Not Much Will Change in Most States Even if Roe is Overturned

[munkle]

Once again lot of heat not much light.

Roe v. Wade - Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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All Roe said was no state can ban abortions. Most states won't, because most people who vote Republican aren't ideologues, and the GOP knows that. So unless you're in Mississippi, you won't have much to worry about. Also technology has come far and you'll never get rid of Plan B.

This is much ado about nothing.

 

[ChrisIsLeft]

Texas is a big, big state. Poor women can't easily travel interstate. this is what they do, chip away at rights, to take as much as they can

 

[tshade]

Once again lot of heat not much light.

Roe v. Wade - Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

simple.wikipedia.org

All Roe said was no state can ban abortions. Most states won't, because most people who vote Republican aren't ideologues, and the GOP knows that. So unless you're in Mississippi, you won't have much to worry about. Also technology has come far and you'll never get rid of Plan B.

This is much ado about nothing.

Never underestimate the narrow-stupidity of many GOP voters. After Trump was elected, and the repulsively low bar that developed in the GOP since, how can ANY woman feel safe ????

 

[Court Jester]

Texas is a big, big state. Poor women can't easily travel interstate.

I see a lot of "poor women" WALKING to Texas from Honduras and Guatemala, so I think you are wrong about that.

 

[ChrisIsLeft]

I see a lot of "poor women" WALKING to Texas from Honduras and Guatemala, so I think you are wrong about that.

Those people are not just poor, they would DIE if they stayed where they are

 

[munkle]

Texas is a big, big state. Poor women can't easily travel interstate. this is what they do, chip away at rights, to take as much as they can

You mean like free speech?

 

[ChrisIsLeft]

You mean like free speech?

No one is taking free speech away. The right simply mean 'free speech' to be the right to speak hate about minorities and not have anyone correct their lies. Free speech is a modern battle ground, a thing no one cared about 20 years ago. Because the right use it as a smoke screen to complain people don't blindly accept their hate

 

[btthegreat]

Once again lot of heat not much light.

Roe v. Wade - Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

simple.wikipedia.org

All Roe said was no state can ban abortions. Most states won't, because most people who vote Republican aren't ideologues, and the GOP knows that. So unless you're in Mississippi, you won't have much to worry about. Also technology has come far and you'll never get rid of Plan B.

This is much ado about nothing.

13 states already have abortion bans sitting in place to be triggered by the decision. The GOP has driven its moderates out of power. They are counting on those 'non ideologue republicans' doing exactly the same thing in their states, that they did when faced with a choice between Hillary and Trump or Biden and Trump. They plug their noses and pull the lever for their tribe. Its a hyper-partisan political world. Heck its what Susan Collins and Murkowski did when they voted for these judges, knowing damn well they would never have been nominated by Trump, unless he knew exactly what they would do on this issue.

 

[ChrisIsLeft]

13 states already have abortion bans sitting in place to be triggered by the decision. The GOP has driven its moderates out They are counting on those 'non ideologue republicans' doing exactly the same thing in their states, that they did when faced with a choice between Hillary and Trump or Biden and Trump. They plug their noses and pull the lever for their tribe. Its a hyper-partisan political world.

And they don't care what the majority want.

 

[LadyCaptain]

My blue state has an abortion ban just waiting for Roe v Wade to go down. We tend to vote blue in nationwide elections but the state is gerrymandered a f so statewide the Repubs get to overrule the will of the majority

We are not the only ones. I heard a big-ass list of states on the radio this morning

 

[TurtleDude]

Texas is a big, big state. Poor women can't easily travel interstate. this is what they do, chip away at rights, to take as much as they can

well how many times is the average Texas woman in poverty going to need an abortion? Texas cannot punish someone for driving to another state to get an abortion any more than a state that doesn't recognize legal herb can punish a resident for getting stoned out of his gourd in Alaska or Colorado

 

[TurtleDude]

And they don't care what the majority want.

if the majority in a state want abortion to be legal-chances are it will be

 

[btthegreat]

well how many times is the average Texas woman in poverty going to need an abortion? Texas cannot punish someone for driving to another state to get an abortion any more than a state that doesn't recognize legal herb can punish a resident for getting stoned out of his gourd in Alaska or Colorado

What you are discussing is jurisdiction. If the abortion happens in another state, then that is where the jurisdiction of that 'crime' rests. but if the charge is aiding and abetting in an abortion, it does not matter what state the abortion happened in. It matters is what state the aiding and abetting happened in. If someone lives in Texas and knowing the purpose of the trip, loaned the Texan woman gas money in Texas, or drove her to the border, or helped her look up the phone number of the clinic, or pack her overnight bag, or gave her advice on what to say to bio Dad, or maybe traded working shifts so she had three days off. That is exactly the kind of conduct these statutes are designed to criminalize.

They will do everything in their power to stop that woman from traveling elsewhere to 'kill that unborn innocent life' This is a 'civil war between pro-life and pro-choice states and its this same cabal of pro-life judges that will be deciding which states win and which states lose these legislative battles.

 

[Mustachio]

if the majority in a state want abortion to be legal-chances are it will be

You’re going to have to eventually accept that the world you lived in had rules that no longer apply

 

[TurtleDude]

Well if the charge is aiding and abetting in an abortion, it does not matter what state the abortion happened in. It matters is what state the aiding and abetting happened in. If someone lives in Texas and loaned the woman gas money in Texas, or drove her to the border, or helped her look up the phone number of the clinic, or pack her overnight bag, or gave her advice on what to say to bio Dad, or maybe traded working shifts so she had three days off. That is exactly the kind of conduct these statutes are designed to criminalize.

Ohio cannot arrest someone in Colorado for selling me reefer there. Just like Ohio cannot prosecute me for buying a 300 dollar blow job at the "Mustang Ranch" nor can they prosecute a prostitute in that state for such an action either.

 

[TurtleDude]

You’re going to have to eventually accept that the world you lived in had rules that no longer apply

sounds like a good reason for good men to be well armed. Ever see that Clash picture?

 

[Geoist]

I see a lot of "poor women" WALKING to Texas from Honduras and Guatemala, so I think you are wrong about that.

I thought they were coming in caravans?

 

[btthegreat]

Ohio cannot arrest someone in Colorado for selling me reefer there. Just like Ohio cannot prosecute me for buying a 300 dollar blow job at the "Mustang Ranch" nor can they prosecute a prostitute in that state for such an action either.

Its only about where the crime was committed. The problem is that a hell of a lot of 'aiding and abetting' is going to happen in the town she lives in with friends, family and supportive people trying to help her. The statute does not say 'aiding and abetting an abortion that happens to occur in Texas'. It says aiding and abetting an abortion. The woman beats the rap because her 'crime' was in New Mexico, but nobody else does!

 

[TurtleDude]

Its only about where the crime was committed. The problem is that a hell of a lot of 'aiding and abetting' is going to happen in the town she lives in with friends, family and supportive people trying to help her. The statute does not say 'aiding and abetting an abortion that happens to occur in Texas'. It says aiding and abetting an abortion.

that's going to be an interesting attempt at a prosecution but If I give an Ohio resident a plane ticket so he can go get a Lewinsky in Reno etc, I don't think anyone can prosecute me for that.

 

[dncc]

Never underestimate the narrow-stupidity of many GOP voters. After Trump was elected, and the repulsively low bar that developed in the GOP since, how can ANY woman feel safe ????

After?

Trump just exploited the latent stupidity of the average conservative.

Jade Helm, Comet Pizza, etc... There isn't enough bandwidth on this website to contain all of the instances of gluttony from the right wing.

 

[btthegreat]

that's going to be an interesting attempt at a prosecution but If I give an Ohio resident a plane ticket so he can go get a Lewinsky in Reno etc, I don't think anyone can prosecute me for that.

Yes. Its going to take some rather determined prosecutors. You have to know what that Ohio resident intends to do in Reno of course to aide and abet a crime. She is not likely to want to do much talking about who helped her at least initially, but this whole statutory system in Texas under which this law is designed to use 'pro-life squealers' as the primary source of evidence in the first place.

This is some very nasty business we are setting up!

 

[TurtleDude]

Yes. Its going to take some rather determined prosecutors. She is not likely to want to do much talking about who helped her at least initially, but this whole statutory system under which this law is designed to use 'pro-life squealers' as the primary source of evidence in the first place.

This is some very nasty business we are setting up!

I cannot see a valid grounds for prosecution for helping someone do something that is legal at the place where the action takes place

 

[Noodlegawd]

Once again lot of heat not much light.

Roe v. Wade - Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

simple.wikipedia.org

All Roe said was no state can ban abortions. Most states won't, because most people who vote Republican aren't ideologues, and the GOP knows that. So unless you're in Mississippi, you won't have much to worry about. Also technology has come far and you'll never get rid of Plan B.

This is much ado about nothing.

A lot of people don't live in "most states."

 

[dncc]

that's going to be an interesting attempt at a prosecution but If I give an Ohio resident a plane ticket so he can go get a Lewinsky in Reno etc, I don't think anyone can prosecute me for that.

Prosecute? No.

But SB8 doesn't rely on prosecutions and court decisions. What it relies on is nuisance as a tool.

Lets say you give that plane ticket to someone every month. You get sued every month by a different plaintiff.
Eventually, you will get tired of having to defend yourself in court if you're like most people. So you stop giving the plane tickets out. This is the "teeth" in SB8.

Texas doctor who admitted to violating the state’s near-total abortion ban sued under new law

At least two lawsuits were filed after Dr. Alan Braid said he performed an abortion prohibited by the law earlier this month. One of the people suing Braid reportedly wants Texas’ new abortion law to be ruled unconstitutional.

www.texastribune.org

 

[btthegreat]

I cannot see a valid grounds for prosecution for helping someone do something that is legal at the place where the action takes place

Your crime is aiding and abetting an abortion while in Texas. The law does not say an 'illegal' abortion because they don't care if New Mexico calls it a that abortion a crime or not. Your aiding and abetting is the crime. The whole thing is designed to prevent women from going somewhere else to murder their baby.