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Truth Detector whining about liberals. How different.
Hint: most liberals agreed with President Bush on Afghanistan.
Well, in truth, there are NO options because of the way the Liberals all over the world and in the US have treated Bush and his administration for actually doing something about Afghanistan and Iraq.
Ya'll are all missing the big picture here.
2006, NK fires a squib shot nuclear test. This was in reaction to the US stance towards the country at the time. We reacted strongly and got NK to shut it's program down.
The writing on the wall as stated by Osama Bin Laden is this; the Western Nations have no stomach for war and will run away if they suffer even the most moderate of casualties.
The actions of the Liberal Democrats and Liberals all over the world will once more come back to haunt them.
And then he's regime would be forcibly removed from power. The last thing it wants. People have these notions that states like North Korea and Iran will act in a manner that results in their regimes' end despite years of doing everything they can to stay in power.
Yes, but only after perhaps 100,000's of lives are lost; what a GREAT policy! :roll:
Here, let me attempt to describe the SERIOUS way in which this feckless inexperienced Community Organization of the United States along with the feckless and nearly USELESS United Community Organization Nations will respond:
"YOU BETTER STOP IT YOU MEANIES OR THIS TIME WE REALLY, REALLY, REALLY MEANT IT!!!" (Caveat: However, we will not use military force anymore and do not torture so anything you do will not have any ramifications or result in serious attempts to rein you in; we're going to beat you with a higher morality than you have ever seen before! Take that you despot you! )
NOBODY messes with the Community Organization of the UNited States unless they want to get beat with our higher moral gound. YES!
This of course will send waves of fear running down the spines of despots and dictators the world over and cause them to shake in their jack booted booties.
:rofl
Yes, but only after perhaps 100,000's of lives are lost; what a GREAT policy! :roll:
Well, in truth, there are NO options because of the way the Liberals all over the world and in the US have treated Bush and his administration for actually doing something about Afghanistan and Iraq.
The writing on the wall as stated by Osama Bin Laden is this; the Western Nations have no stomach for war and will run away if they suffer even the most moderate of casualties.
The actions of the Liberal Democrats and Liberals all over the world will once more come back to haunt them.
Had the world stood behind Bush and his Administration and we as a nation had staunchly supported the efforts our politicians VOTED for; the actions of Iran, Syria and North Korea would be very different.
But alas, we have all but criminalized Bush for being a man of action and decision and clearly told the world that we will NEVER be able to send troops anywhere in the world nor will we torture their combatants for any information that could save lives; they will all get constitutional protections.
Yes you are indeed right Obvious; NOTHING will and CAN be done because the whiney wimpy spoiled brats of today’s world know NOTHING of history or what REAL sacrifice is and will willingly give up their freedoms and morals for peaceful submission to their enemies.
Gee, here I thought it was the mainstream Liberal media who did that; but then, this is another of your "because you say so's."
I am always amused how with Liberals like you it is either Bush or the Conservatives who are always to blame; it is trite and amusing, but you would think that at some point you could parrot a new Leftist talking point; this one after all is very OLD.
Yes, but only after perhaps 100,000's of lives are lost; what a GREAT policy! :roll:
I admire the eloquence with which you attack your own opinions
Wow....I'm looking for the relevant point hidden in the box of Cracker Jack hyperpartisan rhetoric here.
I admire the eloquence with which you attack your own opinions
South Korea/Japan will likely start going nuclear...maybe Taiwan/Australia
Umm....he went from law student to "community organizer" to politician. He's never been anything BUT a layabout.wtf?
Dude, you can think Obama has ****ty ideas all you want, but he's obviously an incredibly brilliant guy. It's not like before he was elected he was an unemployed layabout.
And how would you propose that we "give" the North Korean people the opportunity to choose, other than by exerting military force, which certainly won't happen under our current Administration.Who gives a damn about "instructing" anyone? I'm not suggesting we go to the North Koreans sounding like Mr Rogers and saying "won't you be my neighbor?" I'm suggesting we find ways to give the North Korean people the opportunity to choose between a full belly and Kim's insanity. If that means toppling Kim and accepting some other dictator in his place, I'm ok with that.
The goal is (or should be) a de-nuclearized North Korea. A democratic North Korea would be a bonus, but that's all.
Uh huh, and you want rogue loons to have nukes. You just don't have any credibility.No, interventionists are the ones who hate the US.
What is far from certain, however, is which choices will accomplish that and which choices will accomplish their demise.
The concern should be less that North Korea will behave irrationally and more that North Korea will behave rationally but erroneously.
I do think, though, that at the time the DPRK was founded, the threat was very real, and only really collapsed after the invasion of Iraq was deemed a disaster. The Iraq invasion, though, posed a real threat, as it was the first "preemptive invasion", which basically made the threat that the US could/would invade any nation it wanted without provocation. Considering the fact that the DPRK has historically been one of the US's biggest enemies, I think that the threat, while not incredibly real or pressing, is understandable when perceived in such a way.
I don't know exactly how true this is. Last I heard aid and trade to the DPRK were being further restricted by China, South Korea and Japan, which leads me to believe that the allocation of resources to military expenditures isn't the sole reason for the food crisis in the country.
People also have these notions that an aggressive action by a nation will always be met with the destruction of that regime's power.
I don't have the slightest shred of doubt that China will make a move toward Taiwan at some point in the future. Does that mean they're going to lose control of their country? No, it means they're going to do it at a time when they believe the reward is worth the risk.
Similarly, countries like NK or Iran may very well take action that you or I would consider irrational, because they may view things differently.
The view you're espousing is a nice one, because it would mean that no belligerent nation would ever do something risky and out of line. I think that's too much to hope for.
The reason why nobody will ever invade them is because they have 15,000 guns fixed on Seoul and could kill 1-3 million within 20 minutes. When you look at it from that perspective, their actions here are perfectly rational and even more dangerous.
Or like when Russia invaded Georgia. Or like when Israel invaded Lebanon. Or like the conflict in Darfur. Nobody in those conflicts thought that we (or anyone else) would step in and stop it, and they were right.
Fact remains that in the majority of conflicts where a perfect world would demand an international response, nobody in the real world does anything about it.
If they're backed into a corner with no way out, I can see it as a possibility.
North Korea is dying, and it wouldn't surprise me to see them invade the south in a last ditch attempt at forceful reunification.
And who pray tell, would remove them from power? The United States under the administration of President Obama, who has assured us that small counties are no threat? I hardly think so.
No, you are seeing the first fruits of our abandonment of asstertiveness on the global stage.
They have not proven they can actually deliver the device, but NK, while rather insane, is not a country of suicidal maniacs. This was more to get "respect" and concessions from the US and others. No the real fear here, that they are working with, as they have in the past, Iran, and Iran is using NK to cover for it's own nuclear program.
South Korea/Japan will likely start going nuclear...maybe Taiwan/Australia
Uh huh, and you want rogue loons to have nukes. You just don't have any credibility.
Yeah right. Go to sleep, we'll wake you when you're needed.It's not a matter of wanting, it's a matter of it's none of our business what they do.
I already suggested one way. There are others. Put some ships stuffed with grain off the coast near Chongjin and Wonsan. Unfurl some nice big banners with something like "free food from the free world" to get people's attention. If famine is half the problem it has been in the past, that will definitely get people's attention--and when hungry people can see the food their government is keeping them from having, more than a few are likely to be upset about that.And how would you propose that we "give" the North Korean people the opportunity to choose, other than by exerting military force, which certainly won't happen under our current Administration.
They don't know he's insane. That much is a given. This is not about what they know, but what they believe. Right now, they believe Kim is some mythic leader who is protecting them and their way of life. We don't need to persuade them Kim is insane, we need to undercut their belief in him as a leader.And what in Earth would make one think that the North Korean citizenry is aware that their leader is insane? All media is rigidly controlled in that unhappy State, so to what could they possibly compare?
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