Non-Citizen Illegal Voting

[Paradoxical]

Math..

Since we don't track it, how can we use math without numbers? It's like trying to track illegal alien crime when no records exist.

 

[Paradoxical]

What does it mean, it's too easy to vote?

Voting should be easy. It's something every citizen should do.

Yep. Get off their fat asses is what I said. Thanks

 

[Paradoxical]

A lot of people wait for hours in line to vote. Plus the constant changing in laws by Republican states confuse voters and make it increasingly difficult: banning drop boxes, voter harvesting and mail in ballots, , disqualifying them for having the wrong date written on them, throwing them off the roles if they don't vote frequently, closing DMVs where people get IDs.

There are many changes they could make to make it easier to vote, but the GOP feels that people voting hurts their chances of winning elections. That fact is easily documented by their own remarks.

Changing laws? I never saw that. Where does this happen?

 

[BlueTex]

Since we don't track it, how can we use math without numbers? It's like trying to track illegal alien crime when no records exist.

LOL.... The more people who vote, the less impact any one vote has on the outcome... You know, simple ratios...

 

[Paradoxical]

LOL.... The more people who vote, the less impact any one vote has on the outcome... You know, simple ratios...

WHATTTTT?????? Those who are dependcent on government services by the millions will have less impact? WHERE do you get such nonsense from? Its like saying if we filled California with illegal; aliens whose kids later became voters they wouldn't vote Democrat because millions of them voting that was lessen the impact.

You really think illegals and their citizen children would lessen the impact? You don't bite the hand that feeds you.

 

[TangoNoCash]

It is already TOO easy to vote. People need to get off their fat asses. But what do you mean by "diminish the strength of the few non-citizens voting?"

Disagree. Why do you think it should be difficult to vote? What other restrictions do you want to make it more difficult for voters? It would appear you want less votes because more votes always benefits the Democrats.

 

[Ganondagan]

Conspiracy theories as a source should be responded to with find credible source(s).

You can offer alternative views but I'm not going to

Fine.
Don't whine when people complain about unreliable discredited conspiracy theory sources.

If you expect adult discussions, adult information is required.

If trolling the website is the goal, use discredited sources.

If you consider personal insults and snide comments to be adult discussions, no problem I'll just put you on ignore.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

If you consider personal insults and snide comments to be adult discussions, no problem I'll just put you on ignore.

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This entire thread has been ONE BIG WHINEFEST by you.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Maybe you missed this in my post:
"The results of every election contain some level of fraud through illegal votes from non-citizens. The only question is does that level of illegal votes determine the election."

An interesting point that no one appears to be addressing is "How many of those non-citizens who 'registered to vote' actually knew that they were 'registering to vote' when they filled out the document?".

 

[WorldWatcher]

An interesting point that no one appears to be addressing is "How many of those non-citizens who 'registered to vote' actually knew that they were 'registering to vote' when they filled out the document?".

Question:

Is there even a document or is it an online form check box as part of DMV?

WW

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Disagree. Why do you think it should be difficult to vote? What other restrictions do you want to make it more difficult for voters? It would appear you want less votes because more votes always benefits the Democrats.

BINGO!

 

[Lord of Planar]

This is consistent with my belief. The results of every election contain some level of fraud through illegal votes from non-citizens. The only question is does that level of illegal votes determine the election.

Study: 10% to 27% of Non-Citizens Are Illegally Registered to Vote

Study: 10% to 27% of Non-Citizens Are Illegally Registered to Vote – Just Facts

Based on the latest data and an enhanced version of a stress-tested methodology from a scholarly journal, about 10% to 27% of non-citizen adults in the U.S. are now illegally registered to vote.

www.justfacts.com

Overview​

Based on the latest available data and an enhanced version of a stress-tested methodology from a scholarly journal, a new study by Just Facts has found that about 10% to 27% of non-citizen adults in the U.S. are now illegally registered to vote.

The U.S. Census recorded more than 19 million adult non-citizens living in the U.S. during 2022. Given their voter registration rates, this means that about two million to five million of them are illegally registered to vote. These figures are potentially high enough to overturn the will of the American people in major elections, including congressional seats and the presidency.

Background

In 2014, the academic journal Electoral Studies published a groundbreaking study by three scholars who estimated how frequently non-citizens were illegally voting. Based on data for the 2008 presidential and congressional elections, the study found that:

• “roughly one quarter of non-citizens” in the U.S. “were likely registered to vote.”
• “6.4% of non-citizens actually voted.”
• 81.8% of them “reported voting for Barack Obama.”
• illegal votes cast by non-citizens “likely” changed “important election outcomes” in favor of Democrats, “including Electoral College votes” and a “pivotal” U.S. Senate race that enabled Democrats to pass Obamacare.

The study’s voter registration rate was estimated with data from two key sources:

1. A national survey in which 14.8% of non-citizens admitted that they were registered to vote.
2. A database of registered voters that reveals what portion of the surveyed non-citizens “were in fact registered” even though “they claimed not to be registered.”

Potential Impacts​

In presidential elections, roughly half of non-citizens who are registered turn out to vote. Given that about 10% to 27% of them are currently registered, this means about 5% to 13% of them will illegally vote in the 2024 presidential and congressional elections.

The U.S. Census recorded a population of 19.7 million voting-age non-citizens in the U.S. during 2022. This is an absolute minimum because the Census doesn’t count masses of non-citizens who falsely claim to be citizens or don’t fill out Census surveys.

Also, the figure of 19.7 million doesn’t include multitudes of non-citizens who’ve entered since 2022. This includes people who legally immigrated, crossed the border illegally, or were allowed into the country under the Biden administration’s parole policies.

Based on the data above, roughly 1.0 million to 2.7 million non-citizens will illegally vote in the 2024 presidential and congressional elections unless stronger election integrity measures are implemented.

This is old news. This is a fact known for decades.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Question:

Is there even a document or is it an online form check box as part of DMV?

WW

Much the same thing.

Ask anyone filling out anything if they want to answer "Yes" to the question "Do you want to do an easily detectable thing which will result in your deportation if detected AND WE ARE GOING TO CHECK TO SEE IF YOU HAVE DONE IT?".

I suspect that well in excess of 99.999% will say that they don't want to do so.

 

[Ganondagan]

An interesting point that no one appears to be addressing is "How many of those non-citizens who 'registered to vote' actually knew that they were 'registering to vote' when they filled out the document?".

That is a good question, and I don't know how that can be answered with certainty.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

That is a good question, and I don't know how that can be answered with certainty.

EXAM POSTULATE

• The last time you voted was in 2012. Since then you have moved three times. Your state is purging its voters list. As a part of its efforts to ensure that your state's voters lists are accurate, your state is sending notices to everyone on the voters list who has not voted in 10 years to ascertain if they are still a legally eligible voter. Those notices are being sent to the voters' last known addresses and if not returned within 14 days will mean that that voter's name is "purged".

EXAM QUESTION

• Are you going to be able to vote in November? (Explain why, or why not, in not less than 250 words.)

 

[D_NATURED]

I worked with immigrants for 20 years, many of them illegal. The LAST thing an illegal immigrant would want to do is register to vote and then vote.

It's a relief to know you are tapped in to the individual thoughts of twenty million strangers who, as everyone knows, act as one.

If you worked alongside them for twenty years then clearly they're not afraid to get jobs, which also requires them to register with the government. I think you're proving my point about liberals caring more for foreign nationals who break the law than for the rule of law that holds society together.

Regardless, I'm tired of both arguments where people either claim to know the minds of illegal immigrants due to their anecdotal experiences, or where any inconvenient statistics can be discarded, whole-cloth, because the source is, to any degree, right leaning. You're not completely correct and they're not completely wrong.

This is a made up issue. How would such a program to get illegals to vote work?

Nobody said it’s a "program" I believe the gist of the conservative argument is, the illegals vote for democrats because that's who both facilitates their entry and sustains them and gives them SANCTUARY once they're here. From my own observations, that is not a completely fantastical claim.

“Ok Juan, sign this. It’s called a voter registration form. Put down your name and address. It will go to the local government and whatever checks they put on such things. I’ll be back in a few weeks or months to tell you whom to vote for, where to vote, etc. You may go to someone’s garage or to a city hall. And there are many hundreds (thousands?) of us working to make this happen. And we hope to get 2 million of your fellow illegals to vote. Don’t worry, as none of this will become known to anyone.”

If you're done creating straw men and want to discuss the realities that contradict your premise, I'll be the life-long democrat-voting independent who's quickly losing faith in liberal thinkers because of their silly excuses.

The utopian visions of the left have become as glaringly stupid as those of the right.

 

[Nickyjo]

It's a relief to know you are tapped in to the individual thoughts of twenty million strangers who, as everyone knows, act as one.

If you worked alongside them for twenty years then clearly they're not afraid to get jobs, which also requires them to register with the government.

Huh? They just show up and work. No registering with the government. They may have paid someone for a phony SS card or some other stuff. When I worked with farm workers at their hiring hall, I was not allowed to dispatch illegals to work, but often they had wonderfully made forgeries of union cards et al.

As I mentioned, I worked for 20 years and reviewed several thousand asylum cases. It only makes sense to me from that experience that those here illegally would stay away from any unnecessary contact with the US government. Voting is not a necessary contact.

I think you're proving my point about liberals caring more for foreign nationals who break the law than for the rule of law that holds society together.

My work involved “caring for” foreign nationals who were seeking asylum, reviewing their claims, providing them/their attorneys relevant human rights reports and often writing letters of analysis and/or support for their claims. I also visited a couple dozen jails or detention centers from Southern California across to Florida where they might be held, participated in the training of immigration officials, and spoke to immigration judges at their convention, in Vegas, if I remember correctly. In addition, the State Department paid my way (and that of others) to Guantanamo to see how Haitians and some Cubans picked up at sea were being treated. I obviously don’t know the thoughts of millions of strangers, but learned something from those experiences.

Regardless, I'm tired of both arguments where people either claim to know the minds of illegal immigrants due to their anecdotal experiences, or where any inconvenient statistics can be discarded, whole-cloth, because the source is, to any degree, right leaning. You're not completely correct and they're not completely wrong.




Nobody said it’s a "program" I believe the gist of the conservative argument is, the illegals vote for democrats because that's who both facilitates their entry and sustains them and gives them SANCTUARY once they're here. From my own observations, that is not a completely fantastical claim.

Not fantastical at all, but as I said, I believe whatever gratitude towards democrats (or towards republicans by Cubans) can fade over time. It’s my understanding that second and third generation Cubans drift a bit from the overwhelmingly republican support first generation exiles had.

If you're done creating straw men and want to discuss the realities that contradict your premise, I'll be the life-long democrat-voting independent who's quickly losing faith in liberal thinkers because of their silly excuses.

The utopian visions of the left have become as glaringly stupid as those of the right.

Dealing with some immigrants who lied to me, and some public officials who openly expressed bigoted and hostile thoughts towards their charges quickly cured me of any utopian visions.

 

[dairyair]

Yep. Get off their fat asses is what I said. Thanks

So, it's not to easy to vote.
Why did you say it?

 

[dairyair]

You can offer alternative views but I'm not going to


If you consider personal insults and snide comments to be adult discussions, no problem I'll just put you on ignore.

You're not going to because none exist.
It's why you had to resort to a conspiracy theory for the OP.

Pointing out a source is BS, is not a personal insult or a snide. It's just a fact.
But you do what you have to do.

 

[Paradoxical]

So, it's not to easy to vote.
Why did you say it?

Not easy for the lazy.