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[seymourflops]

Anyone that avoids Covid tests is a damn idiot. There is absolutely no possible negatives to a person for taking the test.

Perhaps you’ve missed the ridicule and scorn that the left lays on people with whom they disagree when they test positive.

 

[Luckyone]

Perhaps you’ve missed the ridicule and scorn that the left lays on people with whom they disagree when they test positive.

Scorn is something that is 100% normal between the parties. People by nature have difficulty agreeing to disagree. Then again, some things are more important than others, such as human life. When anyone puts my life in danger because of their beliefs, especially when there are solutions available that prevent that danger from being present, they should be scorned.

 

[Ethel2]

Pretty sure this isn't the case. Will have to clarify, but I think she said something about their primary sending out a letter. (When I'm stunned, I don't hear very well, evidently.) But my sister's GP, who is hooked up to a ventilator now, may be. She's told me (very small town) that she's heard that he was unvaccinated, but I'm holding onto my disbelief until she hears confirmation. How could a physician not be vaccinated?!

Nota, there are incompetent quacks in all professions. Some doctors are just eccentric; others are plain dangerous. I remember working with one attending pediatrician when I was in training who forbid the residents to order any tylenol (or anything else to bring down the fever) for his hospitalized patients. While there is some logic to it his patients were surely more uncomfortable than those who were treated. There are, as you know, several prominent doctors visible to the public who are antivaxxers, for example, Dr Joseph Mercola. I know of no doctors out here who didn't jump at the chance to protect themselves with one of the vaccines.

 

[seymourflops]

Perhaps you’ve missed the ridicule and scorn that the left lays on people with whom they disagree when they test positive.

Scorn is something that is 100% normal between the parties. People by nature have difficulty agreeing to disagree. Then again, some things are more important than others, such as human life. When anyone puts my life in danger because of their beliefs, especially when there are solutions available that prevent that danger from being present, they should be scorned.

You completely miss the point.

My comment about the ridicule and scorn was in response to your claim of absolutely no possible negatives by getting tested for COVID.

Ridicule and scorn are negative however normal they may be. Plus the requirement to notify ones employer with all the negatives from that.

 

[Ethel2]

You completely miss the point.

My comment about the ridicule and scorn was in response to your claim of absolutely no possible negatives by getting tested for COVID.

Ridicule and scorn are negative however normal they may be. Plus the requirement to notify ones employer with all the negatives from that.

Do you enjoy paying for auto insurance? Or taxes? I don’t. I also don’t enjoy wearing masks or getting vaccinated. But they are the fastest path out of the pandemic.
Sometimes you have to bite the bullet and delay your gratification until AFTER you have done the unpleasant work required.

 

[seymourflops]

Do you enjoy paying for auto insurance? Or taxes? I don’t. I also don’t enjoy wearing masks or getting vaccinated. But they are the fastest path out of the pandemic.
Sometimes you have to bite the bullet and delay your gratification until AFTER you have done the unpleasant work required.

Again missing the point. I have to wonder now whether it's deliberate or if posters on here are really this dense.

I'm already vaccinated and I mask up when working or playing poker or other venues when appropriate. I've said that several times, so no need to convince me to be vaccinated and to mask up.

In fact I plan to get another vaccine, the Pfizer or the Moderna, and then the Novavaxx when it is finally approved. So, I'll be twice, then thrice, as virtuous as you.

 

[Ethel2]

Again missing the point. I have to wonder now whether it's deliberate or if posters on here are really this dense.

I'm already vaccinated and I mask up when working or playing poker or other venues when appropriate. I've said that several times, so no need to convince me to be vaccinated and to mask up.

In fact I plan to get another vaccine, the Pfizer or the Moderna, and then the Novavaxx when it is finally approved. So, I'll be twice, then thrice, as virtuous as you.

No, YOU missed the point. My post wasn’t specifically referring to YOU. You already said you are vaccinated.
I was referring to all the other people who won’t do the right things.
But you are right about some posters here being incredibly dense.

 

[seymourflops]

No, YOU missed the point. My post wasn’t specifically referring to YOU. You already said you are vaccinated.
I was referring to all the other people who won’t do the right things.
But you are right about some posters here being incredibly dense.

Your post said "you" three times after quoting my post.

I was supposed to gather from that that you weren't talking to me?

Anyway, this time next week I'll be double vaccinated. I'm trying to decide how to label those who only have one vaccine. I'm torn between "the single-vaxxers" and "univaxxer."

Which should I go with?

 

[Ethel2]

Your post said "you" three times after quoting my post.

I was supposed to gather from that that you weren't talking to me?

Maybe because you already told me at least three times that you are vaccinated. I even wrote that you did the right thing.
So when I write that sometimes you have to bite the bullet it’s for the “you’s” out there who won’t do the right thing.

 

[Luckyone]

You completely miss the point.

My comment about the ridicule and scorn was in response to your claim of absolutely no possible negatives by getting tested for COVID.

Ridicule and scorn are negative however normal they may be. Plus the requirement to notify ones employer with all the negatives from that.

WHAT???

There are absolutely no possible negatives to getting tested for Covid! If that is what you are saying I am scorning you for, it is earned, I assure you.

 

[seymourflops]

WHAT???

There are absolutely no possible negatives to getting tested for Covid! If that is what you are saying I am scorning you for, it is earned, I assure you.

You must not have a job if you believe that. If you sit home playing GTA all day anyway, sure testing positive won't change anything for you.

 

[Luckyone]

You must not have a job if you believe that. If you sit home playing GTA all day anyway, sure testing positive won't change anything for you.

testing positive is different than "just testing". There are no reasons to not get tested. If you get tested and are positive, then the problem is different as your life is at risk and so are the lives of others.

 

[seymourflops]

testing positive is different than "just testing". There are no reasons to not get tested. If you get tested and are positive, then the problem is different as your life is at risk and so are the lives of others.

If you are tested, you risk a positive result, which will have consequences even if it's a false positive.

 

[Ethel2]

If you are tested, you risk a positive result, which will have consequences even if it's a false positive.

You’re right
It’s much better to NOT know if you are positive and putting the lives of others at risk. If you have close contact or if you have symptoms you (you=the unvaccinated in the case of close contact because vaccinated people may not need to get tested-not sure about the CDC recommendations), YOU must get tested to protect others.
You said some people here post as if they are dense….hmmm…

 

[MAGAnificent]

Miners union president: 'Coal's not back. Nobody saved the coal industry.'

The president of United Mine Workers of America said Wednesday that the coal industry is not "back," despite President Donald Trump's claims.

edition.cnn.com

From the horse's mouth, not Trump's cynical, vote-grabbing lies. Ignore the truth by all means.

You are overly obsessed with both coal and Trump and for nothing. And again, you so broaden the term "lie" that it loses all meaning. It's like if Trump were to pick one sports team over another and predict the score and he was off a few point or his pick lost, you would be calling him a liar. Nobody is claiming that Trump rescued the coal industry or had the power to .He did not attempt to destroy it as his opposition did over alleged environmental issues. Obviously coal fired power plants are on their way out, however the coal industry is not dead. The energy independence the US reached before "Depends" diaper Joe took office were in large part due to coal shale and fracking.

 

[seymourflops]

You’re right
It’s much better to NOT know if you are positive and putting the lives of others at risk.

Never said that.

You claimed that

There are absolutely no possible negatives to getting tested for Covid!

That Statement is false.

 

[Ethel2]

Never said that.

You claimed that


That Statement is false.

That’s how you look at it.
Isn’t it a positive, not that someone tests positive, but that they were fulfilling their social responsibility and finding it out to protect others?

 

[seymourflops]

That’s how you look at it.
Isn’t it a positive, not that someone tests positive, but that they were fulfilling their social responsibility and finding it out to protect others?

Even if it's a false positive?

 

[lurchadams]

I have to agree with you in principle. That said, the demonization and downright tyrannical treatment of people who - for whatever reason(s), valid or not, reasonable for not - have chosen not to get vaccinated has to stop. Not everyone has "the guts" to stand up to such bullying in every circumstance.

The OP does make a valid point that such bullying is not helping, but further polarizing people from making different choices.

<shaking my head> if nothing's going to change their idiotic minds we might as well experience some catharsis by trashing the ignorant assholes.

 

[Ethel2]

Even if it's a false positive?

How would you know?
I think most people who test positive ARE positive, especially with the PCR test. Those people don’t get retested.
This is from MedRx, a medical publication I read. The false positive rate is very low:

“Using current data providing by the Public Health England (PHE) as of the most recent complete data, a false positive rate of 1.16% (95% CI 1.09 - 1.23%) was found for the PHE PCR test for the period 1 January through 29 March 2021.”

 

[seymourflops]

How would you know?
I think most people who test positive ARE positive, especially with the PCR test. Those people don’t get retested.
This is from MedRx, a medical publication I read. The false positive rate is very low:

“Using current data providing by the Public Health England (PHE) as of the most recent complete data, a false positive rate of 1.16% (95% CI 1.09 - 1.23%) was found for the PHE PCR test for the period 1 January through 29 March 2021.”

You would not know, that's the point.

So, if you were among those unlucky one in a hundred who tests positive, you experience all the negatives of a real positive test, plus whatever is causing the symptoms that led you to take the test will go untreated.

 

[seymourflops]

<shaking my head> if nothing's going to change their idiotic minds we might as well experience some catharsis by trashing the ignorant assholes.

I give that a thumbs up for honesty!

I wish more bullies would just admit they enjoy bullying people.

 

[Luckyone]

Never said that.

You claimed that

That Statement is false.

You keep saying that but I have yet to see you list any of the negatives.

I did a search on Google and other than there are differences about one testing method to the other and positives and negatives to each testing, I could not find one single article that says there are any negatives to actually getting a test. So you need to back up your statement with facts (not just words like - "that statement is false").

It is so funny that these debates with people like you never prove the point that you/they are trying to make. You say things with such confidence but never can back up those words with anything tangible.

To me, it smells like pure biased uninformed BS.

 

[seymourflops]

You keep saying that but I have yet to see you list any of the negatives.

Thank you, I was waiting for you to admit that you don't know the negatives.

I take it you have no job? Or maybe you have a job that you hate and would be glad for a ten-day free vacation?

Most Americans take an interest in their jobs and don't want to miss work. They don't want the stigma of people like you shaming them for being COVID positive or laughing at their illness.

The negative is the feeling of letting down your employer and co-workers who will have to take up your slack. See my thread here:

Hypothetical Question - Seeking Opinions, not Debate

This is based on a real situation with some details changed to fictionalize it. But the key parts are real. A State (it's Texas) has an executive order forbidding schools districts to mandate mask wear. Several districts have mandated mask wear anyway. In one district, the school board and...

debatepolitics.com

I did a search on Google and other than there are differences about one testing method to the other and positives and negatives to each testing, I could not find one single article that says there are any negatives to actually getting a test. So you need to back up your statement with facts (not just words like - "that statement is false").

It is so funny that these debates with people like you never prove the point that you/they are trying to make. You say things with such confidence but never can back up those words with anything tangible.

To me, it smells like pure biased uninformed BS.

You couldn't find an article about the negatives? How about living a real life to know the answer?

BTW, I found an article about one negative to testing positive for COVID. Took me less than ten seconds. Maybe you didn't know what to look for?

Can you be fired for testing positive for COVID-19?

Ivonne Villarreal says she furious that her 69-year-old father was fired and cut off from his health insurance on the same day he told his employer he tested positive for COVID-19.

www.fox26houston.com

So, can someone be fired for testing positive for COVID-19 in Texas?

"Unfortunately, in general, yes. There are exceptions to the rule and it's going to be dependent upon on each indvidual's circumstances," said Clayton Craighead, an employment lawyer in Houston.

He explains in rare cases, employees can be protected under the Family and Medical Leave Act or American with Disabilities Act.

Last year, Congress also passed the Families First Coronavirus Response Act.

"That particular statute gave employees emergency leave for certain period if they are diagnosed with COVID or if they are caring for their children who might be engaging in remote learning, things of that nature, due to school closures," Craighead added.

However, the protections applied to smaller businesses and expired on December 31. Craighead believes Congress will pass a similar protection under the new Biden administration.

He also adds Texas is a right to work state.

"An employer can terminate an employee for any reason or no reason whatsoever provided that, if they have a reason, it's not an unlawful reason," Craighead explained.

 

[lurchadams]

I give that a thumbs up for honesty!

I wish more bullies would just admit they enjoy bullying people.

The bullying is being done by the anti-vaxxers who refuse to pull their heads out of their asses. You like to promote negligence - not very responsible or patriotic.