Bonzai
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So, in the end, you are the final judge on these matters ? Therein lies the problem....................
No, it's a matter of fact that the gays in this country have not endured the same hardships as American blacks. It's an insulting comparison, and it needs to stop.
It doesn't matter what I am. this isn't about me, it's about a stupid comparison that needs to end. Gays have their own history, they don't need to ride the coat tails of black oppression. Somehow people still think it's relevant to draw that idiotic comparison, which shows a disturbing lack of historical knowledge.
Being oppressed doesn't put them in the same clubhouse as native Americans and American blacks.
So, in the end, you are the final judge on these matters ? Therein lies the problem....................
Bro, do you even read?
Bro, maybe I misread, but I got the impression you were saying that the treatment of gays couldn't hold a candle to the treatment of "blacks".......................
It can't. Anyone who took the time to learn basic American history knows this.
This comparison seriously needs to stop. Those that support traditional marriage are not denying anyone their rights and are acting according to their beliefs just like the pro-SSM crowd.
You can compare SSM to Jim Crow when homosexuals are forced into separate schools, separate establishments, sit in the back of the bus, and all the other things minorities suffered through. It's such a disgrace to drag the civil rights movement down by comparing it to people being unhappy that some don't want to change the definition of marriage to include same sex couples.
It's as absurd as comparing SSM to polygamy, bestiality, pedophilia, incest, and the many other things that some illogical people will argue when discussing SSM. It's a shame so many in the pro-SSM crowd refuse to see this and instead want to compare their opposition to the racists during Jim Crow and insult everyone as if their beliefs are rooted in hatred while flinging around the "bigot, homophobe, hater" mantra. Really, the extremists are two sides of the same coin. It's a shame so few are willing to call out that behavior and will even endorse it.
Morality is relative.
Which brings us back around to you stating your opinion and insisting it is a fact. I'm not buying into it for 1 minute.......................
Murder, rape, and theft are perfectly moral behaviors.
How do you think you would be received at an NAACP meeting equating marriage equality with the civil rights movement?Right. And if gay people looked and acted exactly like straights and only had heterosexual sex you'd be completely comfortable with them.............wow...................
How do you think you would be received at an NAACP meeting equating marriage equality with the civil rights movement?
I'm thinking body bag...
How do you think you would be received at an NAACP meeting equating marriage equality with the civil rights movement?
I'm thinking body bag...
The NAACP's support for gay marriage in no way equates the plight of Blacks during the civil rights era and the plight of homosexuals in gaining marriage rights. What people are attempting to do with this is to say that what the gay community is fighting for today akin to what Black people were fighting for in the 60s. The right to marry vs. equal protection under the law. Hmm... one has to do with oppression and the other has to do with getting some tax breaks.Considering the NAACP supports marriage equality and itself has compared the two movements favorably, I would say you should read up a little more before saying something stupid.
It, along with a implicit media, allowed the homosexual agenda the ability to rhetorically bat their opponents over the head. Worked for a good amount of time, but less and less as we move on, and people become armed to defend themselves against it.
A special right is one where no right previously existed, and where no real need for the existence of said right was societal necessary. An example of this would be disability accommodations. They NOW have laws in place that mandate public and private institutions, and open to all individuals places to make room, and accessibility the law. However, Midgets don't have the same accessibility provisions because they are not deemed disabled. Homosexuals never had a right to marry, nor has any language ever included this possibility prior to the late 80's up until now. The very idea of such a thing wasn't even conceivable to society. As a result of the past 40 years, and present, we now as a society are contemplating the unthinkable, and for some, the absurd~!
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The NAACP's support for gay marriage in no way equates the plight of Blacks during the civil rights era and the plight of homosexuals in gaining marriage rights. What people are attempting to do with this is to say that what the gay community is fighting for today akin to what Black people were fighting for in the 60s. The right to marry vs. equal protection under the law. Hmm... one has to do with oppression and the other has to do with getting some tax breaks.
Give me a freaking break. The two aren't even remotely on the same level.
How do you think you would be received at an NAACP meeting equating marriage equality with the civil rights movement?
I'm thinking body bag...
The NAACP's support for gay marriage in no way equates the plight of Blacks during the civil rights era and the plight of homosexuals in gaining marriage rights. What people are attempting to do with this is to say that what the gay community is fighting for today akin to what Black people were fighting for in the 60s. The right to marry vs. equal protection under the law. Hmm... one has to do with oppression and the other has to do with getting some tax breaks.
Give me a freaking break. The two aren't even remotely on the same level.
Why are you so interested in this tangent? Is it because you want to avoid talking about what the real issue is?
Sorry...but tolerance does not require embracing the intolerant. Bigots ARE bigots. The bigots of the 60's felt that they were morally justified in their views the same way that the bigots of the 2013 think that they are.
They were beaten and lynched. They were denied jobs, and access to stores and other businesses. They were arrested and jailed simply for who they were or daring to hang out in bars together (that's what caused the Stonewall Riots). They were reviled in Churches as abominations. They were indentified as mentally ill, locked up in mental facilities and forced to undergo "experimental" techniques and electroshock "therapy."
Soooo, yeah I think they have a right to claim systematic oppression similar to any other historically oppressed groups in the good ole U.S. of A.
That's a matter of opinion. Perhaps you are Black and are somehow offended by this comparison? If so, did you forget all the Black Americans who could pass for white and "hid" in plain view in those long gone bad old days? Hid until something gave them away, like maybe having a child who couldn't pass for white? So what if many homosexuals could "hide," they hid to prevent being systematically abused and hiding was PART of their oppression.
If not, and you belong to some other oppressed minority I fail to understand your position. I'm Amerindian, and as a child I faced racial oppression. I have no problems listing homosexuals as among the oppressed.
Bro, maybe I misread, but I got the impression you were saying that the treatment of gays couldn't hold a candle to the treatment of "blacks".......................
Lighten up, dude, it was a metaphor. Sheesh...Because suggesting black people would murder someone for comparing one civil rights struggle to another is... pretty friggin ridiculous. And, by the way, very demeaning to black people. What other groups do you think are so incredibly violent over such tiny perceived slights?
I'm actually not the one that is interested in the tangent. I'm the one pointing out the absolute ridiculousness of others, on this very thread, who would try to make this connection.
The NAACP has addressed civil rights with regard to marriage since Loving v. Virginia declared anti-miscegenation laws unconstitutional in 1967. In recent years the NAACP has taken public positions against state and federal efforts to ban the rights and privileges for LGBT citizens, including strong opposition to Proposition 8 in California, the Defense of Marriage Act, and most recently, North Carolina’s Amendment 1, which changed the state constitution’s to prohibit same sex marriage.
The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People released a resolution on May 19 supporting marriage equality. At a meeting of the 103-year old civil rights group’s board of directors, the organization voted to support marriage equality as a continuation of its historic commitment to equal protection under the law.
Murder, rape, and theft are perfectly moral behaviors.
It can't. Anyone who took the time to learn basic American history knows this.
Read more @: NOM’s July 4th message: Are you LGBT or are you American? | The Raw Story
Ohhh silly hate groups.. [/FONT][/COLOR]They will be on the wrong side of history..
Nice try, but like I had to tell the other guy, I'm not against gay marriage. I'm against partisans ****ing up a worthwhile cause by using hyperbole and dumb **** to promote it, instead of sticking to the facts. Blacks were traded, auctioned off and bred like cattle so they could be forced to work under inhuman conditions, facing unspeakable horrors for over 260 years in this country, because Congress didn't even recognize them as human beings. For the sole purpose of representative votes, they were considered three/fifths of a person. Even after emancipation, they faced institutional oppression. Southern states looked the other way when their black citizens were being hanged to death, and dragged behind horses, and later trucks, because the mayors, sheriffs, governors, etc were also doing these things. This country wasn't even fully desegregated by law until the 1970's. In the place I grew up, "nigger" is still a common word, and hate crimes still go on. The only difference now vs then is that people get put in prison for it now. A white man can even be executed for killing a black man, which is a relatively new concept in this country.If I stab you, it typpically isn't as bad as if I shot you. Both are bad are they not? Both are not the same, but they can be compared to as bad. The same for SSM and interracial Marriage.
A lot of people are, and do, because they're too blinded by their own partisan bull**** to see how it's a false comparison.Noone is saying the discrimination of gays is THE SAME as the discrimination of blacks, but both are bad.
You have a ridiculous interpretation of the phrase "special right." But ok, let's go with that one. Why use the phrase at all? Is this an argument against same-sex marriage? They didn't have the right before, so they shouldn't be granted the right? Couldn't I have said the same about women voting, interracial marriage, or drinking alcohol before the repeal of prohibition?
Hardly the same thing...
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