"No one is above the law"

[Josie]

Do you agree or disagree that "No one is above the law"?

 

[Greenbeard]

Are you asking whether that's how things are or how things ought to be? Obviously some people are above the law.

 

[Helix]

Disagree.

 

[Aristaeus]

I voted agree based on the interpretation 'no one ought to be above the law'.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

I disagree, Trump is clearly above the law.

 

[Gatsby]

Do you agree or disagree that "No one is above the law"?

No one SHOULD be above the law.

 

[Mycroft]

Do you agree or disagree that "No one is above the law"?

Do you have an ulterior motive for asking this question? Are you preparing a "gotcha", depending upon the answer?

 

[Josie]

Are you asking whether that's how things are or how things ought to be? Obviously some people are above the law.

How things should be.

 

[reflechissez]

Do you agree or disagree that "No one is above the law"?

How much thought did you give to this thread?

 

[Greenbeard]

I disagree, Trump is clearly above the law.

I remember years back during the Bush era when the Frost/Nixon movie came out and Nixon's "When the President does it, that means it's not illegal" assertion was meant to be a big shock line. Now the notion that presidential criminality is tautologically impossible has the SCOTUS seal of approval. How far we've fallen, even from that shit time.

 

[Josie]

Do you have an ulterior motive for asking this question? Are you preparing a "gotcha", depending upon the answer?

My motive is to find out who believes no one is above the law. What do you expect the "gotcha" to be?

 

[Xilnik]

No one should be above the law; otherwise, laws have no meaning.

 

[Crakhobarbie]

How things should be.

How things should be, and how things are, are two different things.
Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
The powerful in America have been corrupted absolutely. And as such, the powerful appear to be above the law.

 

[noonereal]

Do you agree or disagree that "No one is above the law"?

One is so what is the point of believing?

 

[Mycroft]

My motive is to find out who believes no one is above the law.

Okay.

What do you expect the "gotcha" to be?

There are many gotcha's that could be used depending upon your motivation. That's why I asked.

Anyway, I'll now answer your poll: Depends.

It depends because sometimes people are accused, even though they haven't violated the law. If they succeed in defending themselves from those accusations, the go to response is that "they are above the law".

This is when I disagree with your statement, even though I generally agree with your statement.

 

[Josie]

How things should be, and how things are, are two different things.

I'm aware. This is asking how things should be.

Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
The powerful in America have been corrupted absolutely. And as such, the powerful appear to be above the law.

 

[Josie]

Okay.


There are many gotcha's that could be used depending upon your motivation. That's why I asked.

Anyway, I'll now answer your poll: Depends.

What does it depend on?

 

[Helix]

I'll add that I answered the question given the wording that was chosen. No one should be above the law, but a number of people are. That is a fact.

 

[aociswundumho]

To say “no one is above the law” means that everyone - regardless of power, position, wealth, or status - is subject to the same legal rules.

In any state system of "justice", this will obviously not be the case. Government-run courts are openly biased in favor of the wealthy and those who are politically connected.

 

[Crakhobarbie]

I'm aware. This is asking how things should be.

You've read enough of my posts to know where I stand. But this is one of those "wish in one hand, shit in the other" moments.
Of course it should be that nobody is above the law. But, because of mankind's inherent duality,
it never will be.

 

[Mycroft]

What does it depend on?

Read my post again. I edited it to explain my response.

 

[Josie]

Okay.


There are many gotcha's that could be used depending upon your motivation. That's why I asked.

Anyway, I'll now answer your poll: Depends.

It depends because sometimes people are accused, even though they haven't violated the law. If they succeed in defending themselves from those accusations, the go to response is that "they are above the law".

This is when I disagree with your statement, even though I generally agree with your statement.

Accused doesn't mean convicted. The law should be on their side then. If you're acquitted of a crime, you still aren't "above the law". You weren't convicted of breaking the law.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Do you agree or disagree that "No one is above the law"?

I disagree that’s how things are, but agree that’s how things should be.

 

[ttwtt78640]

What does it depend on?

Many things. A big one is the availability of plea deals (bargains?) where a (real) trial can be avoided by agreeing to testify against someone else to receive a reduced (or no) charge/sentence.

Our criminal ‘just us’ system isn’t designed to have each (alleged) perp be given a jury trial and depends heavily on (alleged) perps agreeing to plead guilty to a lesser charge.

 

[Airyaman]

Depends.

I agree that no one should be above the law. However, SCOTUS has ruled that, for the most part, at least the president is above the law if he is able to claim that something is being done as part of his official capacity as president. This is where the problem lies.

Right now the courts have stopped Trump in some things, but he really hasn't tested it fully yet. He has ignored SCOTUS with regards to getting some people back from the CECOT prison. I guess time will tell if he is able to ignore more of SCOTUS' rulings. That will be the true test to see if he is "above the law".