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New Zealand woman and six-year-old son detained for three weeks by Ice in US enduring ‘terrifying’ ordeal

For some people cruelty is the point. It's so obvious to see by their rebuttals they think they are fooling the rest of us by claiming it's really about "THE LAW."
No one is fooled by that lot. BUT..............you can bet your bippy, upon reading my comment...........they will now resort to their next tactic - lashing out.
Most of these people who are "But the LAW!" also openly voted for a felon, and excuse all the pardons for violent seditionists. The whole "the law" mantra is just a propaganda piece for them, they don't actually give a single **** about the law.
 
Woman with partial visa approval and a son who is a legal resident sent from Washington State to Texas and detained for 3 weeks by ICE.


Ice confiscated Shaw’s phone and transported the mother and son to the Dilley immigration processing center in south Texas, many states away from her home, Besancon said. Foreign nationals caught up in the Trump administration’s immigration crackdown have similarly been transported to centres far from their homes, support networks and legal representation.

“It has been absolutely horrible,” Besancon said, adding that aside from the staff, Shaw and her son are the only English speakers, are locked in their shared bedroom from 8pm to 8am and are not allowed to wear their own clothes.

“It really is kind of like being in jail ... it has been absolutely devastating and it’s kind of barbaric.”

Shaw is on what is known as a “combo card” visa – an employment visa, which she obtained through her employment at a maximum security juvenile facility, and an I-360 visa, which can grant immigration status to domestic violence survivors.

Shaw had recently received a letter confirming her visa renewal, not realising that the I-360 element of her visa was still pending approval.

“It wasn’t until she tried to come back across the border that she realised only half of the combination card – because it’s only one physical card – had been fully approved,” said Besancon.

Border officials did not need to detain Shaw and could have filed for humanitarian parole, Besancon said. Meanwhile, all three of Shaw’s children have had their I-360 visas approved, and Besancon alleged her youngest son was therefore being detained “illegally”.



Shaw’s case is the latest in a growing list of foreigners facing interrogation, detainment and deportations at the US border, including a British tourist, three Germans Lucas Sielaff, Fabian Schmidt and Jessica Brösche, and a Canadian and an Australian who were each held and then deported, despite having valid work visas.
Is ICE the Gestapo or the Brown Shirts? Either way, this is not America.
 
Yup, as the article stated, she didn't need to have been arrested and jailed. She should have done due diligence in ensuring that both portions of her combo card were renewed properly, but it does also seem like there can be confusion as it's contained all on one physical card and her processing was pending.

I think there's a lot that could have been done in order to have avoided throwing her in prison for 3 weeks. But that takes a degree of reason and intelligence MAGA doesn't possess.

They've re-engineered the immigration and border control system's default state such that it automatically assumes someone's out of status and must be summarily detained, processed, and deported.
 
It’s hardly “cruel” for someone to face the music for violating the terms of their visa. As for the six-year old, the only other option is to separate him from his mother and place him in foster care.
It is in fact both cruel and harsh to jail a mother and her six year old child, when there was a completely legal and readily available process to avoid doing just that.
 
The government is no longer tolerating violation of visa terms with impunity. That is no secret and her detention is entirely her fault.

It’s her fault for trying to enter without full visa approval, but how our government treats people in her position is entirely up to us. She could have been allowed to enter freely under the humanitarian parole option. She could have simply been refused entry. But the government chose to do this despite having the discretion to pursue less severe options.
 
It is in fact both cruel and harsh to jail a mother and her six year old child, when there was a completely legal and readily available process to avoid doing just that.
Ignoring the law isn’t an option. She violated the terms of her visa and her duty to her child as the custodial parent.
 
Is ICE the Gestapo or the Brown Shirts? Either way, this is not America.

Yes, and Trump supporters would have voted for Hitler.

Trump supporters are fascists who hate America.

Trump supporters hate American values.
 
It’s her fault for trying to enter without full visa approval, but how our government treats people in her position is entirely up to us. She could have been allowed to enter freely under the humanitarian parole option. She could have simply been refused entry. But the government chose to do this despite having the discretion to pursue less severe options.
It would make a mockery of humanitarian parole to apply it to a woman who had no business violating the terms of her visa but did it anyway. It would be one thing if she had to travel for some emergency. Dumping two of your kids at an airport in Vancouver (instead of any airport anywhere in the U.S.?) so they can vacation in New Zealand is not an emergency.
 
For some people cruelty is the point. It's so obvious to see by their rebuttals they think they are fooling the rest of us by claiming it's really about "THE LAW."
No one is fooled by that lot. BUT..............you can bet your bippy, upon reading my comment...........they will now resort to their next tactic - lashing out.

100%
 
Wtf?

We knew it was only a matter of time before a net cast this wide and careless would snag legal American citizens.

This is definitely not the first instance.
 
Visas are a privilege and she violated the terms. The consequences for that under the law are dentition, revocation, and deportation. There’s no legitimate reason she should receive special treatment.

There is a very legitimate reason that she did not need to be detained and treated in this manner. Had she not received a letter stating her visa was renewed and it was obvious she was ignoring rules that would be a different case.

To support cruel treatment towards those that believe they are following rules, but getting caught on a not obvious technical error, that will only encourage less people to even attempt to follow the rules.
 
There is a very legitimate reason that she did not need to be detained and treated in this manner. Had she not received a letter stating her visa was renewed and it was obvious she was ignoring rules that would be a different case.
That is not a legitimate reason. She did not receive a letter that she had permission to travel. Knowing the terms of her visa is her responsibility. Ignorance is never a defense in any U.S. court.
 
Ignoring the law isn’t an option. She violated the terms of her visa and her duty to her child as the custodial parent.
As I've consistently pointed out, there was a completely legal, authorized option to avoid detaining both the woman and her child. I believe that people should not be treated harshly, if there is another way. If you support harsh treatment for its own sake, you can just say that and we can be done.
 
As I've consistently pointed out, there was a completely legal, authorized option to avoid detaining both the woman and her child. I believe that people should not be treated harshly, if there is another way. If you support harsh treatment for its own sake, you can just say that and we can be done.
As I’ve already pointed out, she doesn’t deserve it. Her violation was not for any compelling reason. She’s being treated like everyone else who violates the terms of the visa and has no good reason for it.
 
As I’ve already pointed out, she doesn’t deserve it. Her violation was not for any compelling reason. She’s being treated like everyone else who violates the terms of the visa and has no good reason for it.

No, she’s not, not compared to how we treated everyone in the past. We’ve traditionally just allowed people in her position into the country on the humanitarian parole option. She had no criminal record, she was a long-term U.S. resident, she had pending legal status (likely to be approved), and she was traveling with a dependent child.

There was not a good reason for it. And the cruelty that is happening now is a radical departure from how we’ve treated foreigners in the past. What’s happening now is wrong. The government should not be doing this.
 
No, she’s not, not compared to how we treated everyone in the past. We’ve traditionally just allowed people into the country on the humanitarian parole option. She had no criminal record, she was a long-term U.S. resident, she had pending legal status (likely to be approved), and she was traveling with a dependent child.

There was not a good reason for it.
No, the bottom line is that she violated the terms of her visa for no good reason and having a child doesn’t place her above the law. She should have thought about her duty as the custodial parent not to put her child in this position.
 
The government is no longer tolerating violation of visa terms with impunity. That is no secret and her detention is entirely her fault.
No it's not. It's entirely the fault of the US federal government.
 
As I’ve already pointed out, she doesn’t deserve it. Her violation was not for any compelling reason. She’s being treated like everyone else who violates the terms of the visa and has no good reason for it.
To me, that just signifies a lack of compassion on your part, which is antithetical to my own worldview. If I made a mistake like that, I would want to be treated with kindness and forgiveness, and so that is how I choose to treat others.
 
To me, that just signifies a lack of compassion on your part, which is antithetical to my own worldview. If I made a mistake like that, I would want to be treated with kindness and forgiveness, and so that is how I choose to treat others.
Compassion is not a substitute for justice and what about this situation is deserving of compassion?
 
There is a very legitimate reason that she did not need to be detained and treated in this manner. Had she not received a letter stating her visa was renewed and it was obvious she was ignoring rules that would be a different case.

To support cruel treatment towards those that believe they are following rules, but getting caught on a not obvious technical error, that will only encourage less people to even attempt to follow the rules.
It will also discourage tourism to the US.

I've lived in and been to China many times for work and also Cuba routinely on vacations. I've traveled to Burma and Laos.

The one country I'd now be nervous about traveling to would be the US.
 
Explain how the U.S. Federal government made her travel to Vancouver in violation of the terms of her visa.
Explain how travelling to Vancouver violated the terms of her visa.
Did you read, and understand, the report in the OP?
 
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