Nostalgists vs Futurists

[calamity]

Isn't that what all this is about? When it comes to God, Jesus, Trump, Brexit, globalism, immigration, race, abortion, homosexuals, transsexuals, women, etc., we have those who long for the old days against those of us who see a future that discards those old ways.

Nostalgists envision coal miners and factory jobs as some sort of panacea. Somehow they forget how ****ty those jobs were. Maybe it's because most of them never had one of them. But, something they read or an image they saw once in a magazine sparks the memory of America when it was great. Well, let me tell ya, there is nothing great about working 12 hour days in a ****ing steel mill or down in a coal mine.

Futurists embrace a future where birth rates decline and borders disappear. We see a world where everyone can read and write and uses a computer to order the next big thing, which we then print out in our 3-D device and can use within two hours of placing our original order. We know factory jobs are a thing of the past, and we know coal is useless and out dated technology. We envision tapping energy from volcanoes and lightening not hard rock that gives people black lung to collect.


Between the two, I'm a futurist. And, I suspect the nostalgists are holding us back. They prefer to pray to their god that the candles stay lit. I want to send starships manned with robots to far off stars. We'll never agree, and maybe we may never again ever get along. It's war...perhaps even literally.

 

[Deuce]

No I don't think this is what it is all about.

 

[Captain Adverse]

Isn't that what all this is about? When it comes to God, Jesus, Trump, Brexit, globalism, immigration, race, abortion, homosexuals, transsexuals, women, etc., we have those who long for the old days against those of us who see a future that discards those old ways.

Nostalgists envision coal miners and factory jobs as some sort of panacea. Somehow they forget how ****ty those jobs were. Maybe it's because most of them never had one of them. But, something they read or an image they saw once in a magazine sparks the memory of America when it was great. Well, let me tell ya, there is nothing great about working 12 hour days in a ****ing steel mill or down in a coal mine.

Futurists embrace a future where birth rates decline and borders disappear. We see a world where everyone can read and write and uses a computer to order the next big thing, which we then print out in our 3-D device and can use within two hours of placing our original order. We know factory jobs are a thing of the past, and we know coal is useless and out dated technology. We envision tapping energy from volcanoes and lightening not hard rock that gives people black lung to collect.


Between the two, I'm a futurist. And, I suspect the nostalgists are holding us back. They prefer to pray to their god that the candles stay lit. I want to send starships manned with robots to far off stars. We'll never agree, and maybe we may never again ever get along. It's war...perhaps even literally.

Again with the attempt to categorize and put people into little boxes? Done to either shame them for being (insert denigrating label here), or be able to dismiss them as unworthy of consideration if they continue to disagree with (insert ideology here).

I'm sorry but I choose not to be labeled so conveniently, because I don't buy into the idea that people are so one-dimensional. :coffeepap:

 

[humbolt]

I prefer to think of it as phlebotomists vs. transfusionists. One sucks your blood out, and the other pumps it back in. So if we're having a bloodless coup, it's the phlebotomists causing it. There's just no doubt.

 

[Surrealistik]

Since the OP obviously had partisan charge, I feel compelled to note that establishment Dems aren't too much less of a threat to the future than Trump; they offer a softer brand of cyberpunk (gotta have dat futurist veneer) plutocratic corporatocracy, but it is plutocratic corporatocracy nonetheless.

 

[haymarket]

The future ain't what it use to be.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Isn't that what all this is about? When it comes to God, Jesus, Trump, Brexit, globalism, immigration, race, abortion, homosexuals, transsexuals, women, etc., we have those who long for the old days against those of us who see a future that discards those old ways.

Nostalgists envision coal miners and factory jobs as some sort of panacea. Somehow they forget how ****ty those jobs were. Maybe it's because most of them never had one of them. But, something they read or an image they saw once in a magazine sparks the memory of America when it was great. Well, let me tell ya, there is nothing great about working 12 hour days in a ****ing steel mill or down in a coal mine.

Futurists embrace a future where birth rates decline and borders disappear. We see a world where everyone can read and write and uses a computer to order the next big thing, which we then print out in our 3-D device and can use within two hours of placing our original order. We know factory jobs are a thing of the past, and we know coal is useless and out dated technology. We envision tapping energy from volcanoes and lightening not hard rock that gives people black lung to collect.


Between the two, I'm a futurist. And, I suspect the nostalgists are holding us back. They prefer to pray to their god that the candles stay lit. I want to send starships manned with robots to far off stars. We'll never agree, and maybe we may never again ever get along. It's war...perhaps even literally.

You cant chart a course if you dont know who you are, dont matter if the"you" is an individual or a collective.

But the people they be stupid now, and more alarmingly they seem to like it, smells ever so much like being a victim.... hip hip hurrah.... or somethin...

 

[Phys251]

Isn't that what all this is about? When it comes to God, Jesus, Trump, Brexit, globalism, immigration, race, abortion, homosexuals, transsexuals, women, etc., we have those who long for the old days against those of us who see a future that discards those old ways.

Nostalgists envision coal miners and factory jobs as some sort of panacea. Somehow they forget how ****ty those jobs were. Maybe it's because most of them never had one of them. But, something they read or an image they saw once in a magazine sparks the memory of America when it was great. Well, let me tell ya, there is nothing great about working 12 hour days in a ****ing steel mill or down in a coal mine.

Futurists embrace a future where birth rates decline and borders disappear. We see a world where everyone can read and write and uses a computer to order the next big thing, which we then print out in our 3-D device and can use within two hours of placing our original order. We know factory jobs are a thing of the past, and we know coal is useless and out dated technology. We envision tapping energy from volcanoes and lightening not hard rock that gives people black lung to collect.


Between the two, I'm a futurist. And, I suspect the nostalgists are holding us back. They prefer to pray to their god that the candles stay lit. I want to send starships manned with robots to far off stars. We'll never agree, and maybe we may never again ever get along. It's war...perhaps even literally.

I have heard it said that conservatives look to the past while liberals look to the future. We sure did see that in this last election, particularly with MAGA.

 

[Phys251]

Since the OP obviously had partisan charge, I feel compelled to note that establishment Dems aren't too much less of a threat to the future than Trump; they offer a softer brand of cyberpunk (gotta have dat futurist veneer) plutocratic corporatocracy, but it is plutocratic corporatocracy nonetheless.

Cyberpunk, eh? You wouldn't happen to be a Mr. Robot fan by chance, would you?

 

[Surrealistik]

Cyberpunk, eh? You wouldn't happen to be a Mr. Robot fan by chance, would you?

Very interested, and meant to binge it, but never found the time and ultimately forgot about the series. Now that you've mentioned it though, will probably renew my efforts to do so.

Neuromancer/Sprawl Trilogy, Blade Runner/Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep (the unofficial, or rather, non-Philip Dick sequels were disappointing however), Robocop, and Snow Crash are my mainstays as the genre goes. It's more than a little terrifying how prescience the genre has become when one considers the immense influence corporates have on modern society (and that average people, in practice, do not), as well as the trajectory and magnitude of wealth inequality; their future is now.

 

[Chomsky]

The future ain't what it use to be.

:mrgreen:

 

[Chomsky]

I have heard it said that conservatives look to the past while liberals look to the future. We sure did see that in this last election, particularly with MAGA.

It's also often said that conservatists respond to fear, and liberals to optimism.

I believe that, too a point.

 

[Henrin]

No. It's called difference of opinion. We all have our views on how things should be.

Also, supporting birth rates below replacement rates is pretty much the dumbest belief ever.

 

[Henrin]

I find it absolutely amazing how arrogant and utterly lacking in self awareness the left really is. Does a large percentage of the left really not see that they are not entirely for change and that the right is not entirely for the status quo or moving back? Nearly everyone wants change, wants some things to stay the same, and wants other things to be undone. For what appears to be a large part of the left to truly believe that they're the only ones for change is quite sad.

Oh and btw, this country largely supports liberal ideology, so you might want to realize at some point that you're the status quo. The majority can pretend all they want that they're the counter culture, but that doesn't make it so.

 

[Henrin]

I have heard it said that conservatives look to the past while liberals look to the future. We sure did see that in this last election, particularly with MAGA.

Would you like to tell me what laws you support? Tell me, do you think supporting a law as it currently stands is supporting the status quo? Is there any action that Trump took that perhaps you want to be undone? You know, like reversing his EO on transgender access to bathrooms.

 

[Henrin]

I have heard it said that conservatives look to the past while liberals look to the future. We sure did see that in this last election, particularly with MAGA.

You might also want to stop listening to people that don't know two ****s about political ideology.

 

[calamity]

No. It's called difference of opinion. We all have our views on how things should be.

Also, supporting birth rates below replacement rates is pretty much the dumbest belief ever.

With 7 billion people on earth, we do not need replacement level fertility. If it drops back down to 3 Billion, we can always ramp back up to replacement levels, especially with technology.

 

[Henrin]

With 7 billion people on earth, we do not need replacement level fertility. If it drops back down to 3 Billion, we can always ramp back up to replacement levels, especially with technology.

If people don't want children and have the means to avoid having them then they will simply avoid it. If the ability to kill sperm or retard it ever hit the market (both are possible and have been done) and is used then forget about it. In that the case the birth rate will probably be like 0.5 or below if men actually use it. The fact is once you give people the means to be below replacement rates then that is just the way it will be.

 

[calamity]

If people don't want children and have the means to avoid having them then they will simply avoid it. If the ability to kill sperm or retard it ever hit the market (both are possible and have been done) and is used then forget about it. In that the case the birth rate will probably be like 0.5 or below if men actually use it. The fact is once you give people the means to be below replacement rates then that is just the way it will be.

It's likely that some form of natural population control kicks in over the next couple decades. We are already seeing signs of it. Fun times.

 

[Henrin]

It's likely that some form of natural population control kicks in over the next couple decades. We are already seeing signs of it. Fun times.

The birth rates are below replacement already in most countries. The only thing keeping population growth going is immigration from ****holes and people living longer.

 

[calamity]

The birth rates are below replacement already in most countries. The only thing keeping population growth going is immigration from ****holes and people living longer.

People living longer and babies no longer dying like flies are why we have 7 billion people. It would be nice to knock it back down to 3.

 

[Henrin]

People living longer and babies no longer dying like flies are why we have 7 billion people. It would be nice to knock it back down to 3.

Why are you so intent on having less people?

 

[calamity]

Why are you so intent on having less people?

Because there are too many. Duh.

 

[calamity]

Again with the attempt to categorize and put people into little boxes? Done to either shame them for being (insert denigrating label here), or be able to dismiss them as unworthy of consideration if they continue to disagree with (insert ideology here).

I'm sorry but I choose not to be labeled so conveniently, because I don't buy into the idea that people are so one-dimensional. :coffeepap:

Let's explore this a little further, just for kicks.

Some Muslims want a Caliphate. Would you call that yearning for things nostalgic?

 

[Crovax]

Because there are too many. Duh.

You know there is something you could do about that