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Now that President Trump has laid an offer on the table, what are the democrats going to offer? It cant be a one way street. Democrats need to offer the money for the wall.
 

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Now that President Trump has laid an offer on the table, what are the democrats going to offer? It cant be a one way street. Democrats need to offer the money for the wall.

They did, right before the shutdown started. Trump turned it down.
 

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Now that President Trump has laid an offer on the table, what are the democrats going to offer? It cant be a one way street. Democrats need to offer the money for the wall.

Why? Why do Democrats need to negotiate on something most Americans don’t want?
 

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Now that President Trump has laid an offer on the table, what are the democrats going to offer? It cant be a one way street. Democrats need to offer the money for the wall.

I think you need to change your username. ;)
 

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I think you need to change your username. ;)


I suggest "RabidlyPartisan1"

Seriously, I always picture this guy literaally foaming at the mouth when I first click on his daily 'treasures'. This place needs a puppy pad.:roll:
 

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Now that President Trump has laid an offer on the table, what are the democrats going to offer? It cant be a one way street. Democrats need to offer the money for the wall.

Won't happen. Democrats hate Trump and the ONLY thing they care about is sticking it to him. They're holding out for an impeachment and figure that once some kind of catastrophe hits due to the federal shutdown they'll use that as the basis for impeachment.
 

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Now that President Trump has laid an offer on the table, what are the democrats going to offer? It cant be a one way street. Democrats need to offer the money for the wall.

Democrats will not negotiate while the government is shutdown. You don't negotiate with hostage takers.
 

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Democrats will not negotiate while the government is shutdown. You don't negotiate with hostage takers.

And you don't reward tantrumps.
 

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They did, right before the shutdown started. Trump turned it down.
FOR the wall? How much? What were the demands associated with the "offer"?
 

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Won't happen.

It already did happen. Trump turned them down.

Democrats hate Trump

They're not alone. Most of America hates him.

and the ONLY thing they care about is sticking it to him.

It's not the only thing, but I'll admit it's at (or near) the top.

They're holding out for an impeachment and figure that once some kind of catastrophe hits due to the federal shutdown they'll use that as the basis for impeachment.
 

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Now that President Trump has laid an offer on the table, what are the democrats going to offer? It cant be a one way street. Democrats need to offer the money for the wall.

No, they don't. That's merely what you, Trump too, I suppose, had rather they offer.
 

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Democrats all hate and no compassion.
 

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FOR the wall? How much? What were the demands associated with the "offer"?

Yep. Depending on the source it was between $20-25B. Full DACA with a pathway for citizenship.
 

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Democrats will not negotiate while the government is shutdown. You don't negotiate with hostage takers.

"Hostage takers" again.

Look, here's Pelosi's wish list - https://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/11919/
Democrats support smart, effective border security solutions:

Increased infrastructure investments at our ports of entry including additional ports and roads;
Advanced technology to scan for drugs, weapons and contraband where the vast majority of drugs come in to our country and advanced technology to detect unauthorized crossings;
More customs personnel including filling the more than 3,000 customs and border patrol vacancies; and
More immigration judges.

Trump's offer included $800M for port of entry infrastructure, $800M for for tech along the border, 2750 new hires for border patrol and 75 more immigration judges.....and a wall.

Trump offered EVERYTHING she asked for on that list as well as temporary (not permanent) DACA and TPS resolutions which could be worked out in the subsequent three years. That, however, wasn't good enough for her.

And you have the balls to call Trump a "hostage taker".
 

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Trump offered what he took away. Until there is a real offer on the table....NO
Thank you Nancy for having the ability to stand up to this guy.
 

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No matter what Trump offers, the shutdown is his to have and hold 'til it ends. Trump said he'd "proudly" shutdown the government on account of the wall and "own" doing so. He's getting his way in that regard.
 

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Yep. Depending on the source it was between $20-25B. Full DACA with a pathway for citizenship.
He only asked for $5 bil. I think you're getting confused. Seems like Trump offered DACA to over a million a while back during another negotiation.
 

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They will do nothing. Nancy said no to the deal before Trump even proposed it.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-...tarian-crisis-southern-border-mexico-twitter/

Of course. Most Americans are against Trump. How can you expect the House of Representatives to kowtow to a President who has minimal support from the people who elected them?
Face it- this President was elected by fewer votes than his opponent got and he lost his majority in the House. In other words he squandered his chance and now he wants the Democrats to do his heavy lifting for him. And all the Trumpanzees think the Democrats should fall in line.
 

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I suggest "RabidlyPartisan1"

Seriously, I always picture this guy literaally foaming at the mouth when I first click on his daily 'treasures'. This place needs a puppy pad.:roll:

:lamo :lamo :lamo
 

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He only asked for $5 bil. I think you're getting confused. Seems like Trump offered DACA to over a million a while back during another negotiation.

What do you think $5B will accomplish in terms of a border wall? Do you think that will gt it done?
 

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"Hostage takers" again.

Look, here's Pelosi's wish list - https://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/11919/


Trump's offer included $800M for port of entry infrastructure, $800M for for tech along the border, 2750 new hires for border patrol and 75 more immigration judges.....and a wall.

Trump offered EVERYTHING she asked for on that list as well as temporary (not permanent) DACA and TPS resolutions which could be worked out in the subsequent three years. That, however, wasn't good enough for her.

And you have the balls to call Trump a "hostage taker".

Okay I'll go with your premise.
He offered to spend 800 mil out of the 1.5 he already got for border infrastructure, another 800mil for tech. Sounds like the 1.5 he was getting in the CR back in December was a good deal for only 65 days of funding.
Why didn't he take it?
Trump is the hostage taker he shut the government down even though he was getting much of what he is asking for now.
 

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"Hostage takers" again.

Look, here's Pelosi's wish list - https://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/11919/


Trump's offer included $800M for port of entry infrastructure, $800M for for tech along the border, 2750 new hires for border patrol and 75 more immigration judges.....and a wall.

Trump offered EVERYTHING she asked for on that list as well as temporary (not permanent) DACA and TPS resolutions which could be worked out in the subsequent three years. That, however, wasn't good enough for her.

And you have the balls to call Trump a "hostage taker".

None of those things were ever in dispute. All offers from both sides had all that in one form or another. This all comes down to the wall for permanent DACA. Heck, both of us know that deep down the dems aren't really against a barrier in some form, they've voted for it in the past.
 

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What do you think $5B will accomplish in terms of a border wall? Do you think that will gt it done?
It'll build a wall around an island off the left coast of Canada.
 
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