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Tetracide said:I'm going to pull a Billy, and just post a picture.
Powerbuilt said:36 American's killed in 6 degrees of seperation from saddam, and you think it's worth wasting 10s of thousands of Iraqis another 2000 Americans and counting and $300 Billion in my tax dollars? **** you.
Powerbuilt said:36 American's killed in 6 degrees of seperation from saddam, and you think it's worth wasting 10s of thousands of Iraqis another 2000 Americans and counting and $300 Billion in my tax dollars? **** you.
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:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:Powerbuilt said:You're such a wimp.
Grab your ******* uterous, and stop being scared of the "F" word.
nefarious_plot said:... Anything trumped up to justify this war is pathetic and easily rebuked. gobs of hypocritcal and manipulated dribvile coming from right winged home made websites and an admin busted lying for years will never disprove the history and reality of Hussiens regime.
the non-partisan 9/11 Commission said:May 19,1996: Bin Laden leaves Sudan – after escaping at least one assassination attempt -- significantly weakened despite his ambitious organization skills, and returns to Afghanistan where he establishes al Qaeda training bases.
al Qaeda in these excerpts from their fatwahs said:
[1996 fatwah excerpts]
Our youths believe in paradise after death. They believe that taking part in fighting will not bring their day nearer; and staying behind will not postpone their day either.
These youths believe in what has been told by Allah and His messenger (Allah's Blessings and Salutations may be on him) about the greatness of the reward for the Mujahideen and Martyrs; Allah, the most exalted said: {and -so far- those who are slain in the way of Allah, He will by no means allow their deeds to perish. He will guide them and improve their condition. and cause them to enter the garden -paradise- which He has made known to them}. (Muhammad; 47:4-6). Allah the Exalted also said: {and do not speak of those who are slain in Allah's way as dead; nay -they are- alive, but you do not perceive} (Bagarah; 2:154).
[1998 fatwah excerpt]
I have been sent with the sword between my hands to ensure that no one but Allah is worshipped.
the non-partisan 9/11 Commission said:The attacks on September 11 kill almost 3,000 in a series of hijacked airliner crashes into two U.S. landmarks: the World Trade Center in New York City, New York, and The Pentagon in Arlington, Virginia. A fourth plane crashes in Somerset County, Pennsylvania.
The night of 9/11, the President broadcast to the nation that we will not distinguish between terrorists and those who harbor them.
The night of 9/20, the President Bush broadcast to the nation and to a joint session of the Congress that: our enemy is a radical network of terrorists, and every government that supports them; that it is civilization’s fight to punish this radical network; and that we ask every nation to join us in this fight.
On 10/25, the pre-9/11 draft presidential directive on al Qaeda evolved into a new directive, National Security Presidential Directive 9, now titled "Defeating the Terrorist Threat to the United States." The directive would now extend to a global war on terrorism, not just on al Qaeda. It also incorporated the President's determination not to distinguish between terrorists and those who harbor them. It included a determination to use military force if necessary to end al Qaeda's sanctuary in Afghanistan. The new directive -- formally signed on October 25, after the fighting in Afghanistan had already begun -- included new material followed by annexes discussing each targeted terrorist group. The old draft directive on al Qaeda became, in effect, the first annex. The United States would strive to eliminate all terrorist networks, dry up their financial support, and prevent them from acquiring weapons of mass destruction. The goal was the "elimination of terrorism as a threat to our way of life."
in these excerpts said:
The al Qaeda aligned, Ansar al Islam, was formed in northern Iraq in December 2001 and included some of those fleeing the US, October 20, 2001, invasion of Afghanistan . At the beginning of the US March 20, 2003, invasion of Iraq, the al Qaeda aligned, Ansar al Islam, controlled about a dozen villages and a range of peaks in northern Iraq on the Iranian border.
When the US invaded Iraq, it attacked the al Qaeda aligned, Ansar al Islam, training camps in northern Iraq, and this organization's leaders retreated to neighboring countries. When the war in the north settled down, the militants returned to Iraq to fight against the occupying American forces.
al Qaeda in an excerpt from their 2004 fatwah said:
No Muslim should risk his life as he may inadvertently be killed if he associates with the Crusaders, whom we have no choice but to kill.
in an excerpt from their booklet said:… eight reasons for global jihad. These include the restoration of Islamic sovereignty to all lands where Muslims were once ascendant, including Spain, "Bulgaria, Hungary, Cyprus, Sicily, Ethiopia, Russian Turkistan and Chinese Turkistan. . . Even parts of France reaching 90 kilometers outside Paris."
It's really terrible how truth keeps sticking its dawgone nose into your false beliefs. I apologize for my part in fomenting its intrusion.nefarious_plot said:Tumped up nonesence...Fatwah? Uhh yeah. ...ahead of those trumped documents there still completely false.
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Fatwah thats the funniest one yet though.
Powerbuilt said:You're such a wimp.
Grab your ******* uterous, and stop being scared of the "F" word.
icantoofly said:WHY WE HAD TO INVADE IRAQ
September 11, 2001: This date is 5 years, 3 months, and 23 days after Bin Laden left Sudan for Afghanistan and established al Qaeda training bases in Afghanistan.
Note: the US invasion of Iraq was only 1 year, 5 months after al Qaeda first set up training camps in Iraq. If we had waited 5 years, 3 months, and 23 days before invading Iraq like we waited before invading Afghanistan, it is very probable that additional “9/11s” would have occurred in the meantime.
Al Qaeda and all other persons who mass murder civilians, or are accomplices of persons who mass murder civilians, are an extreme danger to the security of humanity in general, and to the security of Iraqis and Americans in particular. For this reason all such persons, whom I call malignancy, must be exterminated. So, it was necessary to invade Iraq in order to exterminate malignancy from Iraq, just as it was necessary to invade Afghanistan in order to exterminate malignancy from Afghanistan.
While we have so far failed to exterminate malignancyin both Iraq and Afghanistan, we must nonetheless persevere until we learn how and do exterminate it. The deadly consequences to us all of failure to do so are intolerable!
GySgt said:I'd have banned him right after the remark. Of course, I'm a lot less tolerant than most. I'd be an awesome dictator.
I'm not sure where this canard keeps coming from, but I wish it would go on and die already.Powerbuilt said:There were no terrorist training camps under Saddam's rule?
icantoofly said:Originally Posted by in these excerpts, Wikipedia,
The al Qaeda aligned, Ansar al Islam, was formed in northern Iraq in December 2001 and included some of those fleeing the US, October 20, 2001, invasion of Afghanistan . At the beginning of the US March 20, 2003, invasion of Iraq, the al Qaeda aligned, Ansar al Islam, controlled about a dozen villages and a range of peaks in northern Iraq on the Iranian border.
When the US invaded Iraq, it attacked the al Qaeda aligned, Ansar al Islam, training camps in northern Iraq, and this organization's leaders retreated to neighboring countries. When the war in the north settled down, the militants returned to Iraq to fight against the occupying American forces.
icantoofly said:Note: the US invasion of Iraq was only 1 year, 5 months after al Qaeda first set up training camps in Iraq.
Since aQ is well entrenched in Iraq now, how long til we have our next 9-11? Hooking aQ up w/ a new and improved training camp kind of kills the whole GWoT angle don't it?icantoofly said:If we had waited 5 years, 3 months, and 23 days before invading Iraq like we waited before invading Afghanistan, it is very probable that additional “9/11s” would have occurred in the meantime.
Not me. I've read pretty much the same thing at least once a week since the tail end of 2002.gdalton said:Maybe some people should read this again.
What truth there. Asserting a Fundementalists ties with husssien is showing your complete ignorance of basic history of the region.icantoofly said:It's really terrible how truth keeps sticking its dawgone nose into your false beliefs. I apologize for my part in fomenting its intrusion.
As you were!
nefarious_plot said:Folks websites are things made by people people can li. history when learned properly can not. And little bit of logic wouldnt help either.
I dont care what dot com you give there is no truth to a man who consistantly foguth fundementailist thought and rule for over 2 decades being linked with a group that basis its entire phiosphy off the very thin Hussien fought.
This is just simpleton thinking. Like a child....hussien bad...Bin laden bad...mist be the same. Its not that simple. You have to move beyond your John Wayne back hat white hat western movies and think a little harder then that.
There're literally tens of thousand of primary sources that demonstrate that the MeK and Saddam were in serious cahoots. There're literally thousands of folks who have first hand accounts of such.nefarious_plot said:Folks websites are things made by people people can li. history when learned properly can not. And little bit of logic wouldnt help either.
Simon W. Moon said:There're literally tens of thousand of primary sources that demonstrate that the MeK and Saddam were in serious cahoots. There're literally thousands of folks who have first hand accounts of such.
Simon W. Moon said:What are you looking for? What would it take to convince you that Saddam underwrote an international terrorist group in a siginifcant way?
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