No Labels, Republican front group

[Craig234]

Robert Reich sent this e-mail.

I think it rightly describes what the 'wolf in sheep's cloithing' pro-wealth group "No Labels" is doing to try to fool people, especially independents, into helping Republicans.

"No Labels, the dark-money group that’s spending tens of millions to run a third-party candidate against Joe Biden in 2024, just announced that they’ve already registered 15,000 voters in the critical battleground state of Arizona.

That’s more than enough to tip this key battleground state to Donald Trump.

Joe Biden won Arizona in 2020 by fewer than 11,000 votes, and the key voting blocs that put him over the top are exactly the people that No Labels is targeting now: centrist Democrats, moderate Republicans, and independents who voted for Biden in 2020 out of disgust for Trump.

Let’s not mince words. No Labels is little more than a Republican front group trying to help Trump win. We can’t let them get away with it.

We’re launching a major campaign across social media to warn voters that No Labels is a scam to help Trump — before No Labels has a chance to spend millions on ads pitching themselves to potential Biden voters.

The Republican Party has its fingerprints all over No Labels.

One of their big funders is none other than Harlan Crow, the right-wing billionaire who has spent millions on luxury travel and gifts for Clarence Thomas. They’ve even brought on a Trump megadonor as a senior adviser in Florida.

Polling, focus groups, and common sense all tell us that voters who are interested in an allegedly “centrist” political party would overwhelmingly vote for Joe Biden in a head-to-head matchup with Trump.

And that's exactly who's registering with the No Labels party in Arizona.

No Labels has signed up 40% more Democrats than Republicans in the state, and the biggest share of their support comes from independents, who swung decisively against Trump in 2020 and allowed Joe Biden to turn Arizona blue for only the second time in the previous 70 years.

To stop No Labels, we need to make sure that voters know the truth, that this is a Republican-funded effort to throw the election to Trump. We also need to make sure that voters know about President Biden’s successes on the economy. But we must act now, while most Americans still haven’t heard about No Labels."

 

[OrphanSlug]

No matter the percentage breakdowns of support for "No Labels," the entire thing is the fault of modern liberalism.

Deciding to go further left, tell everyone else they are wrong on just about everything, attempt to cancel them, but demand their support anyway. Congress and Biden's own numbers supporting the sentiment.

People have a right to demand representation from someone other than a two party system the OP champions knowing the more he gets his way the more his opposition is oppressed.

 

[Jessie C]

Robert Reich sent this e-mail.

I think it rightly describes what the 'wolf in sheep's cloithing' pro-wealth group "No Labels" is doing to try to fool people, especially independents, into helping Republicans.

"No Labels, the dark-money group that’s spending tens of millions to run a third-party candidate against Joe Biden in 2024, just announced that they’ve already registered 15,000 voters in the critical battleground state of Arizona.

That’s more than enough to tip this key battleground state to Donald Trump.

Joe Biden won Arizona in 2020 by fewer than 11,000 votes, and the key voting blocs that put him over the top are exactly the people that No Labels is targeting now: centrist Democrats, moderate Republicans, and independents who voted for Biden in 2020 out of disgust for Trump.

Let’s not mince words. No Labels is little more than a Republican front group trying to help Trump win. We can’t let them get away with it.

We’re launching a major campaign across social media to warn voters that No Labels is a scam to help Trump — before No Labels has a chance to spend millions on ads pitching themselves to potential Biden voters.

The Republican Party has its fingerprints all over No Labels.

One of their big funders is none other than Harlan Crow, the right-wing billionaire who has spent millions on luxury travel and gifts for Clarence Thomas. They’ve even brought on a Trump megadonor as a senior adviser in Florida.

Polling, focus groups, and common sense all tell us that voters who are interested in an allegedly “centrist” political party would overwhelmingly vote for Joe Biden in a head-to-head matchup with Trump.

And that's exactly who's registering with the No Labels party in Arizona.

No Labels has signed up 40% more Democrats than Republicans in the state, and the biggest share of their support comes from independents, who swung decisively against Trump in 2020 and allowed Joe Biden to turn Arizona blue for only the second time in the previous 70 years.

To stop No Labels, we need to make sure that voters know the truth, that this is a Republican-funded effort to throw the election to Trump. We also need to make sure that voters know about President Biden’s successes on the economy. But we must act now, while most Americans still haven’t heard about No Labels."

I guess it's up to the democratic leaders in Arizona and everywhere else to get the word out. So not surprised, the republicans simply can't win without CHEATING any way possible.

 

[Cardinal]

No matter the percentage breakdowns of support for "No Labels," the entire thing is the fault of modern liberalism.

Deciding to go further left, tell everyone else they are wrong on just about everything, attempt to cancel them, but demand their support anyway. Congress and Biden's own numbers supporting the sentiment.

People have a right to demand representation from someone other than a two party system the OP champions knowing the more he gets his way the more his opposition is oppressed.

That's not what any of this is about. This is about Republicans trying to run a fake Democrat in order to leech votes from Biden.

It's a moronic strategy though seeing as RFK is far more appealing to fringe right wing conspiracy theorists than Democrats. If I had been in charge of this strategy I would have used someone the left would find appealing.

 

[Old 'N Chill]

Robert Reich sent this e-mail.

I think it rightly describes what the 'wolf in sheep's cloithing' pro-wealth group "No Labels" is doing to try to fool people, especially independents, into helping Republicans.

"No Labels, the dark-money group that’s spending tens of millions to run a third-party candidate against Joe Biden in 2024, just announced that they’ve already registered 15,000 voters in the critical battleground state of Arizona.

That’s more than enough to tip this key battleground state to Donald Trump.

Joe Biden won Arizona in 2020 by fewer than 11,000 votes, and the key voting blocs that put him over the top are exactly the people that No Labels is targeting now: centrist Democrats, moderate Republicans, and independents who voted for Biden in 2020 out of disgust for Trump.

Let’s not mince words. No Labels is little more than a Republican front group trying to help Trump win. We can’t let them get away with it.

We’re launching a major campaign across social media to warn voters that No Labels is a scam to help Trump — before No Labels has a chance to spend millions on ads pitching themselves to potential Biden voters.

The Republican Party has its fingerprints all over No Labels.

One of their big funders is none other than Harlan Crow, the right-wing billionaire who has spent millions on luxury travel and gifts for Clarence Thomas. They’ve even brought on a Trump megadonor as a senior adviser in Florida.

Polling, focus groups, and common sense all tell us that voters who are interested in an allegedly “centrist” political party would overwhelmingly vote for Joe Biden in a head-to-head matchup with Trump.

And that's exactly who's registering with the No Labels party in Arizona.

No Labels has signed up 40% more Democrats than Republicans in the state, and the biggest share of their support comes from independents, who swung decisively against Trump in 2020 and allowed Joe Biden to turn Arizona blue for only the second time in the previous 70 years.

To stop No Labels, we need to make sure that voters know the truth, that this is a Republican-funded effort to throw the election to Trump. We also need to make sure that voters know about President Biden’s successes on the economy. But we must act now, while most Americans still haven’t heard about No Labels."

Definitely something to be concerned about, everyone should be aware.

No Labels exposed: Here's a list of donors funding its effort to disrupt the 2024 race

The roster includes corporate execs who have financed Republican and Democratic candidates.

www.motherjones.com

 

[Helix]

It's a fake spoiler party designed to help the far right. I don't like this tactic.

 

[OrphanSlug]

That's not what any of this is about. This is about Republicans trying to run a fake Democrat in order to leech votes from Biden.

It's a moronic strategy though seeing as RFK is far more appealing to fringe right wing conspiracy theorists than Democrats. If I had been in charge of this strategy I would have used someone the left would find appealing.

You think, at least that is what these Democratic notions suggest which is how these stories are coming up.

And I have zero care or support for RFK Jr, in absence of much else from No Labels, no real assurance I'll care or support them either. I know what is at stake with Trump having another go at President.

I am not your issue, but polling suggests what I mention still stands.

Modern liberalism has managed to find themselves in such a position that Biden has terrible numbers, and we have some more recent evidence that 2024 is no cake walk for Biden going up against Trump. All before a 3rd party has much momentum at all. Biden has more to lose, Democrats know that.

Dispute it all you want, tell us all for the umpteenth time they are all wrong and should get in line like good little children, but the Democratic Party did this entirely to themselves. Demanding for support from the groups they otherwise despise caused No Labels, some other Independent, or really anyone else obtaining some degree of support. Including Trump.

All evidence supporting no matter how much you try to confine the conversation to some other topic as if it is all in a vacuum.

 

[Fletch]

No matter the percentage breakdowns of support for "No Labels," the entire thing is the fault of modern liberalism.

Deciding to go further left, tell everyone else they are wrong on just about everything, attempt to cancel them, but demand their support anyway. Congress and Biden's own numbers supporting the sentiment.

People have a right to demand representation from someone other than a two party system the OP champions knowing the more he gets his way the more his opposition is oppressed.

You never know which OrphanSlug you are going to get, but I like this one!

 

[Cardinal]

You think, at least that is what these Democratic notions suggest which is how these stories are coming up.

And I have zero care or support for RFK Jr, in absence of much else from No Labels, no real assurance I'll care or support them either. I know what is at stake with Trump having another go at President.

I am not your issue, but polling suggests what I mention still stands.

Modern liberalism has managed to find themselves in such a position that Biden has terrible numbers, and we have some more recent evidence that 2024 is no cake walk for Biden going up against Trump. All before a 3rd party has much momentum at all. Biden has more to lose, Democrats know that.

Dispute it all you want, tell us all for the umpteenth time they are all wrong and should get in line like good little children, but the Democratic Party did this entirely to themselves. Demanding for support from the groups they otherwise despise caused No Labels, some other Independent, or really anyone else obtaining some degree of support. Including Trump.

All evidence supporting no matter how much you try to confine the conversation to some other topic as if it is all in a vacuum.

Since Biden has consistently (and successfully) promoted policies that a majority of the public likes, what do you think is the reason that Biden isn't doing as well as he should be?

 

[OrphanSlug]

Since Biden has consistently (and successfully) promoted policies that a majority of the public likes, what do you think is the reason that Biden isn't doing as well as he should be?

Lets assume for a moment that you are right, I am not convinced but that is another matter, and all his policies and work with Congress (when it worked) resulted in something the majority of the public wanted. You trying to tell me that Biden's aggregate approval rating of 41% and disapproval rating of almost 58% (538 as source) is entirely because of Republican / right wing media shenanigans?

BTW, from CNN's recent poll the split is 38% to 58% majority disapproving of him. Then you have ABC/Washington Post turning around with a recent poll suggesting head-to-head it is Trump +9. Both recent polls showing the public gives Biden all of 30% approval on the economy, 23% on immigration, with overall views no where near just 50% let alone strong majority. No where near. Even within those who claim to lean Democrat, 33% are for Biden with 62% wanting someone else.

I can flip this very easily on you, using polling results you know to be out there from these sources, and ask do you think Democrats would be issuing memos and warnings about "No Labels" or RFK Jr or Republican shenanigans or anyone else if Biden commanded an above water approval rating on *any metric* at all? Especially by arguably center to left leaning media outlets doing polling?

Looks like you, and the OP, need to dig a little deeper telling the majority, who do not approve of Biden, and who modern liberals genuinely do not like anyway, to feel differently. Because deep down you know you need them, and you guys better get back to the message of what Trump could do with another term instead of trying to pimp Biden results that the majority *does not* buy into.

Prove me otherwise, go find the poll from someone reasonable or go find the sentiment from a reasonable assortment of voters that translates to all these polls being flat out wrong for another reason than you just claiming so.

I'll wait.

 

[multivita-man]

No matter the percentage breakdowns of support for "No Labels," the entire thing is the fault of modern liberalism.

Nah, people have agency and are responsible for their own actions. Excepting MAGA from your criticism and sticking it all on the backs of liberals seems odd.

If Jews would just find more pleasant ways to protest their discrimination, centrists wouldn't have to vote for Nazis.

 

[OrphanSlug]

Nah, people have agency and are responsible for their own actions. Excepting MAGA from your criticism and sticking it all on the backs of liberals seems odd.

If Jews would just find more pleasant ways to protest their discrimination, centrists wouldn't have to vote for Nazis.

No exemption for them, and from the post you cut or ignored it looks intentional, more that I do not buy into the nonsense that Biden's position of public support is entirely because of Republican shenanigans.

And the "Jews" comment, that I in no way posted something in support of, shows your ignorance on my position when it comes to MAGA Republicans.

Get better.

 

[Cardinal]

Lets assume for a moment that you are right, I am not convinced but that is another matter, and all his policies and work with Congress (when it worked) resulted in something the majority of the public wanted. You trying to tell me that Biden's aggregate approval rating of 41% and disapproval rating of almost 58% (538 as source) is entirely because of Republican / right wing media shenanigans?

BTW, from CNN's recent poll the split is 38% to 58% majority disapproving of him. Then you have ABC/Washington Post turning around with a recent poll suggesting head-to-head it is Trump +9. Both recent polls showing the public gives Biden all of 30% approval on the economy, 23% on immigration, with overall views no where near just 50%. Even within those who claim to lean Democrat 33% for Biden with 62% wanting someone else.

I'm already aware of the polling. I also know that his worst policy position is aid to Ukraine, which gets 48% approval. Mind you, that's the policy with the worst approval.

So given that, does it make sense to you that his approval is neck and neck with somebody who is essentially the worst human in America?

I can flip this very easily on you,

I don't know what you're flipping on me, exactly, but okay.

using polling results you know to be true, and ask do you think Democrats would be issuing memos and warnings about "No Labels" or RFK Jr or anyone else if Biden commanded an above water approval rating on *any metric* at all? Especially by arguably center to left leaning media outlets doing polling?

Looks like you, and the OP, need to dig a little deeper telling the majority, who do not approve of Biden, and who modern liberals genuinely do not like anyway, to feel differently. Because deep down you know you need them, and you guys better get back to the message of what Trump could do with another term instead of trying to pimp Biden results that the majority *does not buy* into.

Trump's worst qualities are already baked into his support. People know who he is. You, however, did not know that Biden delivers on policy that a majority of the American public supports. So are you sure that "Trump is bad" is the thing that'll turn Biden's ship around?

Prove me otherwise, go find the poll from someone reasonable or go find the sentiment from a reasonable assortment of voters that translates to all these polls being flat out wrong for another reason than you just claiming so.

I'll wait.

Go find polling for what?

 

[OrphanSlug]

I'm already aware of the polling. I also know that his worst policy position is aid to Ukraine, which gets 48% approval. Mind you, that's the policy with the worst approval.

So given that, does it make sense to you that his approval is neck and neck with somebody who is essentially the worst human in America?

Might be painful for you, but perhaps look at Biden instead of conspiracy theory. (And you know I agree with you on Trump, but I know you will never admit it.)

I don't know what you're flipping on me, exactly, but okay.

Trump's worst qualities are already baked into his support. People know who he is. You, however, did not know that Biden delivers on policy that a majority of the American public supports. So are you sure that "Trump is bad" is the thing that'll turn Biden's ship around?

Go find polling for what?

Never mind, as usual you produce little everyone else has to prove their case.

 

[Cardinal]

Might be painful for you, but perhaps look at Biden instead of conspiracy theory. (And you know I agree with you on Trump, but I know you will never admit it.)

What? What are you talking about? What conspiracy theory? Your post is in no way a response to anything I said.

Never mind, as usual you produce little everyone else has to prove their case.

Your rudeness is unwarranted.

 

[OrphanSlug]

What? What are you talking about? What conspiracy theory? Your post is in no way a response to anything I said.

I’ll try again, in the spirit of your exact question.

Why are you not considering that Biden is not doing as well as you suggest? Why is that so hard for you?

Your rudeness is unwarranted.

Fire with fire, I brought something to the table. You have not, again. Where are your stats that Biden is doing as well with the public as you claim he is? By policy, or issue, something.

 

[MamboDervish]

We mustn't overlook the underlying message here, which is that Republicans, including big money donors, KNOW that Donald Trump is a LOSER. They know, beyond any shadow of doubt, that if he runs head to head with anybody across the aisle, he LOSES AGAIN! Even against Joe Biden.

So they have, in effect, defaulted to the only thing that might save him, or save any other presidential candidate with an (R) next to their name, which is to try to siphon off some portion of the sane adults in this country to oppose the Democrat - whether it's Biden, or whoever else that might ultimately be.

Because they know goddamned well that, no matter what the polls say, there's no ****ing way in hell that Trump can win a fair and square presidential election, if it's just between him and anyone else! He LOST his first election by 3 million votes, he LOST the last election by 7 million votes, and there's absolutely nothing he has said or done since that day to win even a single voter over to his column on election day. Nothing. Not even one word, not even one deed, .... not even one more voter.

We know it - they know it - and now we know that they know it, .... because this proves it beyond any doubt.

 

[Cardinal]

I’ll try again, in the spirit of your exact question.

Why are you not considering that Biden is not doing as well as you suggest? Why is that so hard for you?

"Doing well" can mean a myriad of things. Delivering on policy that a majority of Americans approve of (with the one policy exception garnering only 48%, which I've already admitted) is one. The economy doing well is another (wage growth is outstripping inflation, and unemployment is at an all time low). And the fact that he's not the worst human being in America should be another, though it's probably fairer to expect this to take shape during the election next year rather than now. Finally, none of the accusations thrown at him by Republicans have been supported with any evidence.

So given all these things, it's reasonable to expect his approval to be higher. But it's not. Why?

Fire with fire, I brought something to the table. You have not, again. Where are your stats that Biden is doing as well with the public as you claim he is? By policy, or issue, something.

What I've said is that the policies he supports and delivers on are approved by a majority of the public. Is that what you want me to demonstrate? Because I have no problems doing that if that's what you're asking for. I'm already aware that these policies aren't translating into support for Biden is in spite of him delivering them.

And I'm not being rude to you.

 

[anatta]

No Labels is targeting now: centrist Democrats, moderate Republicans, and independents who voted for Biden in 2020 out of disgust for Trump.

^ how awful..lol..
Biden has RFK as a 3rd party and Cornell west as a Green Party Im not sure what states they have actual ballot access in however

 

[anatta]

"Doing well" can mean a myriad of things. Delivering on policy that a majority of Americans approve of (with the one policy exception garnering only 48%, which I've already admitted) is one. The economy doing well is another (wage growth is outstripping inflation). And the fact that he's not the worst human being in America should be another, though it's probably fairer to see this take shape during the election than next year. Finally, none of the accusations thrown at him by Republicans have been supported with any evidence.

So given all these things, it's reasonable to expect his approval to be higher. But it's not. Why?



What I've said is that the policies he supports and delivers on are approved by a majority of the public. Is that what you want me to demonstrate? Because I have no problems doing that if that's what you're asking for. I'm already aware that these policies aren't translating into support for Biden is in spite of him delivering them.

And I'm not being rude to you.

you might want to check that

 

[Roadvirus]

I guess it's up to the democratic leaders in Arizona and everywhere else to get the word out. So not surprised, the republicans simply can't win without CHEATING any way possible.

Cheating? Hardly.

Gerrymandering...that's cheating.
Voter fraud...that's cheating.

 

[Cardinal]

you might want to check that

You're right. I forgot to mention that unemployment is at its lowest point since 1970. Thanks for catching that.

U.S. Unemployment Rate (1948-2025)

Historical chart and data for the united states national unemployment rate back to 1948. Compares the level and annual rate of change.

www.macrotrends.net

 

[Jessie C]

Cheating? Hardly.

Gerrymandering...that's cheating.
Voter fraud...that's cheating.

Setting a complete fool up to muck up the votes isn't cheating? PLEASE! Kennedy is a moronic joke, I wonder how much money the republican party paid him to dilute the democratic vote...call it what you want, I call it cheating.

 

[Roadvirus]

Setting a complete fool up to muck up the votes isn't cheating? PLEASE! Kennedy is a moronic joke, I wonder how much money the republican party paid him to dilute the democratic vote...call it what you want, I call it cheating.

Boo hoo. The Dems propped up Trumpist Republicans during the midterms, hoping they would win their Primaries and look/act so stupid afterward, losing in the General.

And it worked. The GOP's takeover margin in the House was way slimmer then first predicted.

 

[Jessie C]

Boo hoo. The Dems propped up Trumpist Republicans during the midterms, hoping they would win their Primaries and look/act so stupid afterward, losing in the General.

And it worked. The GOP's takeover margin in the House was way slimmer then first predicted.

Touche, the dems were trying to avert a f'ing trainwreck, what's the republicans excuse? Never mind...