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No More Freedom of Expression Online Either

holbritter said:
Google can do whatever they want. We are not forced to use them. If they were the only game in town, I'd be more concerned.

They are a business and won't do too much to hurt their shareholders.
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I would be more worried of government misuse of Data Mining that wasn't detected and for which nobody was held responsible. We must be sure that oursystem of checks and balances is strengthened to contend with the greater power of progressing technology.
 
JamesBY said:
Nonsense. Go find a hosting company, and you don't have to worry about Trumpr or his Orwellian troops putting you out of business.
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That wasn't how I read that. I thought he was relating it to who was searching as well as what they were searching to find.

If the content of searches is catalogued, it is only a short step to having it acted upon for nefarious purposes.
 
rocket88 said:
So you're worried about a business deciding who they want to do business with?

Funny how those who supported a baker's right not to make cakes for gay weddings have changed their tune all of a sudden and think web companies should be forced to host Neo-Nazis sites.
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I don't see the parallel. The baker is turning away business. Google is thought, in this example, to be prohibiting access to information. It's like Google is stopping the gay guy from finding the baker. The baker would probably applaud that by product.

Destroying the marketplace of ideas is no way to expand the realm of thought.

After the editing of education and soon the editing of access to information, how much information and history do we need to erase until our wisdom is sufficiently sculpted?
 
code1211 said:
I don't see the parallel. The baker is turning away business. Google is thought, in this example, to be prohibiting access to information. It's like Google is stopping the gay guy from finding the baker. The baker would probably applaud that by product.

Destroying the marketplace of ideas is no way to expand the realm of thought.

After the editing of education and soon the editing of access to information, how much information and history do we need to erase until our wisdom is sufficiently sculpted?
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Of course you don't. You are trapped by your partisan ideology.
 
Plus Ultra said:
We have a fine example of what possibly could go wrong; mainstream media reported there are 917 "hate groups" relying on SPLC's database and one of them was a Christian church because it won't perform gay marriages. A journalist thus described the KKK and this Christian church as indistinguishable "hate groups".
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I understand your concern but isn't the onus on the person using their data to make sure its accurate and true before accepting it as anything more than fiction?

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trouble13 said:
100% agree in both cases

Private industry is free to discriminate against both nazis and gays

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Probably not in today's social-legal climate.

Laws being enforced selectively has become pretty popular.
 
MaggieD said:
Well, I don't understand. If a server shuts these groups down, they can just get their own server. No? (I'm off line 'till way later in case younrespond.)
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Is it the server? I thought Google was a search engine.
 
JamesBY said:
Unless state PA laws say otherwise.

Alt Righty fascists and klansmen and nazis: get your own servers ~ OK.
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Is a server different than a Search Engine?
 
code1211 said:
I don't see the parallel. The baker is turning away business. Google is thought, in this example, to be prohibiting access to information. It's like Google is stopping the gay guy from finding the baker.
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No. It's not like that. At all.
 
JamesBY said:
Business is an a priori thought police. Who knew?
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Anyone trying to restrict thought is the thought police.

It could be the Catholic Church in the Spanish Inquisition or it could be Google today. It could be your third grade teacher in choosing which parts of the curriculum to omit from the lessons. It could be the Nazi party sculpting the thinking that led to the holocaust.

Some of the greatest evil in history has been committed by those who are presenting themselves as do-gooders.
 
code1211 said:
Anyone trying to restrict thought is the thought police.

It could be the Catholic Church in the Spanish Inquisition or it could be Google today. It could be your third grade teacher in choosing which parts of the curriculum to omit from the lessons. It could be the Nazi party sculpting the thinking that led to the holocaust.
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Do you have any of the basic understanding between government and private companies?

I mean, seriously.
 
Paperview said:
Do you have any of the basic understanding between government and private companies?

I mean, seriously.
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Stunning.

Do you think the only entities that try to control thought through intimidation are governmental?

Didn't I just cite the Catholic Church?

As you say, "I mean, seriously", do you think that the government is the only powerful entity on the planet?

At about the turn of the century when Teddy was breaking up the Trusts, several companies had more cash to spend than the Federal Government.

Expand your horizons.
 
code1211 said:
I don't see the parallel. The baker is turning away business. Google is thought, in this example, to be prohibiting access to information. It's like Google is stopping the gay guy from finding the baker. The baker would probably applaud that by product.

Destroying the marketplace of ideas is no way to expand the realm of thought.

After the editing of education and soon the editing of access to information, how much information and history do we need to erase until our wisdom is sufficiently sculpted?
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Google not hosting their website is denial of service.
 
code1211 said:
Anyone trying to restrict thought is the thought police. It could be the Catholic Church in the Spanish Inquisition or it could be Google today. It could be your third grade teacher in choosing which parts of the curriculum to omit from the lessons. It could be the Nazi party sculpting the thinking that led to the holocaust. Some of the greatest evil in history has been committed by those who are presenting themselves as do-gooders.
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So "anyone" could be parents restricting thought? Think your logic through, please.
 
code1211 said:
Stunning. Do you think the only entities that try to control thought through intimidation are governmental? Didn't I just cite the Catholic Church? As you say, "I mean, seriously", do you think that the government is the only powerful entity on the planet? At about the turn of the century when Teddy was breaking up the Trusts, several companies had more cash to spend than the Federal Government. Expand your horizons.
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I had forgotten how libertarian leaning you once were. Do you still think the NWO an actual threat?
 
code1211 said:
I don't see the parallel. The baker is turning away business. Google is thought, in this example, to be prohibiting access to information. It's like Google is stopping the gay guy from finding the baker. The baker would probably applaud that by product.

Destroying the marketplace of ideas is no way to expand the realm of thought.

After the editing of education and soon the editing of access to information, how much information and history do we need to erase until our wisdom is sufficiently sculpted?
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Just saw this post

google and the baker are the same in the sense that they are privately buisinesses providing a product. Neither the baker or google have a civic responibility to set the standards of social morality. If google were a monopoly you might have a point that some regulation is needed but they are not.

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