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NIST's Fraudulent Report on the Collapse of WTC7 on 9/11 [W:2152,2510]

And yet, none of that proves foreknowledge. It is, however, a great example of how the not too bright can manipulate quotes and events to misrepresent evidence for those who are even thicker.

I love the naïve extrapolation that the early reports are evidence of foreknowledge. That is such a great example of the poor reasoning behind much of 9/11 truth.
 
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Yes, it was people from Rudy Giuliani's office who first put out words to the effect that "Building 7 is lost" and "Building 7 is going to collapse" and that is where the firefighters got it from.

Yeah. There was enough there and we were marking off. There were a lot of damaged apparatus there that were covered. We tried to get searches in those areas. By now, this is going on into the afternoon, and we were concerned about additional collapse, not only of the Marriott, because there was a good portion of the Marriott still standing, but also we were pretty sure that 7 World Trade Center would collapse. Early on, we saw a bulge in the southwest corner between floors 10 and 13, and we had put a transit on that and we were pretty sure she was going to collapse. You actually could see there was a visible bulge, it ran up about three floors. It came down about 5 o’clock in the afternoon, but by about 2 o’clock in the afternoon we realized this thing was going to collapse.


Looks like the FIREFIGHTERS informed Rudy Giuliani's office.

It is clear that Rudy Giuliani and a few of his subordinates were among the major criminals involved in the events of Sept. 11, 2001 in NYC and its subsequent cover-up, along with Joseph Allbaugh of FEMA and his small entourage. Isn't it interesting that Allbaugh and his boys were already there in Lower Manhattan on Sept. 10th and took immediate control of the investigation on the 11th?

MORE accusation bereft of EVIDENCE.... MORE people "in on it".

How many more Tony?

Do you want to talk about Rudy's police chief, Bernard Kerik, who said there were no explosives involved when Rudy deferred to him on a question about it at a news conference on the night of Sept. 11, 2001? How could Bernie have possibly known that at that point?

Why would I want to talk about MORE IRRELEVANT nonsense, Tony? Trying to divert from the FACT the FIREFIGHTERS noticed signs of impending collapse?
 
And yet, none of that proves foreknowledge. It is, however, a great example of how the not too bright can manipulate quotes and events to misrepresent evidence for those who are even thicker.

I love the naïve extrapolation that the early reports are evidence of foreknowledge. That is such a great example of the poor reasoning behind much of 9/11 truth.

I wonder which web site Bob copied and pasted that from without due credit.

Also wonder if he might ever post his own thoughts about why Dr. Evil had to issue a press release about his super-secret plans to blow up an unknown and unimportant building that served no purpose to the plot.
 
....How could Bernie have possibly known that at that point?
Because anyone with the slightest level of intelligence, personal integrity and expertise in the relevant disciplines understood from the start;
1) It was a steel framed building subject to intensive fires which were unfought as a direct consequence of resource limitations in the chaos of that day;
2) The design of steel framed buildings is premised on the inherent risk of steel subjected to fire. The primary objective is evacuation of the occupants. That happened.
3) The potential for it to fall or not fall was there - fall happened.
4) There never was never has been the slightest evidence for use of explosives at either of the two levels of dishonest focus so beloved of truthers viz:
(a) The false narrow focus on details and deliberate avoiding of all details or full context which you and those of similar untruthful bent impose on alleged engineering based claims; OR
(b) At the level of logistic and security improbability so high as to mean impossibility to any reasonable person (or set of 12 "reasonable persons")
 
I wonder which web site Bob copied and pasted that from without due credit.

Also wonder if he might ever post his own thoughts about why Dr. Evil had to issue a press release about his super-secret plans to blow up an unknown and unimportant building that served no purpose to the plot.

Yes, the contention that TPTB inadvertently leaked the information early regarding the collapse of 7WTC is just plain stupid. Actually, all the truther claims about 7WTC are stupid.
 
Yes, it was people from Rudy Giuliani's office who first put out words to the effect that "Building 7 is lost" and "Building 7 is going to collapse" and that is where the firefighters got it from.

Yeah. There was enough there and we were marking off. There were a lot of damaged apparatus there that were covered. We tried to get searches in those areas. By now, this is going on into the afternoon, and we were concerned about additional collapse, not only of the Marriott, because there was a good portion of the Marriott still standing, but also we were pretty sure that 7 World Trade Center would collapse. Early on, we saw a bulge in the southwest corner between floors 10 and 13, and we had put a transit on that and we were pretty sure she was going to collapse. You actually could see there was a visible bulge, it ran up about three floors. It came down about 5 o’clock in the afternoon, but by about 2 o’clock in the afternoon we realized this thing was going to collapse.


Looks like the FIREFIGHTERS informed Rudy Giuliani's office.

It is clear that Rudy Giuliani and a few of his subordinates were among the major criminals involved in the events of Sept. 11, 2001 in NYC and its subsequent cover-up, along with Joseph Allbaugh of FEMA and his small entourage. Isn't it interesting that Allbaugh and his boys were already there in Lower Manhattan on Sept. 10th and took immediate control of the investigation on the 11th?

MORE accusation bereft of EVIDENCE.... MORE people "in on it".

How many more Tony?

Do you want to talk about Rudy's police chief, Bernard Kerik, who said there were no explosives involved when Rudy deferred to him on a question about it at a news conference on the night of Sept. 11, 2001? How could Bernie have possibly known that at that point?

Why would I want to talk about MORE IRRELEVANT nonsense, Tony? Trying to divert from the FACT the FIREFIGHTERS noticed signs of impending collapse?

See page 114 of David Griffin's book "The Mysterious Collapse of World Trade Center 7" for the point about the firefighters being told to stop fighting the fires in the building by a fire captain because he had been told by somebody from Rudy Giuliani's Office of Emergency Management that the building was lost and is going to come down.

How did Rudy Giuliani's no college degree police commissioner, Bernie Kerik, know there were no explosives in the twin towers on the night of 911? He is on tape saying there wasn't that night. Just think about that.

Think about the fact that George W. Bush's crony and appointed FEMA director Joseph Allbaugh and a small crew were in Lower Manhattan on Sept. 10th and took immediate control of the investigation.

And finally, think about the fact that the first utterances that WTC 7 "was lost" and "was going to collapse" came from Rudy Giuliani's office, in spite of the fact that no steel framed high rise had ever collapsed due to fire and the events alleged to have caused it could not occur until minutes before it happened.

We also shouldn't forget that it was Rudy's office who thought it prudent to recycle all of the steel before it could be fully examined and analyzed.

This is essentially people at the top controlling things in a clandestine criminal act and does not require a cast of thousands to be involved in the conspiracy. There really is little doubt that Rudy and Joey and a couple of their people were involved and they should be investigated and deposed.

Rudy was also going around on 911 saying "thank God George Bush is president". Just take some time to think about that ridiculous statement. These guys weren't even that good but people like you are letting them get away with it.
 
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See page 114 of David Griffin's book "The Mysterious Collapse of World Trade Center 7" for the point about the firefighters being told to stop fighting the fires in the building by a fire captain because he had been told by somebody from Rudy Giuliani's Office of Emergency Management that the building was lost and is going to come down.

How did Rudy Giuliani's no college degree police commissioner, Bernie Kerik, know there were no explosives in the twin towers on the night of 911? He is on tape saying there wasn't that night. Just think about that.

Think about the fact that George W. Bush's crony and appointed FEMA director Joseph Allbaugh and a small crew were in Lower Manhattan on Sept. 10th and took immediate control of the investigation.

And finally, think about the fact that the first utterances that WTC 7 "was lost" and "was going to collapse" came from Rudy Giuliani's office, in spite of the fact that no steel framed high rise had ever collapsed due to fire and the events alleged to have caused it could not occur until minutes before it happened.

We also shouldn't forget that it was Rudy's office who thought it prudent to recycle all of the steel before it could be fully examined and analyzed.

This is essentially people at the top controlling things in a clandestine criminal act and does not require a cast of thousands to be involved in the conspiracy. There really is little doubt that Rudy and Joey and a couple of their people were involved and they should be investigated and deposed.

Rudy was also going around on 911 saying "thank God George Bush is president". Just take some time to think about that ridiculous statement. These guys weren't even that good but people like you are letting them get away with it.

Rather than parsing through the mind-numbing nonsense above perhaps Tony you could shed some light on why Mayor Guiliani decided to attack not just his own city of New York but also Washington DC?
 
These guys weren't even that good but people like you are letting them get away with it.

People like Maus are irrelevant. Those who defend nearly every single aspect of the official narrative 24/7 and question nothing about it are not genuine, they have some sort of agenda or are so deeply cognitive dissonant that no argument is going to shake them out of their intense fear. I would guess that some of them even know what the implications are but are afflicted with Stockholm Syndrome.

Posts 1549 & 1550 reveal from various eyewitness statements and the timings of those statements that some people KNEW WTC7 was going to be destroyed because that's what they were told. What also corroborates it is the FACT that there is eyewitness testimony to a countdown timed nearly to the second of the building's destruction.

 
lol David Griffin

It's odd how there's people that just never question how Francis Ford Coppola directed The Godfather. They don't question anything about that! I can't explain it, other than that they must be afraid.
 
People like Maus are irrelevant. Those who defend nearly every single aspect of the official narrative 24/7 and question nothing about it are not genuine, they have some sort of agenda or are so deeply cognitive dissonant that no argument is going to shake them out of their intense fear. I would guess that some of them even know what the implications are but are afflicted with Stockholm Syndrome.

Posts 1549 & 1550 reveal from various eyewitness statements and the timings of those statements that some people KNEW WTC7 was going to be destroyed because that's what they were told. What also corroborates it is the FACT that there is eyewitness testimony to a countdown timed nearly to the second of the building's destruction.

Nobody denies there was knowledge 7 World Trade Center would collapse. Firefighters - people with extensive experience of damaged buildings - had assessed hours before the building finally came down that 7 World Trade Center was badly damaged, had un-fought fires raging throughout and was in danger of collapse. That is the prosaic explanation.

The laughably stupid explanation is the evil doers spent months and untold resources secretly wiring 24 columns x 8 floors of this unknown and unimportant building with explosives for no particular reason since it in now way furthered the plot, all without anyone noticing anything was amiss. Then these same evil plotters decided they couldn't trust the media to notice a 47 story building falling down so they decided to issue a press release in advance to all the major news outlets, thus totally blowing their plan - all again for no apparent reason as this also does nothing to further the plot. It would however stand an almost 100% chance of exposing the plot.

So tell us again why the evildoers decided to announce their top secret plans to the press?
 
See page 114 of David Griffin's book "The Mysterious Collapse of World Trade Center 7" for the point about the firefighters being told to stop fighting the fires in the building by a fire captain because he had been told by somebody from Rudy Giuliani's Office of Emergency Management that the building was lost and is going to come down.

David Griffin? Why? Does he include the following?

Yeah. There was enough there and we were marking off. There were a lot of damaged apparatus there that were covered. We tried to get searches in those areas. By now, this is going on into the afternoon, and we were concerned about additional collapse, not only of the Marriott, because there was a good portion of the Marriott still standing, but also we were pretty sure that 7 World Trade Center would collapse. Early on, we saw a bulge in the southwest corner between floors 10 and 13, and we had put a transit on that and we were pretty sure she was going to collapse. You actually could see there was a visible bulge, it ran up about three floors. It came down about 5 o’clock in the afternoon, but by about 2 o’clock in the afternoon we realized this thing was going to collapse.


How did Rudy Giuliani's no college degree police commissioner, Bernie Kerik, know there were no explosives in the twin towers on the night of 911? He is on tape saying there wasn't that night. Just think about that.

Irrelevant

Think about the fact that George W. Bush's crony and appointed FEMA director Joseph Allbaugh and a small crew were in Lower Manhattan on Sept. 10th and took immediate control of the investigation.

Also irrelevant.

And finally, think about the fact that the first utterances that WTC 7 "was lost" and "was going to collapse" came from Rudy Giuliani's office, in spite of the fact that no steel framed high rise had ever collapsed due to fire and the events alleged to have caused it could not occur until minutes before it happened.

Once again irrelevant EVEN IF TRUE (which, according to the FIREFIGHTERS, they came to that conclusions LONG before the collapses... "It came down about 5 o’clock in the afternoon, but by about 2 o’clock in the afternoon we realized this thing was going to collapse."

We also shouldn't forget that it was Rudy's office who thought it prudent to recycle all of the steel before it could be fully examined and analyzed.

All the steel? That LIE? Really?

This is essentially people at the top controlling things in a clandestine criminal act and does not require a cast of thousands to be involved in the conspiracy. There really is little doubt that Rudy and Joey and a couple of their people were involved and they should be investigated and deposed.

No, it is a case of people who can't think beyond their biases refusing to believe reality and instead accuse a "cast of thousands" of being complicit while giving the REAL perpetrators a pass.

Rudy was also going around on 911 saying "thank God George Bush is president". Just take some time to think about that ridiculous statement. These guys weren't even that good but people like you are letting them get away with it.

And once again... IRRELEVANT....
 
Nobody denies there was knowledge 7 World Trade Center would collapse. Firefighters - people with extensive experience of damaged buildings - had assessed hours before the building finally came down that 7 World Trade Center was badly damaged, had un-fought fires raging throughout and was in danger of collapse. That is the prosaic explanation.

And I suppose the above explains not only that they knew for a fact the building was going to collapse, some up to 4 hours in advance, even though there's no historical precedent (firefighters with extensive knowledge know that and NIST said the damage did not contribute to the collapse), also explains the reports within minutes of the collapse (seconds in one case) and especially the countdown at the exact moment it collapsed.

The laughably stupid explanation

Yes your laughably stupid explanation is noted but who cares?
 
And I suppose the above explains not only that they knew for a fact the building was going to collapse, some up to 4 hours in advance, even though there's no historical precedent (firefighters with extensive knowledge know that and NIST said the damage did not contribute to the collapse), also explains the reports within minutes of the collapse (seconds in one case) and especially the countdown at the exact moment it collapsed.

Yes your laughably stupid explanation is noted but who cares?

FIREFIGHTERS with extensive knowledge are the ones who UNDERSTAND what fire can do to steel..

FIREFIGHTERS with extensive knowledge are the ones that realized WTC7 was going to collapse by about 2PM.

And you COMPLETELY missrepresent the statement about the bulge. The bulge is INDEPENDENT of the gash in the building NIST refers to.
 
And I suppose the above explains not only that they knew for a fact the building was going to collapse, some up to 4 hours in advance, even though there's no historical precedent (firefighters with extensive knowledge know that and NIST said the damage did not contribute to the collapse), also explains the reports within minutes of the collapse (seconds in one case) and especially the countdown at the exact moment it collapsed.

Yes your laughably stupid explanation is noted but who cares?

I've posed the question 4 times now Bob, how about providing an answer: Why did the Dr. Evil issue a press release, exposing his ultra top secret plan?
 
I have to wonder if Bob knows it hurts his case when he can't express what the official story is when asked, what a stand down order is when asked, why did the press release go out when asked, who was ordered to stand down when asked, etc etc.

He HAS to know it doesn't help it, but I honestly wonder if he realizes it hurts it. I think there's a religious zeal involved: "I can't really answer these questions, but I just KNOW it was an inside job by the evil government and everyone else must just KNOW it, too, regardless of these 'trick' questions." (Trick because he apparently knows answering them would be bad, but they just must be tricks, he thinks, because he just intuitively KNOWS the "truth")
 
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I have to wonder if Bob knows it hurts his case when he can't express what the official story when asked, what a stand down order is when asked, why did the press release go out when asked, who was ordered to stand down when asked, etc etc.

He HAS to know it doesn't help it, but I honestly wonder if he realizes it hurts it. I think there's a religious zeal involved: "I can't really answer these questions, but I just KNOW it was an issue job by the evil government and everyone else must just KNOW it, too, regardless of these 'trick' questions." (Trick because he apparently knows answering them would be bad, but they just must be tricks, he thinks, because he just intuitively KNOWS the "truth")

This goes back to the do/can not think issue, and why Bob's posts contain ever greater layers of fog and evasion.
 
I've posed the question 4 times now Bob, how about providing an answer: Why did the Dr. Evil issue a press release, exposing his ultra top secret plan?

Oh I should have added about firefighters with extensive knowledge knowing the building was going to collapse. NIST didn't know that but firefighters did (according to your claim). NIST first said that they could not get a handle on why it collapsed. It took a few years of concocted computer simulations to get to the eureka moment. Each computer simulation took an excruciating amount of time to complete (as NIST admitted) and the data had to be manipulated often to arrive at the right concoction. Then NIST claimed it was "obvious" and it was a NEW PHENOMENON, thermal expansion that caused it to collapse. But despite that it was a NEW PHENOMENON, firefighters knew that from their vast experience and extensive knowledge. They must have run those computers simulations in their collective brains and figured out that thermal expansion would eventually dislodge column 79 and some even knew down to the second when it was going to happen because even NIST didn't know that. And the whole thing was so obvious it wasn't necessary that NIST investigate any of these foreknowledge accounts.

Who is Dr. Evil? You better check with your analyst why you have some Dr. Evil buzzing around you, it sounds like it's impacting your thought processes and causing you to come up with the darnedest ideas about firefighters.
 
Oh I should have added about firefighters with extensive knowledge knowing the building was going to collapse. NIST didn't know that but firefighters did (according to your claim). NIST first said that they could not get a handle on why it collapsed. It took a few years of concocted computer simulations to get to the eureka moment. Each computer simulation took an excruciating amount of time to complete (as NIST admitted) and the data had to be manipulated often to arrive at the right concoction. Then NIST claimed it was "obvious" and it was a NEW PHENOMENON, thermal expansion that caused it to collapse. But despite that it was a NEW PHENOMENON, firefighters knew that from their vast experience and extensive knowledge. They must have run those computers simulations in their collective brains and figured out that thermal expansion would eventually dislodge column 79 and some even knew down to the second when it was going to happen because even NIST didn't know that. And the whole thing was so obvious it wasn't necessary that NIST investigate any of these foreknowledge accounts.

The one has nothing to do with the other. NIST were looking for the specific point of failure. The firefighters immediate concerns were not at that level of detail. Their immediate concern was is this building coming down not do you suppose thermal expansion is occurring at column 79 about the 13th floor.

Apples and oranges.

Who is Dr. Evil? You better check with your analyst why you have some Dr. Evil buzzing around you, it sounds like it's impacting your thought processes and causing you to come up with the darnedest ideas about firefighters.

In your typical pattern of being foggy and evasive you refuse to say who the evil plotters were, or to explain in spite of being asked 4 times why she/he/they felt the need to reveal their nefarious plans in a press release. Since you won't identify them and we have to call him/her/them something,...
 
Oh I should have added about firefighters with extensive knowledge knowing the building was going to collapse. NIST didn't know that but firefighters did (according to your claim). NIST first said that they could not get a handle on why it collapsed. It took a few years of concocted computer simulations to get to the eureka moment. Each computer simulation took an excruciating amount of time to complete (as NIST admitted) and the data had to be manipulated often to arrive at the right concoction. Then NIST claimed it was "obvious" and it was a NEW PHENOMENON, thermal expansion that caused it to collapse. But despite that it was a NEW PHENOMENON, firefighters knew that from their vast experience and extensive knowledge. They must have run those computers simulations in their collective brains and figured out that thermal expansion would eventually dislodge column 79 and some even knew down to the second when it was going to happen because even NIST didn't know that. And the whole thing was so obvious it wasn't necessary that NIST investigate any of these foreknowledge accounts.

Who is Dr. Evil? You better check with your analyst why you have some Dr. Evil buzzing around you, it sounds like it's impacting your thought processes and causing you to come up with the darnedest ideas about firefighters.

Yeah. There was enough there and we were marking off. There were a lot of damaged apparatus there that were covered. We tried to get searches in those areas. By now, this is going on into the afternoon, and we were concerned about additional collapse, not only of the Marriott, because there was a good portion of the Marriott still standing, but also we were pretty sure that 7 World Trade Center would collapse. Early on, we saw a bulge in the southwest corner between floors 10 and 13, and we had put a transit on that and we were pretty sure she was going to collapse. You actually could see there was a visible bulge, it ran up about three floors. It came down about 5 o’clock in the afternoon, but by about 2 o’clock in the afternoon we realized this thing was going to collapse.

The FIREFIGHTERS were concerned about a COLLAPSE...

The NIST was concerned WHY the COLLAPSE occurred.
 
The one has nothing to do with the other. NIST were looking for the specific point of failure. The firefighters immediate concerns were not at that level of detail.

So what level of detail made them know for sure it was collapsing that NIST had no clue about for a few years? The mysterious "bulge" that never appears in any photo or video and that had nothing to do with the collapse?

Their immediate concern was is this building coming down not do you suppose thermal expansion is occurring at column 79 about the 13th floor.

And they knew it was collapsing down to a few minutes and in one case, they could even count it down to the second. And who do you suppose buys this delusion? Oh right, all the ones who spend 24/7 defending the fairy tale in this forum.

So to summarize the fairy tale.

1. 4 hours before it collapsed, they knew it was going to happen, because of the bulge that didn't cause the collapse.
2. Minutes before the collapse, they knew it was going to collapse within minutes because of the bulge that someone saw 4 hours earlier.
3. Someone told the MSM it was going to collapse a few minutes before and two of them made a mistake and reported it as a collapse about 20 minutes before it did. One said it already collapsed but it collapsed as they were saying it already collapsed. One said it was going to collapse about a minute before it did.
4. Seconds before the collapse, they started the countdown because the bulge told them to count down at that time but the bulge wasn't responsible for the collapse anyway.
5. NIST initially didn't know about any of the above and didn't ask anyone who knew and didn't mention anything about a bulge. The cause of the collapse was a mystery even though firefighters knew from experience what no firefighter ever experienced. Maybe they should have just asked the firefighters and saved over 2 years of playing computer programming GIGO. Then they could have just said it was the bulge when it wasn't.
6. 2+ years later, NIST had a eureka moment because they figured out if you leave out a few things here and there and make up a few things here and there, a NEW PHENOMENA happens, thermal expansion, which has nothing to do with a bulge or a countdown.

What's there to think about? You truthers just don't think. The above logic is brought to you by those who think. You can't make this schyt up if you tried.
 
So what level of detail made them know for sure it was collapsing that NIST had no clue about for a few years? The mysterious "bulge" that never appears in any photo or video and that had nothing to do with the collapse?



And they knew it was collapsing down to a few minutes and in one case, they could even count it down to the second. And who do you suppose buys this delusion? Oh right, all the ones who spend 24/7 defending the fairy tale in this forum.

So to summarize the fairy tale.

1. 4 hours before it collapsed, they knew it was going to happen, because of the bulge that didn't cause the collapse.
2. Minutes before the collapse, they knew it was going to collapse within minutes because of the bulge that someone saw 4 hours earlier.
3. Someone told the MSM it was going to collapse a few minutes before and two of them made a mistake and reported it as a collapse about 20 minutes before it did. One said it already collapsed but it collapsed as they were saying it already collapsed. One said it was going to collapse about a minute before it did.
4. Seconds before the collapse, they started the countdown because the bulge told them to count down at that time but the bulge wasn't responsible for the collapse anyway.
5. NIST initially didn't know about any of the above and didn't ask anyone who knew and didn't mention anything about a bulge. The cause of the collapse was a mystery even though firefighters knew from experience what no firefighter ever experienced. Maybe they should have just asked the firefighters and saved over 2 years of playing computer programming GIGO. Then they could have just said it was the bulge when it wasn't.
6. 2+ years later, NIST had a eureka moment because they figured out if you leave out a few things here and there and make up a few things here and there, a NEW PHENOMENA happens, thermal expansion, which has nothing to do with a bulge or a countdown.

What's there to think about? You truthers just don't think. The above logic is brought to you by those who think. You can't make this schyt up if you tried.

The whole story is preposterous, but many americans are conditioned to accept the preposterous and ridiculous, as long as the government asserts it.
 
So what level of detail made them know for sure it was collapsing that NIST had no clue about for a few years? The mysterious "bulge" that never appears in any photo or video and that had nothing to do with the collapse?

ANY instability in a STEEL FRAMED BUILDING which is suffering a major fire is cause for concern. Anyone who understands fire, steel and construction knows that,

And they knew it was collapsing down to a few minutes and in one case, they could even count it down to the second. And who do you suppose buys this delusion? Oh right, all the ones who spend 24/7 defending the fairy tale in this forum.

WHAT are you babbling about?

So to summarize the fairy tale.

Now, to address REALITY.

1. 4 hours before it collapsed, they knew it was going to happen, because of the bulge that didn't cause the collapse.

Hours before it collapsed, they knew it was were pretty sure to happen, because of the bulge that signaled structural instability.

2. Minutes before the collapse, they knew it was going to collapse within minutes because of the bulge that someone saw 4 hours earlier.

What are you babbling about? They established a collapse zone and waited for the collapse.

3. Someone told the MSM it was going to collapse a few minutes before and two of them made a mistake and reported it as a collapse about 20 minutes before it did. One said it already collapsed but it collapsed as they were saying it already collapsed. One said it was going to collapse about a minute before it did.

Someone told various reporters the building was showing signs of structural instability and may fall.... Some outlets mistakenly reported WTC7 collapsed.

4. Seconds before the collapse, they started the countdown because the bulge told them to count down at that time but the bulge wasn't responsible for the collapse anyway.


What are you babbling about? And WHY would the EVILE POWERS THAT BE give ANYONE a "count down". That is Hollywood style stupid.

5. NIST initially didn't know about any of the above and didn't ask anyone who knew and didn't mention anything about a bulge. The cause of the collapse was a mystery even though firefighters knew from experience what no firefighter ever experienced. Maybe they should have just asked the firefighters and saved
over 2 years of playing computer programming GIGO. Then they could have just said it was the bulge when it wasn't.


What are you babbling about? NIST DID know about the factors that led to the collapse. And the REASON for the collapse was not a real mystery. They knew it was fire related. Stop trying to make the FIREFIGHTERS into TRUTHERS because they aren't.

The BULGE did not CAUSE the collapse. The bulge INDICATED structural instability. What part of that can't you handle?

6. 2+ years later, NIST had a eureka moment because they figured out if you leave out a few things here and there and make up a few things here and there, a NEW PHENOMENA happens, thermal expansion, which has nothing to do with a bulge or a countdown.


Thermal expansion was known long before 9/11. You are lying again. How it affected WTC7 was unique.

What's there to think about? You truthers just don't think. The above logic is brought to you by those who think. You can't make this schyt up if you tried.

Actually you have PROVED that someone can make schyt up... You just did it. You are pretty much 0 for 6 in the accuracy department.
 
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