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[Juin]

Russia and Germany were not part of the Libyan fiasco.. credit to both. The blood of ten years of non-ending civil war
slave trade, migrant abuses thru Libya to Europe and the demise of Libya's high standard of living under qadaffi are another NATO fiasco
Hillary and Susan Rice both lied us into regime change, when the UN authorization was only for a "no fly" zone

Cold War 2.0 Warriors are completely oblivious and indifferent to the horrendous cost in lives and materials of their Crusades. The fact that their interventions leave the victims without the promised democracy, no stability, no security, hundreds of thousands dead, infrastructures destroyed does not give them any pause.

 

[anatta]

PutinTrumpRowers have demonstrated in the absolute they are unrelenting and irrepressive in their determined pursuit of an authoritarian United States of America ruled over by the Rowers themselves as the servants of Moscow. Given Moscow is currently aligned in an axis with Beijing that means your absurd and naive triangulation of USA & Russia vs the CCP-PRC is the most unreal politik since Hitler declared war against the United States in December 1941 after the attack on Pearl Harbor.

Progressives are the "authoritarians" - pushing governement into every nook and cranny -and not just vaxx mandates
I wish Trump was "authoritarian" maybe he could have gotten the wall built without Pelosi's never ending "nein"

 

[anatta]

Cold War 2.0 Warriors are completely oblivious and indifferent to the horrendous cost in lives and materials of their Crusades. The fact that their interventions leave the victims without the promised democracy, no stability, no security, hundreds of thousands dead, infrastructures destroyed does not give them any pause.

lol. they are on a mission to"spread democracy" -when they only spread destruction

 

[Tangmo]

The chessboard I am talking about is the Eastern European Board. The game of chess inside Russia is over. Putin won that one decisively.

20 years ago.

So do try to keep current.

Putin for instance sent forces that seized Crimea but Putin had no plan to anticipate the desperate need of the peninsula for fresh water that it has suffered since shortly afterward. Any competent military strategist would have anticipated Kyiv damming the canal from the Dnieper that supplied 85% of the peninsula fresh water supplies.

Indeed, if you lived in Crimea today you'd always need a shave and a haircut.

 

[Tangmo]

lol. they are on a mission to"spread democracy" -when they only spread destruction

You still haven't said how the Polonium market is theze dayze.

 

[anatta]

20 years ago.

So do try to keep current.

Putin for instance sent forces that seized Crimea but Putin had no plan to anticipate the desperate need of the peninsula for fresh water that it has suffered since shortly afterward. Any competent military strategist would have anticipated Kyiv damming the canal from the Dnieper that supplied 85% of the peninsula fresh water supplies.

Indeed, if you lived in Crimea today you'd always need a shave and a haircut.

I doubt Putin would have considered the evil inhuman deed of denying fresh water. Maybe that's a failing on his part

 

[anatta]

You still haven't said how the Polonium market is theze dayze.

junk. one trick pony noise. realpolitik doesn't concern itself from a nation P.O.V. any more the the Uighers
means we have to put that as a primary impediment to relations

 

[Tangmo]

Progressives are the "authoritarians" - pushing governement into every nook and cranny -and not just vaxx mandates
I wish Trump was "authoritarian" maybe he could have gotten the wall built without Pelosi's never ending "nein"

Mexico wouldn't pay for it.

 

[Tangmo]

I doubt Putin would have considered the evil inhuman deed of denying fresh water. Maybe that's a failing on his part

The occupying force is responsible under international law and the Geneva accords.

Russia is the occupying force of Crimea.

Deal with it.

 

[Tangmo]

junk. one trick pony noise. realpolitik doesn't concern itself from a nation P.O.V. any more the the Uighers
means we have to put that as a primary impediment to relations

You guys from Flynn to Giuliani are unrelenting and relentless to bring fascism to the USA.

Energizer Bunnies with armbands.

Never say die over there.

 

[Tangmo]

the benefit of realpolitik is we can relate on a mutual basis to advance common intersts ( which helps stabilize and bring peace) instead of "human rights" crap ( Biden ) that doesn't necessarily serve our geo-political interests

and man did China throw that back in Blinken's face at Anchorage! Biden runs around and says we are "systemic racist"
and China used that to their advantage

Strictly CCP propaganda.

Same stuff as Putin's Kremlin propaganda.

By the propagandists.

 

[anatta]

Strictly CCP propaganda.

Same stuff as Putin's Kremlin propaganda.

By the propagandists.

complete inability on your part to address the fact "human rights" metric by Biden undermines his emphasis on human rights by his
condemnation of the USA
The rest of your post are tedious, unresponsive and warmed over regurgitation

 

[Tangmo]

complete inability on your part to address the fact "human rights" metric by Biden undermines his emphasis on human rights by his condemnation of the USA The rest of your post are tedious, unresponsive and warmed over regurgitation

I'm still looking for the time your posts begin to make any sense.

Your plan unmistakably is to post unrelentingly and without any variance until the other side collapses or quits due to the futility of rebutting and reaming your vacuous posts. You actually posted in scrolling you wish Trump were an authoritarian because then he would have got his wall. So it turns out your realpolitik is to wish upon a star. Hellova wish that it is too.

 

[anatta]

I'm still looking for the time your posts begin to make any sense.

Your plan unmistakably is to post unrelentingly and without any variance until the other side collapses or quits due to the futility of rebutting and reaming your vacuous posts. You actually posted in scrolling you wish Trump were an authoritarian because then he would have got his wall. So it turns out your realpolitik is to wish upon a star. Hellova wish that it is too.

I see context is beyond your ability, so to clarify - you were ranting something about authoritarians or Trumpolini...whatever it was.
I said to the effect "I wish he was authoritarian and he could have gotten the wall finished"

Not that I was calling for Trumpolini to illegally build by authoritarian means....or wishing on a star for that matter.

i'm going to have to speak to you in very small bites without trying to incorporate an overarching concept.
That's difficult in that compound ideas are in play in foreign / international affairs.

 

[Tangmo]

I see context is beyond your ability, so to clarify - you were ranting something about authoritarians or Trumpolini...whatever it was.
I said to the effect "I wish he was authoritarian and he could have gotten the wall finished"

Not that I was calling for Trumpolini to illegally build by authoritarian means....or wishing on a star for that matter.

Here is what you wrote:

I wish Trump was "authoritarian" maybe he could have gotten the wall built without Pelosi's never ending "nein"

You are clear you want the rule of men without the rule of law.

You want the ruler himself to make the rules. The authoritarian ruler makes the authoritarian rules absent checks and balances, coequal branches of government that are independent and separate from one another.

You like the pardoned Nixon and his, "If the President does it, then it's not illegal."

You like Louis XIV even better, "L'etat, c'est moi" when everything the ruler did was legal because it was done by the ruler himself who was singularly the state and the government.

You like Trumpolini and will post for him till the end of time all the time while saying anything exactly on time. You are what we fought against to defeat throughout the 20th century, Germany during the first half and Russia during the second half.

 

[anatta]

Here is what you wrote:


You are clear you want the rule of men without the rule of law.

You want the ruler himself to make the rules. The authoritarian ruler makes the authoritarian rules absent checks and balances, coequal branches of government that are independent and separate from one another.

You like the pardoned Nixon and his, "If the President does it, then it's not illegal."

You like Louis XIV even better, "L'etat, c'est moi" when everything the ruler did was legal because it was done by the ruler himself who was singularly the state and the government.

You like Trumpolini and will post for him till the end of time all the time while saying anything exactly on time. You are what we fought against to defeat throughout the 20th century, Germany during the first half and Russia during the second half.

you're a nut case. I even put "authoritarian" in quotes why would I put just that in quotes but to signify it was your usage I was responding to
-and not me calling Trump an actual authoritarian? Do I gotta mark things *sarc* or s.i.c. now for you?

PutinTrumpRowers have demonstrated in the absolute they are unrelenting and irrepressive in their determined pursuit of an authoritarian United States of America ruled over by the Rowers themselves as the servants of Moscow.

then you go on a rant about the French Revolution,(and never bother to show Trump was an authoritarian)..

I hate going over posts arguing for meaning. I can understand things being missed in context 1x but when I get some Goober still who wants
to argue about what I said after I clarify then I have reached the point where the The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ, moves on

 

[Tangmo]

you're a nut case. I even put "authoritarian" in quotes why would I put just that in quotes but to signify it was your usage I was responding to
-and not me calling Trump an actual authoritarian? Do I gotta mark things *sarc* or s.i.c. now for you?

then you go on a rant about the French Revolution,(and never bother to show Trump was an authoritarian)..

I hate going over posts arguing for meaning. I can understand things being missed in context 1x but when I get some Goober still who wants
to argue about what I said after I clarify then I have reached the point where the The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ, moves on

Kindly do move on, yes -- any reason true or false will suffice thx.

Still I couldn't help but notice that new limp you have as you were walking away. I've seen that before in many others btw.

I sincerely hope it gets better and soon.

Keep me posted plse thx.

Because I care.

 

[Rogue Valley]

I have reached the point where the The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ, moves on

Good riddence.

 

[Juin]

lol. they are on a mission to"spread democracy" -when they only spread destruction

Just ask an Iraqi.

 

[Juin]

Alas, I see a post that contains presumtive declaratory statements that are moreover badly disguised as interrogatories. Sadly disguised by question marks of all thingys.

One is even presented as an exclamatory presumptive declaratory statement, ie, it is accusatory.

So my appropriate response is to ignore making a substantive reply since there isn't any substance to the post. It's all pretend and make believe.

aaaa shut up.

 

[Juin]

Christ you are worse then John McCain and his "Putin has his eyes on the Baltics"
and no the USSR didnt "accept" co-existence -the Khrushchev speech he bangs the table with his shoe "we will bury you"

But there was a difference during the Cold War and our new Cold War 2.0. we pursued detente with the USSR during the Cold War;
while we only confront and try to reduce and box in Putin now

Xi has his "One Belt One Road" and has seized Tibet and making claims in the S. China sea. There is your hegemony

Our Cold War 2.0 Warriors dont appear to want to liberate Tibet.

My impression is that because the Nato expansion from W German borders to the Baltics and Balkans, when Russia was comatose, was so easy it has led to this dangerous situation where folks like Nato Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg have come to believe it was International Law, and not the comatose state of Russia, that made it possible.

I dont think much will come of it. Germany, France, Italy, old Nato, definitely are not going to stand for nuclear standoff. The US is thousands of miles away, whether the Defense Department hawks are planning to marshal the kind of Armies it will take to fight Russia right at her doorsteps, I dont know. In the end I believe it is all about a belief in International Law and sanctions.

 

[Juin]

Gazprom/NS2 are in violation of EU anti monopoly laws.

And you are now President of European Commission?

Most specifically, the 2019 Gas Directive of the EU Commission and the EU Commission Third Energy Package of 2012.

Gazprom can utilize only 50% of the Baltic transit pipeline and equally 50% of the overland distribution pipeline into Germany and throughout all of western Europe.

Gazprom has to auction off the undersea pipeline that NS2 is. Energy companies unrelated to Gazprom and completely independent of it must be allowed to make the necessary anti Gazprom monopoly "unbundling" purchases at market prices. Gazprom can charge only market prices. Gazprom had already been legally required by the EU Commission to return EUR 1.3bn to Poland for overpricing and EUR 3Bn to Ukraine for overpricing. Indeed, your guys are both blackmailers and thieves.

Let the Europeans work these things out. You talk too much. Gazprom will do this, Europe will do that, Putin will do this... Good grief! You have said your piece, let it play out.

 

[Juin]

As I stated in Post #83, it was Mikhail Gorbachev that initiated detente, peristroika, and glasnost.

Détente - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Do you care to read your own cites? This is what the same wiki you cite has to say about detente:

"""Most often, the term is used for a phase of the Cold War. It was the policy of relaxing tensions between the Soviet Union and the West, as promoted by Richard Nixon, Henry Kissinger and Leonid Brezhnev, between 1969 and 1974. With the United States showing weakness at the top that forced Nixon out of office, Brezhnev used the opportunity to expand Soviet influence. The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in 1979 decisively ended any talk of détente.[3][4] The term is also used to refer to the Cuban thaw, which resulted in Cuba and the United States restoring diplomatic relations with each other in 2015.""


Detente goes back to Nixon

 

[Juin]

Neither Putin nor Xi accepts any kind of peaceful coexistence. Each is out to overturn the status quo of the extant world order to establish a radically authoritarian world order dominated by the CCP-PRC with Moscow as the junior partner. This is agreeable to each Xi and Putin. Which also btw makes impossible a triangulation of the USA & Russia vs the CCP-PRC, which is an absurd and naive delusion of the PutinTrumpRowers of the USA who hate China.

Given the USA has several dozen national formal treaty allies such as NATO and strategic partner nations such as VN and India among others, Putin's only hope is to attach Russia to the CCP-PRC. DictatorTyrants in Beijing are pleased to accept the union of the two for this purpose only. And to take from there China's own grandiose and historically egocentric middle kingdom notions of lording over the planet.

Take it easy, you are not Putin nor Xi.

 

[anatta]

Just ask an Iraqi.

Or arming Syrian rebels. Nationbuilding Afghan ino a western style democracy ( which went under due to corruption)

Even Hllary was in on the deal with NTC leader Jabril -securing promise of democracy as NATO bombed Misrata
and forced Qadaffi into the drainage ditch. Regime change morphed from a No Fly Zone

All you have to say is ! Russia! or "spread democracy" and the neocons fall into line