North Korea's Missile Launch

[repeter]

As you all know, North Korea is going to fire a missile into orbit someimte in the next few days. I think that we should launch a pre-emptive strike, destroying their missile on the ground, and then proceed with a ground attack. This would catch them off-balance, and would force them to the negotiation table. They have said they would attack us if we shot down the missile, so why waste time? We have some B1 Lancers, B2 Spirits, and some F-22 Raptors in Kadena, Japan I believe. Use them to pave the way for an attack on North Korea. The Raptors would kill the enemy air force. The spirits would destroy their airfields and other targets. The lacners would attack the border, in preperation for our attack. And of course, let the South Koreans know its time as well.

 

[RedAkston]

As you all know, North Korea is going to fire a missile into orbit someimte in the next few days. I think that we should launch a pre-emptive strike, destroying their missile on the ground, and then proceed with a ground attack. This would catch them off-balance, and would force them to the negotiation table. They have said they would attack us if we shot down the missile, so why waste time? We have some B1 Lancers, B2 Spirits, and some F-22 Raptors in Kadena, Japan I believe. Use them to pave the way for an attack on North Korea. The Raptors would kill the enemy air force. The spirits would destroy their airfields and other targets. The lacners would attack the border, in preperation for our attack. And of course, let the South Koreans know its time as well.

Ummm, how about NO. Wait, I mean HELL NO. The last thing we need is to attack N Korea. They would open up on S Korea and this would be a bad thing. N Korea has also threatened Japan recently IIRC. I'm all for us shooting their missile out of the sky, but launching any sort of attack on N Korea would be downright stupid.

 

[repeter]

Why? Besides the fact that we only have 28,000 of the best soldiers in the world there...and the fact that we only have about 20 aircraft in Japan, not counting any carriers we have in the area. All I'm saying is, they will attack if we shoot the missile down. We might as well attack them before they attack us right? They don;t exactly have a lot of men, and weapons to go around do they? And the ones they do are god knows how old. They are COmmunist for gods sakes, we would whup them so bad with our high-tech JDAMS and such.

 

[RedAkston]

Why? Besides the fact that we only have 28,000 of the best soldiers in the world there...and the fact that we only have about 20 aircraft in Japan, not counting any carriers we have in the area. All I'm saying is, they will attack if we shoot the missile down. We might as well attack them before they attack us right? They don;t exactly have a lot of men, and weapons to go around do they? And the ones they do are god knows how old. They are COmmunist for gods sakes, we would whup them so bad with our high-tech JDAMS and such.

HUGE difference between shooting their missile out of the sky and firing on them directly. I doubt N Korea would attack if we just shot down their missile.

 

[bhkad]

As you all know, North Korea is going to fire a missile into orbit someimte in the next few days. I think that we should launch a pre-emptive strike, destroying their missile on the ground, and then proceed with a ground attack. This would catch them off-balance, and would force them to the negotiation table. They have said they would attack us if we shot down the missile, so why waste time? We have some B1 Lancers, B2 Spirits, and some F-22 Raptors in Kadena, Japan I believe. Use them to pave the way for an attack on North Korea. The Raptors would kill the enemy air force. The spirits would destroy their airfields and other targets. The lacners would attack the border, in preperation for our attack. And of course, let the South Koreans know its time as well.

The only reason we'd shoot their missile down is if its trajectory suggested it would hit US or an ally.

 

[repeter]

Well, North Korea has stated that the rocket will drop it's first phase NW of Japan. The second phase will be dropped somewhere NW of Hawii. That could possibly be a problem, and that could be our ultimatum.

"The trajectory of the rocket is expected to pass over Japan. Tokyo says it will shoot down the rocket, if it seems like it will threaten Japanese territory. The North Korean news agency says Pyongyang would respond to such an action by 'mercilessly dealing deadly blows,' not only at Japan's anti-missile facilities but at 'other major targets' as well."

The source for this is at the bottom.

North Korea also said somewhere else that if Japan peacefully shot down debris, they would attack. I couldn't find that, sorry. With all this information at hand, I think we should attack. The chances of them not doing something are becoming more and more unlikely, therefore we should get our shots in where it counts. Their leaders. Thinking about it, if we kill Kim, their entire country will be headless for a tiny bit. And we can use that to turn the Korean Peninsula into just plain old Korea, and a Democratic one at that.

Digital Chosunilbo (English Edition) : Daily News in English About Koreahttp://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200904/200904030004.html

 

[Tashah]

Not a good idea. North Korea has thousands of long range artillery and multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS) forward deployed near the DMZ. Seoul would be devastated in a matter of hours.

A South Korean security analyst suggested that DPRK artillery pieces of calibers 170mm and 240mm "could fire 10,000 rounds per minute to Seoul and its environs." Given all of North Korea's artillery along on the DMZ, it has been estimated that the KPA could fire over 5 million artillery shells per hour.

NTI: Country Overviews: North Korea

 

[OutoftheBox]

I'm watching out more with how Japan reacts to the launch than the reactions by the US. As for the US getting involved using her military, she has her hands very full juggling Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan, in which is another nuclear country to hold great concern over.

 

[repeter]

Ahh send the PACFLT Carriers after them. Plus some re-enactment of MacArthur's attack on N. Korea, we can take them. If we reacted maybe 3 days ago, my plan would be plausible. Now that the launch is coming very very soon, we won't be able to put our forces into place. I still think that we can kill Kim with our air force in Japan. Some B2's, B1's, and F-22's. I also think there are some B-52's but I'm not sure.

 

[bhkad]

Well, North Korea has stated that the rocket will drop it's first phase NW of Japan. The second phase will be dropped somewhere NW of Hawii. That could possibly be a problem, and that could be our ultimatum.

"The trajectory of the rocket is expected to pass over Japan. Tokyo says it will shoot down the rocket, if it seems like it will threaten Japanese territory. The North Korean news agency says Pyongyang would respond to such an action by 'mercilessly dealing deadly blows,' not only at Japan's anti-missile facilities but at 'other major targets' as well."

The source for this is at the bottom.

North Korea also said somewhere else that if Japan peacefully shot down debris, they would attack. I couldn't find that, sorry. With all this information at hand, I think we should attack. The chances of them not doing something are becoming more and more unlikely, therefore we should get our shots in where it counts. Their leaders. Thinking about it, if we kill Kim, their entire country will be headless for a tiny bit. And we can use that to turn the Korean Peninsula into just plain old Korea, and a Democratic one at that.

Digital Chosunilbo (English Edition) : Daily News in English About Koreahttp://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200904/200904030004.html

We can tell whether the trajectory aims for US or an ally and we would not shoot at a rocket merely passing over Japan nor at the falling stages of a depleted rocket booster landing in the ocean.

Your hawkishness in this matter is noteworthy.

 

[repeter]

What we would do is negligible. Japan has said repeatedly that they would shoot down debris. N. Korea has said repeatedly that they would attack Japan if they did that, for whatever reason. It's a safe bet that something is going to happen over this. All I'm saying is that we can attack them before they attack Japan, simply because we can reasonably infer that North Korea is going to attack Japan.

Plus, I think we are all getting a bit tired of North Korea's rants, and the fact that they think they control us, with all their tough talk. If the per-emptive strike goes good enough, we might be able tp push them into the negotiation tables, and then stop it, while still getting some hits in where it counts. Besides the fact that they might try to nuke South Korea, which I don't think will happen for economic reasons, nothing much could go wrong. The people would be happy if we had a succesful campaign, and that would translate into a better economy for us. FDR was supposedly saved by WWII; this might save us now.

North Korea won't nuke South Korea for several reasons. First, they want that land, and they probably won't want to spoil it with radiation. Second, they would either be completely killed or the UN would place so many sanctions, that they would starve to death. So, I seriously doubt they would use a nuclear weapon. They might be Communists, but that doesn;t mean they are stupid, it just means they're always hungry, and angry.

 

[bhkad]

What we would do is negligible. Japan has said repeatedly that they would shoot down debris. N. Korea has said repeatedly that they would attack Japan if they did that, for whatever reason. It's a safe bet that something is going to happen over this. All I'm saying is that we can attack them before they attack Japan, simply because we can reasonably infer that North Korea is going to attack Japan.

Plus, I think we are all getting a bit tired of North Korea's rants, and the fact that they think they control us, with all their tough talk. If the per-emptive strike goes good enough, we might be able tp push them into the negotiation tables, and then stop it, while still getting some hits in where it counts. Besides the fact that they might try to nuke South Korea, which I don't think will happen for economic reasons, nothing much could go wrong. The people would be happy if we had a succesful campaign, and that would translate into a better economy for us. FDR was supposedly saved by WWII; this might save us now.

North Korea won't nuke South Korea for several reasons. First, they want that land, and they probably won't want to spoil it with radiation. Second, they would either be completely killed or the UN would place so many sanctions, that they would starve to death. So, I seriously doubt they would use a nuclear weapon. They might be Communists, but that doesn;t mean they are stupid, it just means they're always hungry, and angry.

I think the world generally ignores Kim's rants but focuses on his actions.

Sticks and stones can break your bones but rants will never harm you.

Going to war over rants and tough talk isn't sensible.

 

[repeter]

I think the world generally ignores Kim's rants but focuses on his actions.

Sticks and stones can break your bones but rants will never harm you.

Going to war over rants and tough talk isn't sensible.

You're right, we should wait until after they attack Japan for shooting down some junk. That's completely sensible as well. As long as Kim doesn;t follow through with his words, then it's fine, but we don't know if he will or not. I think that if there is a chance at said action occuring, then we should act as if it will happen. There is a likely chance that Kim will attack Japan, and we might as well attack him first, and cut the head off the snake.

 

[bhkad]

You're right, we should wait until after they attack Japan for shooting down some junk. That's completely sensible as well. As long as Kim doesn;t follow through with his words, then it's fine, but we don't know if he will or not. I think that if there is a chance at said action occuring, then we should act as if it will happen. There is a likely chance that Kim will attack Japan, and we might as well attack him first, and cut the head off the snake.

There's nothing you've said that makes me think they are LIKELY to attack Japan.

I know that is what you believe but I think you, also, want a reason to attack them.

 

[repeter]

There's nothing you've said that makes me think they are LIKELY to attack Japan.

I know that is what you believe but I think you, also, want a reason to attack them.

Ahhh you caught me. I want to wipe them out to remind the world we still have the best military around. I do think ,though, that they will attack Japan for shooting down debris. They have said so, and I like to believe what people say. If they don't good, they just showed everyone they are too weak to follow through. If they do....well then I guess I can say "I told you so."

 

[thepyro222]

I don't think that North korea would attack the US or one of it's allies, beacuse they know that we are militarily superior, and we could pretty much blow up the world if we wanted to. If they shot a biological weapon or a nuke at us of something like that, we'd probably blow them off the face of the Earth. Depending if there is a liberal or a Conservative as president, though.

 

[bhkad]

North Korea said to launch rocket - Los Angeles Times

North Korea said to launch rocket

Ending several days of high alert in East Asia, the rocket reportedly crosses Japanese air space before landing in the Pacific. Japan had threatened to shoot it down.

By John M. Glionna

8:22 PM PDT, April 4, 2009

Reporting from Seoul — North Korea launched what was believed to be a multi-stage rocket on Sunday, ending weeks of speculation about the regime's efforts to expand its ability to deliver nuclear weapons.

The North Korean news agency announced that a rocket was launched about 11:30 a.m. The U.S. State Department, the South Korean president's office and Japanese media reports confirmed the launch.

The rocket reportedly crossed Japanese air space before plunging into the Pacific Ocean, according to press reports from Japan. Japanese officials apparently did not attempt to shoot down the rocket, as they had threatened to do.

North Korea had said it planned to put a communications satellite into space. But many analysts predicted that the launch would actually be a test of the regime's ability to use the three-stage Taepodong 2 to deliver a warhead.

South Korea's Yonhap news agency quoted government officials in Seoul as saying that the rocket carried a satellite. That report was not immediately confirmed.

*YAWN*

 

[repeter]

Wow. Well, I feel somewhat stupid. I thought Japan was going to shoot it down. That ended something potentially interesting.

 

[bhkad]

Wow. Well, I feel somewhat stupid. I thought Japan was going to shoot it down. That ended something potentially interesting.

Newt Gingrich agreed with you.

VIDEO: Newt: I would've disabled missile
By: Mike Allen
April 5, 2009 09:40 AM EST

Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich told “Fox News Sunday” that he would have disabled the long-range missile before North Korea launched it, saying too many people “do not appreciate the scale of the threat that is evolving on the planet.”

“One morning, just like 9/11, there’s going to be a disaster,” Gingrich said. “I have yet to see the United Nations do anything effective with either Iran or North Korea.”

Reacting to President Barack Obama’s speech in Prague, Gingrich called the plan for a Global Summit on Nuclear Security a “wonderful fantasy idea,” saying Russia and other nations can’t be trusted.

“What are they going to promise, and why would we believe them?” Gingrich said. “It’s very dangerous to have a fantasy foreign policy, and it can get you in enormous trouble.”

Host Chris Wallace asked Gingrich: “So you’re saying that President Gingrich would have taken out that” missile?

Gingrich replied: “There are three or four techniques that could have been used, from unconventional forces to standoff capabilities, to say: ‘We’re not going to tolerate a North Korean missile launch, period.’ I mean, the world’s either got to decide that North Korea is utterly dangerous … I’d recommend, look at electromagnetic pulse, which changes every … equation about how risky these weapons are.”

VIDEO: Newt: I would've disabled missile - Mike Allen - POLITICO.com

The EMP danger is one I'd overlooked. :3oops:

 

[repeter]

Newt Gingrich agreed with you.



VIDEO: Newt: I would've disabled missile - Mike Allen - POLITICO.com

The EMP danger is one I'd overlooked. :3oops:

Hehe, so did I....I was thinking all out death and destruction....too many video games lol. But seriously, Gingtrich has a point, we could have EMPed their missile, and we might as well have done that to their entire country. Then, we could have gone on and done what ever needed to be done.