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No 2A = A nation of lemmings cowering in their own homes

Toggle Almendro said:
Humanity has considered keeping and bearing arms as a right of free people for thousands of years now.
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You're not addressing my point. What other measures of freedom do you think exist? Or is gun ownership the only one?
 
Aristaeus said:
Loo. You know that Iraqis were allowed to own guns under Saddam Hussein, right?
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Good for Saddam Hussein.


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Phys251 said:
You're not addressing my point. What other measures of freedom do you think exist? Or is gun ownership the only one?
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I do not give any thought to the question of whether other measures of freedom exist or not.
 
Toggle Almendro said:
No. You are using an ancient technique called making up BS.

You guys don't do prevention. You simply don't attempt as many homicides to begin with.
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People are deterred from attempting as many homicides in the UK. Deterrents tend to have that effect.

Folks in the UK are about 6 times better at deterring homicides than the John Wayne wannabes across the pond.

Toggle Almendro said:
There are some preventative things that can be done, but foolproof prevention is a myth.
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Some folks are about 6 times as successful at preventing homicides as others.

Toggle Almendro said:
Wrong again. Armed Americans are pretty good at gunning down attackers.
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Not really. They aren’t good enough shots to deter attackers nearly as well as folks in any other developed country.
 
Toggle Almendro said:
You're thinking like a serf, which stands to reason because of your lack of freedom, but you have no clue how an American thinks.

Americans do not buy guns because of need or fear. We buy guns because we choose to do so.

And some people in the UK did want to own guns. You are whitewashing your history.
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And you have no clue how British people think.

It's not about lack of freedom, it's about we never wanted to even when we could (less than 0.3% of the population owned a handgun when they were legal) .
Most people in the UK could choose to own a shotgun if they really wanted to, yet only 1.5% do.
 
Toggle Almendro said:
Good for Saddam Hussein.


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I do not give any thought to the question of whether other measures of freedom exist or not.
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Were Iraqi people under Hussein free? Were they freer than the people of the UK?
 
AConcernedCitizen said:
People are deterred from attempting as many homicides in the UK. Deterrents tend to have that effect.
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We have even harsher deterrents here in the US.


AConcernedCitizen said:
Folks in the UK are about 6 times better at deterring homicides than the John Wayne wannabes across the pond.
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No they aren't.


AConcernedCitizen said:
Some folks are about 6 times as successful at preventing homicides as others.
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No they aren't.


AConcernedCitizen said:
Not really. They aren’t good enough shots to deter attackers nearly as well as folks in any other developed country.
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Yes they are.
 
Aristaeus said:
And you have no clue how British people think.
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I know they keep babbling endlessly about "need" as if they had to have their lord agree that they need a gun before being allowed to have it.


Aristaeus said:
It's not about lack of freedom, it's about we never wanted to even when we could (less than 0.3% of the population owned a handgun when they were legal) .
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No, the UK really does lack freedom. They abolished it in 1920 I believe.


Aristaeus said:
Most people in the UK could choose to own a shotgun if they really wanted to, yet only 1.5% do.
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A shotgun limited to three rounds.

Once again, what if it takes more than three rounds to defend your home?


Aristaeus said:
Were Iraqi people under Hussein free?
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Don't know.


Aristaeus said:
Were they freer than the people of the UK?
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Yes.
 
Toggle Almendro said:
We have even harsher deterrents here in the US.
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Given that your homicide rate is 6x higher, how can you claim your deterrents are better at preventing homicides???

If the choice is not being attacked at all or having to get into a gunfight to stop an attack, I'd go with the former. ou're free to disagree, but that's a strange outlook. Chances of being killed when not attacked 0%, chances of being killed in a gunfight 50%.
 
Toggle Almendro said:
Once again, what if it takes more than three rounds to defend your home?
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I don't know. My home has never been invaded by robocop. If three shotgun rounds isn't enough to disable an intruder, then a handgun isn't going to be much use.

Toggle Almendro said:
Yes.
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And we're done. If you think Iraqis under Saddam Hussein were freer than people in the UK, then there's clearly no point in carrying on this debate.
 
Maidenrules29 said:
A 105 lb female stopping a rape by shooting and killing a 200 lb male would-be rapist is a pretty good example of an effective method of self-defense. How do women protect themselves against rapists in G.B.?
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They don’t. They just get groomed by the immigrant population in the UK and passed around. And the Labour (leftist) government covers it up.

www.theguardian.com

Grooming gangs in UK thrived in ‘culture of ignorance’, Casey report says

Public inquiry will examine repeated failures that prevented abuse against children being properly investigated
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
JMB1911A1 said:
Read the article. It is not about spousal abuse. What is about is a disgusting network of immigrant rape gangs in the UK enabled by their leftist DEI policies.
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Why do you support spousal abuse? And what DEI policy supports immigrant rape? At you saying that non whites automatically rape women? You're the one arming their rapists though? You're all over the place with your racist and misogyny arguments.
 
RF667799 said:
When you want to support your claim (Most spousal abuse is from gun owners.) let us know.
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When you want to stop supporting spousal abuse, let the rest of us know.
 
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