NFL: Is staying in the locker room during Anthem the Best solution

[Moderate Right]

Several teams did it today, most/all claiming it as a form of protest but at least they are doing it as a team and at least they stay off the TV when they do it.

I dont have a better idea of how they can get this off the table.

At least one team got booed for it.

What Say U?

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Note: I am waiting to vote because I dont have my mind totally sure that there is not a better way that is possible with as divided/weak as we are now.





tyvm

The best solution is for the NFL to stand up and be men and refuse to play anyone who does not stand. Pay these people millions for sitting on the sideline and then when their contracts expire they can file for unemployment.

 

[Hawkeye10]

The best solution is for the NFL to stand up and be men and refuse to play anyone who does not stand. Pay these people millions for sitting on the sideline and then when their contracts expire they can file for unemployment.

Well now that is an opinion!

No sitting on the fence for U!

 

[Lord of Planar]

What is more patriotic: Standing (or rather kneeling) for justice or being apathetic? I am not saying that baseball players are apathetic about the issue, but it could certainly be viewed that way.

I don't like what the players are doing, but in this case, the owners are who say what they can and cannot do.

Like I said in an earlier post. This is a grudge-match between billionaires.

 

[Fenton Lum]

Hell, run a jock strap up a pole and idolize that.

 

[slick]

"The NFL is disobeying its own rule book.

All players are required by NFL rules to honor their country before each and every game.

The rules are found on pages A62-63 of the NFL game operations manual:
"The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their
left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed
out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure
to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of
draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses."

"Pittsburgh Kneelers". Brilliant. Let them try to shake that off their back.'

 

[Lord of Planar]

"The NFL is disobeying its own rule book.

All players are required by NFL rules to honor their country before each and every game.

The rules are found on pages A62-63 of the NFL game operations manual:
"The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their
left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed
out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure
to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of
draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses."

"Pittsburgh Kneelers". Brilliant. Let them try to shake that off their back.

Interesting find.

I didn't realize it was an actual rule.

 

[Black Dog]

Interesting find.

I didn't realize it was an actual rule.

There is more to it than just being a rule.

It was instituted in 2009. The US government, Army and National Guard paid to have the teams come out for the national anthem for recruiting purposes. SO if you want politics out of football, tell Trump to stop paying them to come out, period.

 

[eohrnberger]

The best solution is to stop playing the anthem before all sporting events. It is not legally or otherwise required.

Sorry, but I disagree. While it isn't legally or otherwise required that doesn't mean that it isn't tradition and respect for both the flag, a symbol of the nation to unite around, as well as the national anthem, also a symbol of the nation to unite around.

With as divisive as the national politic has become by the puppet masters that seek to divide the electorate, haven't we had enough of that? Shouldn't we circle around that which should unite the electorate?

Those that wish to protest for social causes can, with certain exemptions of situation of which the few minutes for the singing of the national anthem is one. Their free speech rights are maintained. Better still, why can't the NFL millionaires put their money, and time and efforts, where it'll really count? Rather than making just an empty gesture?

 

[The Mark]

"The NFL is disobeying its own rule book.

All players are required by NFL rules to honor their country before each and every game.

The rules are found on pages A62-63 of the NFL game operations manual:
"The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their
left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed
out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure
to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of
draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses."

"Pittsburgh Kneelers". Brilliant. Let them try to shake that off their back.'

The key words in all that are "...may result in...".

Clearly, the NFL has decided, at least in part, that in this case, they will not punish these players.

 

[eohrnberger]

They should follow the traditions of the NFL and leave politics out of it.

Period!

Agreed. There are times and places for everything, and social protest at sports venues I just don't think is one of them.

 

[eohrnberger]

I don't give a rip.

Politics do not belong in sports or other types on entertainment.

Again, agreed.

 

[eohrnberger]

The irony here is Kaepernick took a knee at a game and was let go. He still does not have a job. So that should have been the end. But Trump went to Alabama to support Strange and called NFL players sons of bitches and condemned them. Why? I have to think he is a loose cannon who cannot control himself and wants every thought that goes through his head to be to entertain his base. Is this a good thing for the entire country which is who he represents?

Umm, Kaepernick appears to have been let go because he wasn't a good quarterback. It doesn't appear because of him taking a knee.

 

[The Mark]

Umm, Kaepernick appears to have been let go because he wasn't a good quarterback. It doesn't appear because of him taking a knee.

What evidence exists that he isn't even qualified to be a 3rd-string quarterback or something?

I mean, there are about 96 quarterbacks employed, if you count 1st, 2nd, and 3rd string. If he's that bad at quarterbacking, there has to be evidence of it somewhere.

 

[reinoe]

What evidence exists that he isn't even qualified to be a 3rd-string quarterback or something?

I mean, there are about 96 quarterbacks employed, if you count 1st, 2nd, and 3rd string. If he's that bad at quarterbacking, there has to be evidence of it somewhere.

His presence is disruptive. It sucks that he's being blacklisted: especially since lot's of other people are taking up the mantle and doing what he did now. He could be a starter on a bad team, especially if you look at his stats for last year.

 

[eohrnberger]

What evidence exists that he isn't even qualified to be a 3rd-string quarterback or something?

I mean, there are about 96 quarterbacks employed, if you count 1st, 2nd, and 3rd string. If he's that bad at quarterbacking, there has to be evidence of it somewhere.

Last season, Kaepernick had a defense-adjusted yards above replacement — Football Outsiders’ ultimate value quotient — of minus-182, 35th in the NFL. By all metrics, he was one of the worst quarterbacks in the league.

These numbers look even worse when you consider that the 49ers went to a single-read offense for Kaepernick after his terrible four-interception performance against the Arizona Cardinals in Week 3.

Each progressive interception in that game was worse — it was a total unraveling.

It only devolved further from there.

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/...uffalo-stats-career-highlights-fantasy-101116

Stats references:
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb2015
http://www.nfl.com/player/colinkaepernick/2495186/careerstats
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/K/KaepCo00.htm

No, I think it safe to say that Kaepernick had some really lousy performances, possibly related to the move to the single-read offense, a high salary, and that these things sunk him with the 49'ers.

 

[The Mark]

Stats references:
FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | QUARTERBACKS 2015
Colin Kaepernick: Career Stats at NFL.com
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/K/KaepCo00.htm

No, I think it safe to say that Kaepernick had some really lousy performances, possibly related to the move to the single-read offense, a high salary, and that these things sunk him with the 49'ers.

If he's ranked 35th for quarterbacks in the NFL, that would mean he'd be 2nd string, since the first 32 arguably would be first string.

 

[Lord of Planar]

If he's ranked 35th for quarterbacks in the NFL, that would mean he'd be 2nd string, since the first 32 arguably would be first string.

Send him back to college...

 

[The Mark]

Send him back to college...

That doesn't make any sense at all.

 

[Bodi]

What evidence exists that he isn't even qualified to be a 3rd-string quarterback or something?

I mean, there are about 96 quarterbacks employed, if you count 1st, 2nd, and 3rd string. If he's that bad at quarterbacking, there has to be evidence of it somewhere.

QB Ratings have dropped from a mediocre 74.4 to to a horrible 43.9 in 6 years...

Colin Kaepernick Stats - ESPN

 

[The Mark]

QB Ratings have dropped from a mediocre 74.4 to to a horrible 43.9 in 6 years...

Colin Kaepernick Stats - ESPN

So he was mediocre and got worse, by those stats.
But if this is any indication, that 43.9 would place him 24th or 25th on this season's quarterback ratings: NFL Total Quarterback Rating - National Football League - ESPN

But 2017 just started, so I looked at 2016: NFL Total Quarterback Rating - National Football League - ESPN
And he still would be in the top 30 (albeit at about 27th).

This would appear to reinforce my contention that he's still among the top 96 quarterbacks in the world, at least by QBR.

 

[Bodi]

So he was mediocre and got worse, by those stats.
But if this is any indication, that 43.9 would place him 24th or 25th on this season's quarterback ratings: NFL Total Quarterback Rating - National Football League - ESPN

But 2017 just started, so I looked at 2016: NFL Total Quarterback Rating - National Football League - ESPN
And he still would be in the top 30 (albeit at about 27th).

This would appear to reinforce my contention that he's still among the top 96 quarterbacks in the world, at least by QBR.

He probably is but rating alone is not a reason to be on a team. Players get cut for domestic violence or drug usage... things that the team feels adversely affect their team and potential success. He is not that good... there are better QB's and new QB's that teams want to give a shot.

 

[Crovax]

So he was mediocre and got worse, by those stats.
But if this is any indication, that 43.9 would place him 24th or 25th on this season's quarterback ratings: NFL Total Quarterback Rating - National Football League - ESPN

But 2017 just started, so I looked at 2016: NFL Total Quarterback Rating - National Football League - ESPN
And he still would be in the top 30 (albeit at about 27th).

This would appear to reinforce my contention that he's still among the top 96 quarterbacks in the world, at least by QBR.

Except you are missing a key factor beyond the top 20 QBs or so factors other than skill take prominence

 

[The Mark]

He probably is but rating alone is not a reason to be on a team. Players get cut for domestic violence or drug usage... things that the team feels adversely affect their team and potential success. He is not that good... there are better QB's and new QB's that teams want to give a shot.

Fair enough.

Hard to quantify those factors, I suppose.

 

[jdog21]

Except you are missing a key factor beyond the top 20 QBs or so factors other than skill take prominence

Your missing factor here is what those top QBs make annually in their contracts. And is he willing to get paid to be in the qb 25-35 range?

 

[eohrnberger]

If he's ranked 35th for quarterbacks in the NFL, that would mean he'd be 2nd string, since the first 32 arguably would be first string.

Meh. It's not what you think it's (or you are) worth, it's what someone else is willing to pay for it.

At $12M / year, seems he's like within the top 1/3.

Given the 49'ers management decision, I guess they didn't think they were getting their dollar's worth in performance. Seemingly so for all the other teams as well, somehow.

It's the 49'ers management's team, their dime, so they get to make their decisions.