country. Not To Worry.....your asses have been found out. You can be sure that blacks, latinos, Asians, women, gays, etc. will take your asses to task in every election going forward. The two faced bible thumpers will lose again.
Pfft. I have an automatic shotgun with 30 round drum mags. Last time I checked, I hadn't participated in any mass murders. You're barking up the wrong tree.
Pfft. I have an automatic shotgun with 30 round drum mags. Last time I checked, I hadn't participated in any mass murders. You're barking up the wrong tree.
It will take a while but finally every NRA supported congressman/woman will see what an utter failure the Right has become. Then...maybe Americans on the street will be able to leave their home or office in the middle of the night and not feel like they have to go armed. We're the only industrialized nation in the world which hangs onto those primitive values.
Wow, a mite bit paranoid, are you not?
I have lived in Compton, Inglewood, and East LA. I have never once felt the "need to go armed". If I can not live in that kind of fear in some of the worst slums in the country, that tells me the level of fear and paranoia that you live in.
Seek psychological help, please.
By God somebody feels like they need to go armed. The NRA is a tool and the Republican party is an accomplice. Check this in your spare time:
I got my last clearance in 2008.
No, it has not changed at all. What is it that you do not understand about this. Having a criminal record does not preclude you from getting a clearance!
I myself have an arrest record. Shoplifting when I was a juvenile, failure to appear on a speeding ticket (45 days in county jail), and for failing to pay a no insurance ticket (2 days in city jail). And I know guys that had clearances even though they had incidents with assault, petty theft, one even had an involuntary manslaughter conviction!
Let me say this one last time, see if it sinks in yet:
A Security Clearance only cares about the handling of classified documents and materials!
Yes, they check your police record. And if you have arrests or convictions of things like embezzlement, prostitution, fraud, identity theft, things that might make you a risk handling classified material (or a risk for blackmail which might compromise such material).
Just like they check your credit. If you are living beyond your means or deep in debt you will not get a security clearance either. Everything else may be perfect, but if they think you might be a target for bribery, no clearance for you.
No, a criminal background will keep you out of an uranium enrichment plant, the big red letters only make you look worse.:roll:
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