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No abortion? Dumpster babies.

MaryP said:
No matter what, the baby pays. I found this very sad. Not shocking, though. Women in desperate situations need support, not threats.

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They (anti-choice) really have shot themselves in the foot. Not only are more desperate women panicking and killing babies, more are also getting abortions. I think they're panicking there too and having them in case they cant work out support networks, their jobs, finances, etc in time. Or at all.

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Abortion has become slightly more common despite bans or deep restrictions in most Republican-controlled states, and the legal and political fights over its future are not over yet.​
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But now, it’s become more common for pill prescriptions to be made by telehealth.​
But a network of efforts to get women seeking abortions to places where they’re legal has strengthened and travel for abortion is now common.​
The Guttmacher Institute found that more than twice as many Texas residents obtained abortion in 2023 in New Mexico as New Mexico residents did. And as many Texans received them in Kansas as Kansans.​
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“Abortion bans don’t actually prevent abortions from happening,” said Ushma Upadhyay, a public health social scientist at the University of California San Francisco. But, she said, they do change care. (Lursa: As we are seeing deaths and close calls in the media)​
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Teatime said:
Child abuse. Anyone doing this should face capitol punishment.
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Instead of investing efforts into catching and prosecuting more and more terrified women, I vote for building a support network within their communities to prevent it from happening at all.
 
Gordy327 said:
If a woman was allowed or able to have an abortion, then there likely would not be any dumpster babies. ABortion seems like an easy and practical solution to that, among other things.
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There is nothing "easy" about having an abortion, @Gordy327. Ask any woman who has had to make that grim choice. It sure beats the suffering a newborn faces being stuck in a garbage bag and thrown in a dumpster, though.
 
MaryP said:
Instead of investing efforts into catching and prosecuting more and more terrified women, I vote for building a support network within their communities to prevent it from happening at all.
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Do that, and also feed child abusers to the wood chipper.
 
MaryP said:
There is nothing "easy" about having an abortion, @Gordy327. Ask any woman who has had to make that grim choice.
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I never said it was easy. Only easier in that regard. Of course, some women may have no issue with having an abortion, so they might think the process is "easy."
MaryP said:
It sure beats the suffering a newborn faces being stuck in a garbage bag and thrown in a dumpster, though.
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Hence the easier part.
MaryP said:
Instead of investing efforts into catching and prosecuting more and more terrified women, I vote for building a support network within their communities to prevent it from happening at all.
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That is a reasonable solution. It's because women are terrified, among other potential reasons, that there are "dumpster babies" to begin with. All the more reason to not have abortion restrictions.
 
j brown's body said:
Legislating virtue is bound to be disappointing.
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And historically, that is a failure. For millennia...a failure to reduce the amount of consensual sex enjoyed by people. Religions have publicly been trying and failing for thousands of yrs.

The very word "conservative" relates to backwards-facing dogma and agendas...and clinging to failed ones none-the-less.
 
reinaert said:
So, put the onus entirely on women. Boys love that shit.
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tshade said:
????? who said that???? (you are losing credibility rein....)
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Integrityrespec said:
This reflects the shameful mindset of those having an abortion. There was another way and they never took a different path. A person willing to toss a baby in a dumpster as opposed to leaving it on the doorstep of an orphanage, a hospital, a fire-station and so on and so on.
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There you go @tshade. That's who is saying that. That and the emergency pregnancy centers that lure in pregnant teens, bully them into giving birth and then refuse to discuss contraceptives with them after giving birth.
 
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weaver2 said:
There you go @tshade. That's who is saying that. That and the emergency pregnancy centers that lure in pregnant teens, bully them into giving birth and then refuse to discuss contraceptives with them after giving birth.
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????????????? anyone credible ???
 
tshade said:
????????????? anyone credible ???
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Is the Catholic Church credible? They are one organization that runs such facilities. There was a lawsuit in CA that tried to stop them and make them present all legal options, which included abortion, but it failed. The win was based on their 1st A rights to religious protections and that they dont take federal $ (not sure about state $).
 
MaryP said:
Try the second link I posted a little after the OP one.
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that's a lot

#1 there should be no illegally here people - fix that and that problem goes away
#2 ... I mean there is a safe law where women can give their babies up - that's a good thing. If a woman wants to kill her unborn by not going to one of those places I mean .... its a free country, she has that choice. The consequences should be prison if the baby dies for sure

I see a lot of good things in that article to help pregnant women ... its their responsibility to be responsible though, nobody can force them
 
stealthycat said:
that's a lot

#1 there should be no illegally here people - fix that and that problem goes away
#2 ... I mean there is a safe law where women can give their babies up - that's a good thing. If a woman wants to kill her unborn by not going to one of those places I mean .... its a free country, she has that choice. The consequences should be prison if the baby dies for sure

I see a lot of good things in that article to help pregnant women ... its their responsibility to be responsible though, nobody can force them
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They are afraid to use official drop stations because they fear being deported. The fact that somehow or other, the police are figuring out who the moms are, might give them pause. But for the babies' sake, something needs to change and it isn't solely up to the mother to make it happen.
 
tshade said:
looks like you drink the koolaid............................you must hang around some dispicable males
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You don't seem to have noticed that almost every male that posts here and identifies as conservative eventually posts that particular sentiment or a similar sentiment about women, responsibility and sex. A Sampler of their comments "birth control is a woman's responsibility", "condoms restrict my pleasure", "if women have sex they should expect to get pregnant" "women should practice abstinence if they don't want to get pregnant" "if women decide to keep a pregnancy and give birth men shouldn't have to pay for their decision", "women have a the option of abortion, men don't. That's not fair", "women ought to be jailed for aborting without consulting the father", "women whine too much, popping out a baby is a perfectly normal process"
 
MaryP said:
I'm sorry, everyone--let's try this one

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Thanks. What an eye opener.
Eighteen states have banned virtually all abortions since Roe v. Wade fell in 2022. The Washington Post examines how several of those states support the two groups most affected by such laws -- women and the children born to them.
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Please, anyone, if you have never watched 'Call the midwife', just watch the episodes dealing with this. It is so educational, I promise.
How sad is it that we have to revisit this after all this time?
 
PeacefulWarrior said:
I notice you put all the onus of "responsibility" on the woman.
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that was the article wasn't it ?

Utah requires men pay 1/2 of all maternity costs - that should be in every state in the USA and in fact, the man should pay 100% IMO and 100% until that life he helped create is 18 years old and an adult

the man and woman chose sex, created a life - there is responsibility there
 
stealthycat said:
that was the article wasn't it ?

Utah requires men pay 1/2 of all maternity costs - that should be in every state in the USA and in fact, the man should pay 100% IMO and 100% until that life he helped create is 18 years old and an adult
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Abortion is far cheaper than child rearing. It's quite the economical option.
stealthycat said:
the man and woman chose sex, created a life - there is responsibility there
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Says who? By what authority? If the woman does not or cannot deal with "responsibility," abortion is a responsible option.
 
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