Nikki Haley tells us how we won’t like what Finland says about their Health Care

Threegoofs · Mar 21, 2019

And Finns respond hilariously.

Nikki Haley on Twitter: "Health care costs are too high that is true but comparing us to Finland is ridiculous. Ask them how their health care is. You won’t like their answer."

The responses here are great... Finns just swarm all over telling her how great maternity care is and how much lower mortality is there.

This is like the GOP in a microcosm- completely oblivious to how wrong they are about health care, they forget that when they speak publicly, people outside their bubble can hear them.

It’s also made CNN- with official response from Finland.

Nikki Haley is criticized for her comment on health care in Finland - CNN

OlNate · Mar 21, 2019

Threegoofs said:
And Finns respond hilariously.

Nikki Haley on Twitter: "Health care costs are too high that is true but comparing us to Finland is ridiculous. Ask them how their health care is. You won’t like their answer."

The responses here are great... Finns just swarm all over telling her how great maternity care is and how much lower mortality is there.

This is like the GOP in a microcosm- completely oblivious to how wrong they are about health care, they forget that when they speak publicly, people outside their bubble can hear them.

It’s also made CNN- with official response from Finland.

Nikki Haley is criticized for her comment on health care in Finland - CNN

No, no, really...universal health care sucks. I hate spending nothing at the hospital. I feel ripped off.

Although, TBH, in Canada I think they pay for the entire health care system through what they charge for parking at hospitals...

Mycroft · Mar 21, 2019

Maybe the Finnish people don't know about this:

March 8, 2019 5:10 pm

The government of Finland collapsed Friday due to the rising cost of universal health care and the prime minister's failure to enact reforms to the system.

Prime Minister Juha Sipila and the rest of the cabinet resigned after the governing coalition failed to pass reforms in parliament to the country's regional government and health services, the Wall Street Journal reports. Finland faces an aging population, with around 26 percent of its citizens expected to be over 65 by the year 2030, an increase of 5 percent from today.

Finnish Government Collapses Due to Rising Cost of Universal Health Care

Mongidig · Mar 21, 2019

As long as your healthy and you don't mind waiting two years for a procedure it's the best. Well actually, it's mediocre at best. This is of course while it lasts.

My brother fell and hurt his wrist in Romania...The doctor wrapped it up and gave him some pain meds. He then went to London and was still feeling pain. The doctor said it was fine and the pain would go away. When he came back to the US, He was still feeling pain and went to his doctor to find out that he had a fracture.

I'm happy sticking with good doctors that know what they are doing. I also like having choices.

Threegoofs · Mar 21, 2019

Mycroft said:
Maybe the Finnish people don't know about this:

Yes, I’m sure the Finns don’t know as much about their country as you do .

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ttwtt78640 · Mar 21, 2019

OlNate said:
No, no, really...universal health care sucks. I hate spending nothing at the hospital. I feel ripped off.

Although, TBH, in Canada I think they pay for the entire health care system through what they charge for parking at hospitals...

No free rides to and from the hospital in Canada? That must be denying "access to" medical care for some.

Mongidig · Mar 21, 2019

Mycroft said:
Maybe the Finnish people don't know about this:

This is what I mean by "While it lasts"

Lets learn from history people!

Checkerboard Strangler · Mar 21, 2019

Mongidig said:
As long as your healthy and you don't mind waiting two years for a procedure it's the best. Well actually, it's mediocre at best. This is of course while it lasts.

My brother fell and hurt his wrist in Romania...The doctor wrapped it up and gave him some pain meds. He then went to London and was still feeling pain. The doctor said it was fine and the pain would go away. When he came back to the US, He was still feeling pain and went to his doctor to find out that he had a fracture.

I'm happy sticking with good doctors that know what they are doing. I also like having choices.

Your brother is a Romanian citizen?

Xelor · Mar 21, 2019

According to an OECD report published in 2013, the Finnish health system is chronically underfunded. The Nordic nation of five million people spent only 7% of GDP on its public health system in 2012, compared with 8% in the UK. In 2012, the report found, 80% of the Finnish population had to wait more than two weeks to see a GP. Finland’s high taxes go on education and daycare.

Well, of course, if the legislature underfunds the thing, people are not going to be thrilled with something.

Oh and btw, unless something's really not right, were I to call today for an appointment with my PCD, the earliest appointment I can get will be at least two weeks from now, maybe a month. It may not be that way "in the middle of nowhere," but in D.C. and for top doctors in large medical LLC practices, that's normal.

ralphcdp · Mar 21, 2019

Mongidig said:
Lets learn from history people!

If you are American, this is totally out of this world. Americans don't have a clue about their history.

Sampson Simpson · Mar 21, 2019

Threegoofs said:
And Finns respond hilariously.

Nikki Haley on Twitter: "Health care costs are too high that is true but comparing us to Finland is ridiculous. Ask them how their health care is. You won’t like their answer."

The responses here are great... Finns just swarm all over telling her how great maternity care is and how much lower mortality is there.

This is like the GOP in a microcosm- completely oblivious to how wrong they are about health care, they forget that when they speak publicly, people outside their bubble can hear them.

It’s also made CNN- with official response from Finland.

Nikki Haley is criticized for her comment on health care in Finland - CNN

they know they are wrong, they don't care. They work for the corporations. And their constituency doesn't care about actual facts.

OrphanSlug · Mar 21, 2019

All Nikki Haley is doing is drinking the kool-aid.

Checkerboard Strangler · Mar 21, 2019

Mycroft said:
Maybe the Finnish people don't know about this:

Collapse is a suspect term.
Unlike our system, governments "resign" or are voted "no confidence" all the time in European and Scandanavian countries, it's how their representative democracy works. What the Free Beacon is calling a "collapse" is actually the will of the people in action. A new government leadership will tackle the issues, including health care, in a manner that better reflects the will of the Finnish people.

It's amusing to watch right wing media attempt to make Finland look like it's on the verge of self-immolation over what is essentially a commonplace parliamentary move that happens with amazing regularity.

American lawmakers are, at least up till now, shielded from such parliamentary torches and pitchforks, which is a shame.

Sampson Simpson · Mar 21, 2019

Xelor said:
According to an OECD report published in 2013, the Finnish health system is chronically underfunded. The Nordic nation of five million people spent only 7% of GDP on its public health system in 2012, compared with 8% in the UK. In 2012, the report found, 80% of the Finnish population had to wait more than two weeks to see a GP. Finland’s high taxes go on education and daycare.

Well, of course, if the legislature underfunds the thing, people are not going to be thrilled with something.

Oh and btw, unless something's really not right, were I to call today for an appointment with my PCD, the earliest appointment I can get will be at least two weeks from now, maybe a month. It may not be that way "in the middle of nowhere," but in D.C. and for top doctors in large medical LLC practices, that's normal.

2 weeks? Is that supposed to be a bad thing? I have had times where I had to wait months to see a doctor.

Checkerboard Strangler · Mar 21, 2019

Mongidig said:
As long as your healthy and you don't mind waiting two years for a procedure it's the best. Well actually, it's mediocre at best. This is of course while it lasts.

My brother fell and hurt his wrist in Romania...The doctor wrapped it up and gave him some pain meds. He then went to London and was still feeling pain. The doctor said it was fine and the pain would go away. When he came back to the US, He was still feeling pain and went to his doctor to find out that he had a fracture.

I'm happy sticking with good doctors that know what they are doing. I also like having choices.

Unless your brother is a Romanian citizen, I suspect those WERE the "choices" available to him as a visitor.
Was he unable to use his American health insurance over in London and Romania?

Mycroft · Mar 21, 2019

Checkerboard Strangler said:
Collapse is a suspect term.
Unlike our system, governments "resign" or are voted "no confidence" all the time in European and Scandanavian countries, it's how their representative democracy works. What the Free Beacon is calling a "collapse" is actually the will of the people in action. A new government leadership will tackle the issues, including health care, in a manner that better reflects the will of the Finnish people.

It's amusing to watch right wing media attempt to make Finland look like it's on the verge of self-immolation over what is essentially a commonplace parliamentary move that happens with amazing regularity.

American lawmakers are, at least up till now, shielded from such parliamentary torches and pitchforks, which is a shame.

You can quibble about the use of the word "collapse", but that doesn't take away from the fact that the Finnish health care system has big problems. Big enough for their leaders to resign.

One can only hope the new leadership will be able to "tackle the issues"...or they may end up resigning, as well.

Threegoofs · Mar 21, 2019

Xelor said:
According to an OECD report published in 2013, the Finnish health system is chronically underfunded. The Nordic nation of five million people spent only 7% of GDP on its public health system in 2012, compared with 8% in the UK. In 2012, the report found, 80% of the Finnish population had to wait more than two weeks to see a GP. Finland’s high taxes go on education and daycare.

Well, of course, if the legislature underfunds the thing, people are not going to be thrilled with something.

Oh and btw, unless something's really not right, were I to call today for an appointment with my PCD, the earliest appointment I can get will be at least two weeks from now, maybe a month. It may not be that way "in the middle of nowhere," but in D.C. and for top doctors in large medical LLC practices, that's normal.

LOL.

The Finns responding to Haley sure do seem upset.

But I love how you think spending 7% on your healthcare system is somehow bad, when the US is in double digits with worse outcomes.

But I guess you can see your GP a little faster? Certainly with a few dead moms, amirite?

Checkerboard Strangler · Mar 21, 2019

Mongidig said:
As long as your healthy and you don't mind waiting two years for a procedure it's the best. Well actually, it's mediocre at best. This is of course while it lasts.

My brother fell and hurt his wrist in Romania...The doctor wrapped it up and gave him some pain meds. He then went to London and was still feeling pain. The doctor said it was fine and the pain would go away. When he came back to the US, He was still feeling pain and went to his doctor to find out that he had a fracture.

I'm happy sticking with good doctors that know what they are doing. I also like having choices.

Here's a little more on the Romanian situation with regards to your brother:

Every citizen of Romania is entitled to cost-free, unrestricted medical procedures, as established by a physician only if they present themselves with a health card as of 9th of September 2015, proving to have paid insurance. Citizens of the European Union, alongside with Romanian citizens without paid insurance have the right to free emergency medical assistance.

I don't know if your brother is a citizen of Romania OR a citizen of the EU, but if he returned to the US in a few weeks, sounds like the Romanians rendered basic emergency services to him to stabilize his fracture...until he COULD return to HIS country and use HIS heath care.
Why should Romania foot the bill for an alien, especially one who is just visiting?
Do WE offer free health care to visiting aliens over here? I suspect that we stabilize them in an ER and tell them to get it taken care of back home...just like Romania did with your brother.

Threegoofs · Mar 21, 2019

Sampson Simpson said:
they know they are wrong, they don't care. They work for the corporations. And their constituency doesn't care about actual facts.

Boy, isn’t that the truth.

Yet their followers don’t comprehend how wrong they are.

Thoreau72 · Mar 21, 2019

Nikki Haley is an idiot in the same class as Bolton.

<alt>doxygen · Mar 21, 2019

Mycroft said:
Maybe the Finnish people don't know about this:

Washington Free Beacon? You realize they are the people that originally hired Fusion GPS to do opo research on Trump, right???

Threegoofs · Mar 21, 2019

Mycroft said:
You can quibble about the use of the word "collapse", but that doesn't take away from the fact that the Finnish health care system has big problems. Big enough for their leaders to resign.

One can only hope the new leadership will be able to "tackle the issues"...or they may end up resigning, as well.

No... it doesn’t mean the healthcare system has ‘big problems’. It’s certainly doesn’t compare to the massive problems in the US system.

Rexedgar · Mar 21, 2019

Checkerboard Strangler said:
Unless your brother is a Romanian citizen, I suspect those WERE the "choices" available to him as a visitor.
Was he unable to use his American health insurance over in London and Romania?

How would this work?

Checkerboard Strangler · Mar 21, 2019

Mycroft said:
You can quibble about the use of the word "collapse", but that doesn't take away from the fact that the Finnish health care system has big problems. Big enough for their leaders to resign.

One can only hope the new leadership will be able to "tackle the issues"...or they may end up resigning, as well.

Uh ohhhh, what a shock, a health care system has problems.
To which I say "SO WHAT?" Time to work harder to FIX the problems, which is what leadership tries to do.
Why not just admit that you're a bit confused as to how parliamentary governments differ from our own?

Because you are.

ralphcdp · Mar 21, 2019

This would be the same Nikki Haley who helps the USA keep its terrorist program against Cuba. The US vicious terrorist program that the entire world has been telling the USA to stop for the last 27 years.

Why would anyone listen to acknowledged terrorists? This report is from Arkansas Online. It's nice to know that there are Americans with some semblance of morality.

UNITED NATIONS -- The U.N. General Assembly voted overwhelmingly Thursday to approve a resolution condemning the American economic embargo of Cuba after rejecting proposed U.S. amendments strongly criticizing the lack of human rights in the country.

Resolutions adopted by the 193-member world body are unenforceable, but they reflect world opinion and the vote has given Cuba an annual stage for the past 27 years to demonstrate the isolation of the United States on the embargo.

U.S.' Cuba embargo condemned

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