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NIST's Fraudulent Report on the Collapse of WTC7 on 9/11 [W:2152,2510]

The problem for those trying to defend the present official story is they don't have explanations that match observation. In simple words, what they say happened is not what happened. All three WTC buildings were brought down via controlled demolition and as others have said here, it is essentially clear as day when one actually looks at it. The dynamics of the falls says it all and the squibs, which are very noticeable in the North Tower, reinforce that conclusion.

So there is no other explantion for the "squibs" other then CD?

Seems many engineers and specialist disagree with your conclusion.

Also Tony. It has been said many times that their are those that accept a fire induced collapse as the most probable causes of WTC1,2,7 collapse. This conclusion is based on information from many sources. A fire induced collapse is a probable cause without accepting 100% of the official report. You and others seem to keep grouping those of us who accept the fire induced collapse as supporting 100% of the official report. It would be the same as grouping all of the controlled demolition believers into the same group. We all know there have been many CD explanations from convential explosives, nukes, thermite, nanothermite, neutron bomb, and energy beam.

There are fire induced collape explanations that do match observation.
 
I think it was more than 4 media outlets that prematurely reported the demise of 7 World Trade Center.

So what?

So everything, but not for you of course. The reports that it had already come down or was about to come down came minutes before it actually came down. The timing couldn't be more obvious. Before 9/11, no other building had ever collapsed due to fire so there was no precedent to predict a collapse, much less a timed event. It even went to the level of a known documented countdown (outside the MSM reports) and there were other reports of foreknowledge hours before the building's collapse. All of it required investigation, which was NIST's domain and deliberate failure.
 
There are fire induced collape explanations that do match observation.

Forget about explanations, there are "explanations" about all sorts of things. I'm still waiting for any REAL WORLD EXAMPLE of any fire induced global collapse of any sizable building outside of 9/11.
 
Forget about explanations, there are "explanations" about all sorts of things. I'm still waiting for any REAL WORLD EXAMPLE of any fire induced global collapse of any sizable building outside of 9/11.

Question. How many other high rises were build the same as the WTC1,2 or 7?
How many were damaged first by impact, then burned?

I am still waiting for the one clear concise report on controlled demoliton of the wtc1,2,7. With all the specifics.

and it is noted your response does nothing to refute the fact that the fire induced collapse is a probable cause of the building failure.
 
So everything, but not for you of course. The reports that it had already come down or was about to come down came minutes before it actually came down. The timing couldn't be more obvious. Before 9/11, no other building had ever collapsed due to fire so there was no precedent to predict a collapse, much less a timed event. It even went to the level of a known documented countdown (outside the MSM reports) and there were other reports of foreknowledge hours before the building's collapse. All of it required investigation, which was NIST's domain and deliberate failure.

The media gets things wrong. Sometimes a lot of things a lot of the time.

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Sometimes it can be quite simple. For example, every time I have been interviewed by a newspaper or the TV news they have managed to get my name wrong. Even though my name is not difficult and I even give them my business card they still manage to **** it up.

In the rush to be first with breaking news on what was probably the most intense and chaotic day any of these players had ever experienced the fact that there were hundreds, if not thousands of erroneous, incomplete and inaccurate reports is not exactly a surprise.

The first erroneous report of 7's collapse was in the morning just after the collapse of the North Tower by Rueter's who shortly afterwards issued a retraction and apology. The reports then came throughout the day. Dan Rather over at CBS reported that 7 had either collapsed or was about to collapse at about 4:00pm - nearly an hour and a half before it came down - and he was beat to the punch by Tom Brokaw at NBC. There was no "obvious timing" about it, whatever it is you think you mean by that - your (probably intentional) vagueness being noted.

It apparently bears repeating for you again. That 7 World Trade was in a precarious state and in danger of imminent collapse had been known and reported for HOURS before the building actually fell at 5:20pm. Everyone was waiting for it to collapse because the fire department had been warning for hours that the building was unstable. Only to conspiracy theorists is this apparently a big mystery. What obviously happened is that with all the predictions the media was given about a pending collapse, someone mistakenly said "did collapse" instead of "will collapse" or "might collapse." CNN had been reporting for hours they had been told by the FDNY the building was on fire and in danger of collapsing. Then about 2 hours before it actually came down CNN anchor Aaron Brown said:

"We are getting information now that one of other buildings, building 7, in the world trade center complex is on fire and has either collapsed or is collapsing."

In the heat of a high confused evolving situation and the desire of all media outlets to be first with a story such mistakes in early reporting are normal, particularly in live coverage. The premature report of WTC7's collapse is no different. That the building was going to be coming down wasn't unexpected - it had been reported in the news coverage all afternoon that the building was unsound and in danger of collapse. It is not too hard to see how someone might take a statement that it will collapse soon and mistakenly turn that into it has collapsed considering the chaos of the day. I think my explanation is far more reasonable and plausible than whatever it is you are offering - I don't really know what you are offering because you are, as usual, going out of your way to not be specific.

Are you trying to say the media were given a script of the days itinerary by Dr. Evil and either didn't follow the timeline properly or the timeline got out of sync? Is that what you are saying, that the media were given advanced notice of the intentional demolition of 7 World Trade Center?
 
Question. How many other high rises were build the same as the WTC1,2 or 7?
How many were damaged first by impact, then burned?

I am still waiting for the one clear concise report on controlled demoliton of the wtc1,2,7. With all the specifics.

and it is noted your response does nothing to refute the fact that the fire induced collapse is a probable cause of the building failure.

What does any of the above have to do with any real world example?
 
What does any of the above have to do with any real world example?

You want the example to be the same as the wtc don't you?

You have any examples of a CD of a high raise that was built the same as that was damaged by debris and burned for hours before the CD was done?
 
What does any of the above have to do with any real world example?

To say that the construction of 7 WTC was unique would be an understatement. The buildings unique construction was at least as much a contributing factor to her collapse as the also unique nature of the damage she suffered. Therefore, dissimilar examples are of little practical use. Demanding them is just a way of bogging the discussion down.
 
The media gets things wrong.

Yes, they reported the collapse just BEFORE it collapsed. So they got it wrong or they were given the wrong information or got the timing just off. But one reported it was going to collapse and it did collapse a couple of minutes later, so they were not wrong and there was also a corroborating countdown that had nothing to do with the MSM reports. Making excuses has nothing to do with the fact that these media reports and eyewitness statements were deliberately never investigated by NIST, it's just typical apologist/defensive theory. When a crime such as 9/11 is committed, all foreknowledge accounts are critical to the investigation, there's no excuse for a failure to investigate.
 
So everything, but not for you of course. The reports that it had already come down or was about to come down came minutes before it actually came down. The timing couldn't be more obvious. Before 9/11, no other building had ever collapsed due to fire so there was no precedent to predict a collapse, much less a timed event. It even went to the level of a known documented countdown (outside the MSM reports) and there were other reports of foreknowledge hours before the building's collapse. All of it required investigation, which was NIST's domain and deliberate failure.

FIREFIGHTERS had "advanced knowledge" because THEY understand the dynamics of fire and steel structures and you don't.
 
Yes, they reported the collapse just BEFORE it collapsed. So they got it wrong or they were given the wrong information or got the timing just off. But one reported it was going to collapse and it did collapse a couple of minutes later, so they were not wrong and there was also a corroborating countdown that had nothing to do with the MSM reports. Making excuses has nothing to do with the fact that these media reports and eyewitness statements were deliberately never investigated by NIST, it's just typical apologist/defensive theory. When a crime such as 9/11 is committed, all foreknowledge accounts are critical to the investigation, there's no excuse for a failure to investigate.

FIREFIGHTERS gave them the information.

Why do you ignore the FBI's INVESTIGATION?

The FBI INVESTIGATED. Period.
 
You want the example to be the same as the wtc don't you?

Mike, you keep showing you have a serious reading comprehension problem. Try reading what I posted more than once so maybe you'll get it before you post silly questions. Here's what I posted again, with the key words emphasized:

any REAL WORLD EXAMPLE of any fire induced global collapse of any sizable building outside of 9/11
.

You have any examples of a CD of a high raise that was built the same as that was damaged by debris and burned for hours before the CD was done?

That's irrelevant to the above.
 
FIREFIGHTERS had "advanced knowledge" because THEY understand the dynamics of fire and steel structures and you don't.

Are you saying you think the firefighters could anticipate WTC 7 was going to collapse in a significant way based on observation?

By what measures could they possibly know that?
 
Are you saying you think the firefighters could anticipate WTC 7 was going to collapse in a significant way based on observation?

By what measures could they possibly know that?

By observations and measurements they took... Why do you think they evacuated and set up a collapse zone?

Deputy Chief Peter Hayden
Division 1 - 33 years

...also we were pretty sure that 7 World Trade Center would collapse. Early on, we saw a bulge in the southwest corner between floors 10 and 13, and we had put a transit on that and we were pretty sure she was going to collapse. You actually could see there was a visible bulge, it ran up about three floors. It came down about 5 o’clock in the afternoon, but by about 2 o’clock in the afternoon we realized this thing was going to collapse.

I am sure he is lying... Right? "In on it", right?
 
Mike, you keep showing you have a serious reading comprehension problem. Try reading what I posted more than once so maybe you'll get it before you post silly questions. Here's what I posted again, with the key words emphasized:

That's irrelevant to the above.

Bob, the FBI investigated.
 
By observations and measurements they took... Why do you think they evacuated and set up a collapse zone?

Deputy Chief Peter Hayden
Division 1 - 33 years

...also we were pretty sure that 7 World Trade Center would collapse. Early on, we saw a bulge in the southwest corner between floors 10 and 13, and we had put a transit on that and we were pretty sure she was going to collapse. You actually could see there was a visible bulge, it ran up about three floors. It came down about 5 o’clock in the afternoon, but by about 2 o’clock in the afternoon we realized this thing was going to collapse.

I am sure he is lying... Right? "In on it", right?

How did a bulge over three floors in the southwest corner, in a building with a plan as big as a football field, indicate a structural collapse of the entire building was imminent?
 
How did a bulge over three floors in the southwest corner, in a building with a plan as big as a football field, indicate a structural collapse of the entire building was imminent?


Call Deputy Chief Peter Hayden and ask him... I am sure he will fill you in far better than I can...

They knew A COLLAPSE was imminent. The extent of it was irrelevant. Why jeopardize MORE firefighters?
 
Yes, they reported the collapse just BEFORE it collapsed.

Who is "they" and exactly when did they report the collapse? Why is this significant?

Why can you never be specific when you have to come up with answers you can not simply copy and paste from someone else's web site?

So they got it wrong or they were given the wrong information or got the timing just off. But one reported it was going to collapse and it did collapse a couple of minutes later, so they were not wrong and there was also a corroborating countdown that had nothing to do with the MSM reports. Making excuses has nothing to do with the fact that these media reports and eyewitness statements were deliberately never investigated by NIST, it's just typical apologist/defensive theory. When a crime such as 9/11 is committed, all foreknowledge accounts are critical to the investigation, there's no excuse for a failure to investigate.

Of course there was foreknowledge. As I stated in my PREVIOUS TWO POSTS on this topic the FDNY had informed the media that 7 was unstable and in danger of collapse. That this information would then be reported as news is surprising to know one but you apparently.

How about we cut to the chase. Please explain to all of us why Dr. Evil felt it necessary to include the media on his plans to blow up an unknown and unimportant (and unoccupied) building hours in advance. Exactly how does this serve the plot?
 
Who is "they" and exactly when did they report the collapse? Why is this significant?

Why can you never be specific when you have to come up with answers you can not simply copy and paste from someone else's web site?

Of course there was foreknowledge. As I stated in my PREVIOUS TWO POSTS on this topic the FDNY had informed the media that 7 was unstable and in danger of collapse. That this information would then be reported as news is surprising to know one but you apparently.

How about we cut to the chase. Please explain to all of us why Dr. Evil felt it necessary to include the media on his plans to blow up an unknown and unimportant (and unoccupied) building hours in advance. Exactly how does this serve the plot?

They keep ignoring the fact the FDNY was aware of instability in WTC7.
 
They keep ignoring the fact the FDNY was aware of instability in WTC7.
True -- BUT -- More important IMNSHO they keep ignoring that the design of steel framed buildings is premised on vulnerability to fire - they are made fire resistant to allow occupant escape AND fire fighting efforts started within a time window - usually two hours (Someone will know the NYC code requirements).

WTC 7 went way outside those design parameters. It collapsed. Not guaranteed to be the consequence of unfought extensive fires - but not unexpected.
 
How did a bulge over three floors in the southwest corner, in a building with a plan as big as a football field, indicate a structural collapse of the entire building was imminent?

Do you regard such a phenomena as normal, even routine perhaps?
 
Who is "they" and exactly when did they report the collapse?

I posted 4 labeled links with a commentary as to who "they" are and you don't know who "they" are? Go back and read from the original post.

Why is this significant?

I already posted that too and said it's not significant for you. Actually nothing is if it doesn't fit the official narrative.

[non sequitur ignored]

Of course there was foreknowledge.

Agreed, when a crime is committed, there usually is foreknowledge, that's why it's pretty standard in any criminal investigation that all those with foreknowledge need to be investigated. NIST failed to do that and no other criminal investigative/enforcement agency investigated that either. At least there's no known record of it.

As I stated in my PREVIOUS TWO POSTS on this topic the FDNY had informed the media that 7 was unstable and in danger of collapse. That this information would then be reported as news is surprising to know one but you apparently.

It wasn't reported as news in the sense you claim. 3 were independent premature/false reports of the collapse of WTC7 minutes prior to the collapse and one was reported as an imminent collapse a couple of minutes prior to the collapse. The timings of all 4 of these news reports raise red flags in terms of foreknowledge (not for you though). Even if a collapse does take place and there is an opinion that a collapse may take place, there is no possible way to know the timing of such a collapse within minutes. There is also the corroborating countdown that you obviously haven't addressed. But you would do that if you believe it has no significance.

[another non sequitur ignored]
 
...it is so obvious...:roll:
 
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