North Dakota Senate approves "heartbeat" abortion ban

[Removable Mind]

Oh, I thought the troll was obvious. I have said in previous posts that I am not pro-life but I don't think I've really defined my personal position on the issue. The argument for banning it after a human heart beat makes sense to me, therefore I support it.

I didn't think you were trolling. That wasn't my point in either post.

Alrighty then, know we all know where you stand.

Thanks...

 

[ReformCollege]

I didn't think you were trolling. That wasn't my point in either post.

Alrighty then, know we all know where you stand.

Thanks...

I consider anyone who screams "back alley abortions!!!" at every single abortion debate a troll. My policy of dealing with trolls is to one up them.

 

[joko104]

I approve of the death penalty for child molestation, rape incestuous child molestation and incestuous rape. However, no unborn fetus has ever committed these acts, and I disapprove of administering the death penalty to the easiest target rather than the guilty party. .

Yes, you do to the easiest target - the 12 year old raped by her father.

Do you also want to send a card to the rapist to assure him that while he is dying, he will live on forever thru the beautiful child he made thru raping the mother?

It is astonishing how pro-life believes a woman has NO right to:
1. Select who will bio-father her children.
2. No right to decide if her child to has father.
3. No right to not want to be a single parent (on average at under age 18.
4. No right to determine if she has a child.

She does have a right to die in pregnancy and labor, she has a right for everyone to know her child was produced by rape and she has the right to be blessed with a rape child - - - oh, and pro-life also gives her the right to fully abandon the child at birth because children don't have a right to parents.

If you have ANY iota to offer how executing the rapist helps the girl, you be sure and let us all know.

 

[joko104]

The heartbeat is present at 18 days [when the mother is only four days late for her first menstrual period]. So the law is that abortion is only legal prior to the 13 year old girl knowing she is pregnant from being raped by her step-father. A very sadistic law by some very, very amoral Republicans.

Is it illegal for teenage girls to commit suicide in that state? If not, that still is a legal option that many still have.

 

[joko104]

I consider anyone who screams "back alley abortions!!!" at every single abortion debate a troll. My policy of dealing with trolls is to one up them.

Its simplier than that really. The Republicans who pass such laws can afford to send their children or travel themselves out of state. Their target is young teenage girls of low income families. The business and corporate class want future low income workers, but not people who can have enough education to challenge them later for their positions.

Very evil people.

 

[ReformCollege]

Its simplier than that really. The Republicans who pass such laws can afford to send their children or travel themselves out of state. Their target is young teenage girls of low income families. The business and corporate class want future low income workers, but not people who can have enough education to challenge them later for their positions.

Very evil people.

I don't find your point very convincing. I don't think one should be able to abort a live human. I define that as at 7 weeks since gestation as a cutoff.

 

[nota bene]

The heartbeat is present at 18 days [when the mother is only four days late for her first menstrual period]. So the law is that abortion is only legal prior to the 13 year old girl knowing she is pregnant from being raped by her step-father. A very sadistic law by some very, very amoral Republicans.

Is it illegal for teenage girls to commit suicide in that state? If not, that still is a legal option that many still have.

You aren't advocating for suicide as a solution to an unwanted pregnancy, though, are you?

 

[joko104]

I don't find your point very convincing. I don't think one should be able to abort a live human. I define that as at 7 weeks since gestation as a cutoff.

No, of course not. Your a man. Why the hell should you care? Its nothing but platitudes about why you should have life-death total power over women.

Just out of curiousity, any risks or suffering you should also face too? What about the government requiring you to accept an abandoned, seriously handcapped child that you must raise as your child in all regards or your go to prison? That'd be fair, right?

In fact, why don't you do that now anyway?

 

[joko104]

You aren't advocating for suicide as a solution to an unwanted pregnancy, though, are you?

Just clarifying what options pro-life intends to leave to a young teen or woman to not have a child for a rapist.

More pregnant and postpartum mothers die because of suicide than die from infection, high blood pressure and hemorrhage combined. Furthermore depressive and anxiety states are very common during pregnancy.
Pregnant Teens are Prone to Depression and Suicide

And that is with the option of abortion for unwanted pregnancies - which are 49% of all pregnancies.

But you will find plenty of pro-lifers, certainly on this forum, that want a teenage girl who has an abortion to die, so the suicides would be a lesser evil to them. Certainly less than allowing the abortion of a fetus produced by rape. There is NOTHING MORE EVIL possible for anyone to do than a young girl having an abortion not willing to be pregnant by and have the baby of a rapist - or her father/step-father/mother's boyfriend.

 

[OKgrannie]

I have a great-uncle who was born at 5 months, weighing less than a pound. he lived to 98 years old and never missed a day of work due to illness . about 5 babies a year survive being born at 5 months gestation, and by survive I mean live to healthy old age, barring accident or unrelated illness. pain is felt in nerve endings. a child at 20 weeks gestation can no more feel pain than a houseplant. you then said "Fetuses do not feel pain at 20 weeks. I'm having a hard time following your time line, it seems abortion is illegal until 20 weeks, then legal with permission for a week and half, then illegal again?" um now you just contradicted your eariler statement about fetuses feeling pain at 20 week, and you just plain made up the idea of abortion being illegal for 20 weeks and then legal again for a week and a half. I said the opposite, that's not a failure to follow my logic, that's a failure to be able to read. .

The shortest gestation on record with a surviving child is 21 weeks and 6 days. Stories, myths, abound about premature births, most of those mothers probably didn't even know when conception occurred. So unless your great-uncle was born within the last few years, I doubt it.

Earliest surviving preemie to stay in hospital - Health - Children's health | NBC News

A girl born after just under 22 weeks in the womb — among the shortest gestation periods known for a live birth — will remain in a hospital a few extra days as a precaution, officials said Tuesday.

 

[disneydude]

If you don't know the definition by now then I can't help you.........Sorry.

Cmon Navy...what exactly are "Family Values"? I suspect that they differ from family to family. What I DO know is that those who most often cry the loudest about morality and "family values" are almost always the ones that have skeletons in their own closets. In other words, they are usually Hypocrites of the purest form.

 

[joko104]

I seriously doubt if true family values has changed that much and if you don't know the definition I can't help you.

The "if you don't know I'm not going to tell you" response?

 

[AmericanWoman76]

The shortest gestation on record with a surviving child is 21 weeks and 6 days. Stories, myths, abound about premature births, most of those mothers probably didn't even know when conception occurred. So unless your great-uncle was born within the last few years, I doubt it.

Earliest surviving preemie to stay in hospital - Health - Children's health | NBC News

A girl born after just under 22 weeks in the womb — among the shortest gestation periods known for a live birth — will remain in a hospital a few extra days as a precaution, officials said Tuesday.

Doubting every fact that doesn't fit with your pre-conception. charming.

 

[OKgrannie]

Doubting every fact that doesn't fit with your pre-conception. charming.

Spreading old wives' tales as though fact...charming. Claiming authority where none exists....charming.

 

[Navy Pride]

Navy...I've taken Mind Reading 101 hundreds, if not thousands of times...and I flunked it every time.

If you don't share what you believe it means...then I'm afraid that nobody at DP can read your mind.

I assure you that everybody doesn't share the same beliefs regarding the definition of "family", "values"...and/or "family values".

So...I doubt that you have a common belief of what that term means...that everybody else does.

But, it's up to you.

Sorry but you are wrong as a child growing up you are taught family values...

 

[Removable Mind]

Sorry but you are wrong as a child growing up you are taught family values...

Are the same identical values taught in all families?

 

[choiceone]

I approve of the death penalty for child molestation, rape incestuous child molestation and incestuous rape. However, no unborn fetus has ever committed these acts, and I disapprove of administering the death penalty to the easiest target rather than the guilty party. .

You make it very clear that you believe in justice for the criminal and injustice for the victim of the crime.

 

[joko104]

Sorry but you are wrong as a child growing up you are taught family values...

There were no family values that I was taught or saw when I grew up. Zero. Sadism. Violence. Nothing else.

I have concluded when a person says "family values" they really just mean whatever that particular person thinks.

 

[AmericanWoman76]

You make it very clear that you believe in justice for the criminal and injustice for the victim of the crime.

Wow you found those words inside your head to put in my mouth? you may need immediate psychiatric help.