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[MamboDervish]

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I said..................in the sense that it changes the message.

Which it certainly may, and no doubt has in many instances.

 

[LittleNipper]

John 14​

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Young's Literal Translation John 14​

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1 `Let not your heart be troubled, believe in God, also in me believe;​

2 in the house of MY FATHER are many mansions; and if not, I would have told you; I go on to prepare a place for you;
3 and if I go on and prepare for you a place, again do I come, and will receive you unto myself, that where I am ye also may be;
4 and whither I go away ye have known, and the way ye have known.'
5 Thomas saith to him, `SIR we have not known whither thou goest away, and how are we able to know the way?'
6 Jesus saith to him, `I AM the way, and the truth, and the life, no one doth come unto the FATHER, if not through ME;
7 if ye had known me, my Father also ye would have known, and from this time ye have known HIM, and have seen HIM.'
8 Philip saith to HIM, `SIR, shew to us the FATHER and it is enough for us;'
9 JESUS saith to him, `So long time AM I with you, and thou hast not known ME, Philip? he who hath seen ME hath seen the FATHER; and how dost thou say, Shew to us the Father?
10 Believest thou not that I [AM] in the FATHER, and the FATHER is in ME? the sayings that I speak to you, from MYSELF I speak not, and the FATHER who is abiding in ME, HIMSELF doth the works;
11 believe ME, that I [AM] in the FATHER, and the FATHER in ME; and if not, because of the works themselves, believe ME.
12 `Verily, verily, I say to you, he who is believing in me, the works that I do -- that one also shall do, and greater than these he shall do, because I go on to MY FATHER;
13 and whatever ye may ask in MY NAME, I will do, that the FATHER may be glorified in the SON;
14 if ye ask anything in MY NAME I will do.
15 `If ye love ME, MY commands keep,
16 and I will ask the FATHER, and ANOTHER COMFORTER HE will give to you, that HE may remain with you -- to the age;
17 the SPIRIT of truth, whom the world is not able to receive, because it doth not behold HIM, nor know HIM, and ye know HIM, because HE doth remain with you, and shall be in you.
18 `I will not leave you bereaved, I come unto you;
19 yet a little, and the world doth no more behold ME, and ye behold ME, because I live, and ye shall live;
20 in that day ye shall know that I in MY FATHER, and ye in ME, and I in you;
21 he who is having MY commands, and is keeping them, that one it is who is loving ME, and he who is loving ME shall be loved by MY FATHER, and I will love him, and will manifest MYSELF to him.'
22 Judas (not the Iscariot) saith to HIM, , `Sir, what hath come to pass, that to us thou are about to manifest THYSELF, and not to the world?'
23 JESUS answered and said to him, `If any one may love ME, MY WORD he will keep, and MY FATHER will love him, and unto him WE will come, and abode with him WE will make;
24 he who is not loving ME, MY words doth not keep; and the word that ye hear is not MINE, but the FATHER's who sent ME.
25 `These things I have spoken to you, remaining with you,
26 and the COMFORTER the HOLY SPIRIT, whom the FATHER will send in MY NAME, HE will teach you all things, and remind you of all things that I said to you.
27 `Peace I leave to you; my peace I give to you, not according as the world doth give do I give to you; let not your heart be troubled, nor let it be afraid;
28 ye heard that I said to you -- I go away, and I come unto you; if ye did love ME, ye would have rejoiced that I said -- I go on to the FATHER because MY FATHER is greater than I.
29 `And now I have said to you before it come to pass, that when it may come to pass, ye may believe;
30 I will no more talk much with you, for the ruler of this world (Satan) doth come, and in ME he hath nothing;
31 but that the world may know that I love the FATHER, and according as the FATHER gave ME command so I do; arise, we may go hence.

 

[Daisy]

John 14​

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Young's Literal Translation John 14​

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1 `Let not your heart be troubled, believe in God, also in me believe;​

2 in the house of MY FATHER are many mansions; and if not, I would have told you; I go on to prepare a place for you;
3 and if I go on and prepare for you a place, again do I come, and will receive you unto myself, that where I am ye also may be;
4 and whither I go away ye have known, and the way ye have known.'
5 Thomas saith to him, `SIR we have not known whither thou goest away, and how are we able to know the way?'
6 Jesus saith to him, `I AM the way, and the truth, and the life, no one doth come unto the FATHER, if not through ME;
7 if ye had known me, my Father also ye would have known, and from this time ye have known HIM, and have seen HIM.'
8 Philip saith to HIM, `SIR, shew to us the FATHER and it is enough for us;'
9 JESUS saith to him, `So long time AM I with you, and thou hast not known ME, Philip? he who hath seen ME hath seen the FATHER; and how dost thou say, Shew to us the Father?
10 Believest thou not that I [AM] in the FATHER, and the FATHER is in ME? the sayings that I speak to you, from MYSELF I speak not, and the FATHER who is abiding in ME, HIMSELF doth the works;
11 believe ME, that I [AM] in the FATHER, and the FATHER in ME; and if not, because of the works themselves, believe ME.
12 `Verily, verily, I say to you, he who is believing in me, the works that I do -- that one also shall do, and greater than these he shall do, because I go on to MY FATHER;
13 and whatever ye may ask in MY NAME, I will do, that the FATHER may be glorified in the SON;
14 if ye ask anything in MY NAME I will do.
15 `If ye love ME, MY commands keep,
16 and I will ask the FATHER, and ANOTHER COMFORTER HE will give to you, that HE may remain with you -- to the age;
17 the SPIRIT of truth, whom the world is not able to receive, because it doth not behold HIM, nor know HIM, and ye know HIM, because HE doth remain with you, and shall be in you.
18 `I will not leave you bereaved, I come unto you;
19 yet a little, and the world doth no more behold ME, and ye behold ME, because I live, and ye shall live;
20 in that day ye shall know that I in MY FATHER, and ye in ME, and I in you;
21 he who is having MY commands, and is keeping them, that one it is who is loving ME, and he who is loving ME shall be loved by MY FATHER, and I will love him, and will manifest MYSELF to him.'
22 Judas (not the Iscariot) saith to HIM, , `Sir, what hath come to pass, that to us thou are about to manifest THYSELF, and not to the world?'
23 JESUS answered and said to him, `If any one may love ME, MY WORD he will keep, and MY FATHER will love him, and unto him WE will come, and abode with him WE will make;
24 he who is not loving ME, MY words doth not keep; and the word that ye hear is not MINE, but the FATHER's who sent ME.
25 `These things I have spoken to you, remaining with you,
26 and the COMFORTER the HOLY SPIRIT, whom the FATHER will send in MY NAME, HE will teach you all things, and remind you of all things that I said to you.
27 `Peace I leave to you; my peace I give to you, not according as the world doth give do I give to you; let not your heart be troubled, nor let it be afraid;
28 ye heard that I said to you -- I go away, and I come unto you; if ye did love ME, ye would have rejoiced that I said -- I go on to the FATHER because MY FATHER is greater than I.
29 `And now I have said to you before it come to pass, that when it may come to pass, ye may believe;
30 I will no more talk much with you, for the ruler of this world (Satan) doth come, and in ME he hath nothing;
31 but that the world may know that I love the FATHER, and according as the FATHER gave ME command so I do; arise, we may go hence.

Thank you...my heart is not troubled...

 

[LittleNipper]

Thank you...my heart is not troubled...

So you believe in JESUS. That is a form of worship! Good for you, you are beginning to see the light!

 

[Daisy]

So you believe in JESUS. That is a form of worship! Good for you, you are beginning to see the light!

lol...I believe in my husband, too but I don't worship him...

 

[tosca1]

lol...I believe in my husband, too but I don't worship him...

You equate your belief in Jesus with belief in your husband?

Is your husband a JW?

 

[tosca1]

Which it certainly may, and no doubt has in many instances.

I had given specific examples of the "instances" that are relevant to this discussion.
The issues are c;ear.


I don't want to get into a discussion that makes a clear issue, foggy.


have a nice day.

 

[LittleNipper]

lol...I believe in my husband, too but I don't worship him...

Your husband likely never professed to be the SON of GOD while living here. And I imagine you would not believe in your husband as you would the FATHER.

 

[tosca1]

lol...I believe in my husband, too but I don't worship him...

WHOA! HOLD A SEC!



If you're not worshipping Jesus - like you think He doesn't deserved any worship - you do realize that you're giving another contradiction to your position?


You can't claim that you and JW, are doing what the first Christians did! Because that would be a contradiction.
You are not doing what they did.
Actually - you're doing the exact opposite!
And, you seem to be smug about telling us you don't worship Him!


FYI......they worshipped Him.

Does the Bible describe Jesus being worshiped?​

Worship means “reverence paid to a divine being.” If Jesus was offered and accepted worship, then by doing so He was confirming His divinity.
This is important because there are those who deny the deity of Christ, relegating Him instead to a lesser position than God. Yes, Jesus accepted worship.
As the second Person of the Trinity, He was and still is worshiped.


From the beginning of Jesus’ life, we see examples of Him being worshiped. As soon as the Magi laid eyes on the infant Christ, “they bowed down and worshiped Him” (Matthew 2:11). The Bible records the initial response Jesus received when He made His triumphal entry into Jerusalem: “So they took branches of palm trees and went out to meet him, crying out, ‘Hosanna! Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord, even the King of Israel!’” (Matthew 21:9; John 12:13) The word hosanna is a plea for salvation and an expression of adoration. This word used by the crowd is definitely a form of worship.

Just after Jesus amazed the disciples by walking on water, “those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, ‘Truly you are the Son of God’” (Matthew 14:33). Two more memorable examples of Jesus accepting worship occurred just after His resurrection. Some of the women (Matthew 28:8-9; Mark 16:1; Luke 24:10) were on their way to tell the disciples of the resurrection when Jesus met them on their way. When they realized it was He, they “came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him” (Matthew 28:9).

Then there is the case of Thomas, who didn’t believe Jesus had risen from the dead despite the other disciples’ testifying to that fact. It had been about a week since the resurrection, and Thomas still doubted it. Jesus, knowing Thomas doubted, appeared to him and showed him the nail marks in His hands and feet and the wound in His side. How did Thomas respond? “Thomas said to him, ‘My Lord and my God!’” (John 20:28). In none of these instances do we see Jesus telling those worshiping Him to stop, as did mere men and even angels who were being worshiped wrongly by others (Acts 10:25–26; Revelation 19:9–10).

Does the Bible describe Jesus being worshiped? | GotQuestions.org

Does the Bible describe Jesus being worshiped? Is there anyone in the Bible that directly worshiped Jesus?

www.gotquestions.org

 

[tosca1]

lol...I believe in my husband, too but I don't worship him...

Since you always rely on memes..............well then..............




GIMME A JW MEME!

that shows................Jesus had actually stopped a disciple from worshipping Him, telling the disciple he shouldn't worship Jesus.




Worship in the context of Scripture involves reverence, adoration, and acknowledgment of divine status.
In many passages of both the Old and New Testaments, worship is directed exclusively to the one true God.
However, the New Testament identifies Jesus as worthy of the same honor and adoration.

Throughout biblical narrative, worship includes acts such as bowing (Acts 10:25-26), praising (Luke 24:52-53), and confession of faith (Romans 10:9).
The Bible also portrays worship as something done in spirit and in truth (John 4:24). In multiple instances, the texts show Jesus receiving these honors with divine prerogative.

Explicit Examples of Worshiping Jesus

What does the Bible say about worshiping Jesus?

 

[tosca1]

Unless you don't believe in, or don't understand the meaning of the OMNIPOTENCE of GOD.................why ask such a juvenile question?


Seriously?

Who's doing your memes?

 

[Daisy]

 

[LittleNipper]

HE (JESUS the MESSIAH) did feel at that moment what it was like to be separated from the FATHER, and that was an entirely new feeling that exists no where else in the Bible. It had to be the most horrific thing GOD ever experienced --- to be separated. JESUS gave up HIS SPIRIT to the FATHER ---- HE didn't die as Witnesses suppose... And frankly neither do we. The body dies because of our sin, but our soul is eternal into the future ---- from the moment each of us is conceived.

 

[Daisy]

 

[LittleNipper]

https://www.gotquestions.org/human-soul-mortal-immortal.html

One needs to read the Bible in every aspect to fully understand the implications. Witnesses and other groups who will not accept the existence of hell cannot accept an eternal soul ------because where would they go if not to heaven?

The human soul or spirit is that part of a man or woman that is not physical. The soul is central to the personhood of a human being. It is the “true self”—who a person really is. The soul is the center of life, feeling, thought, and action in a human being.

Without a doubt the human soul is immortal. That is, the soul is not subject to death. Once created, the soul never ceases to exist but is everlasting. The soul is spiritual and thus has the quality of immortality. In contrast, the body is physical; the earthly body we now possess is subject to death.

The immortality of the soul is clearly seen in many places in Scripture. For example, in Psalm 23:6 David says, “I will dwell in the house of the Lord forever.” In Ecclesiastes 12:7 the Preacher mentions two things that happen at death: “The dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.” In 2 Corinthians 5:8 Paul says that to be “absent from the body” is to be “present with the Lord” (NKJV). All these passages indicate that the soul is immortal.

What, then, are we to do with 1 Timothy 6:16, which says that God “alone is immortal”? We see this verse as teaching that God alone is immortal in and of Himself; that is, He alone possesses immortality as an essential part of His nature. Our soul’s immortality, on the other hand—and that of the angels—is derived from God. God is immortal in His being; our souls are immortal as a result of God’s creation. Commentator Albert Barnes put it this way: “God, in his own nature, enjoys a perfect and certain exemption from death. Creatures have immortality only as they derive it from him, and of course are dependent on him for it. He has it by his very nature, and it is in his case underived, and he cannot be deprived of it. It is one of the essential attributes of his being, that he will always exist, and that death cannot reach him” (Notes on the Bible, 1834).

 

[LittleNipper]

In John 5:26 Jesus says, “The Father has life in himself.” This is another way of saying that God alone is immortal. The immortality of the human soul, that is, its quality of continuing forever, is a reflection of God’s nature in us. God alone is without a beginning or end. All of His creatures, animal, human, and angelic, had a beginning. Our souls came into being at a certain point in history, and there was a time when our souls did not exist. Only our Creator is eternal.

Other passages that indicate the immortality of the human soul include Luke 23:43, where Jesus promises one of the thieves who is dying beside Him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.” Obviously, Jesus believed the soul of the repentant thief was going to survive physical death.

Daniel 12:2–3 says, “Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt. Those who are wise will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars for ever and ever.” This passage promises a resurrection of both the just and the unjust. When we die, our bodies return to “dust” (cf. Genesis 3:19). From that dust the body will return to either “everlasting life” or “everlasting contempt.” We must assume the soul will be reunited with the body at that time—otherwise, the resurrected bodies would be soulless and therefore inhuman.

In Matthew 25:46 Jesus said that the wicked “will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.” The same Greek word, translated “eternal,” is used to describe both “punishment” and “life.” Jesus clearly taught that both the wicked and the righteous will exist forever in one of two conditions. Thus, every human being has an immortal, everlasting soul.

The unmistakable teaching of the Bible is that all people, whether saved or lost, will exist eternally. The spiritual part of us does not cease to exist when our fleshly bodies pass away in death. Our souls will live forever, either in the presence of God in heaven or in punishment in hell. The Bible also teaches that our souls will be reunited with our bodies at the resurrection. This hope of a bodily resurrection is at the very heart of the Christian faith (1 Corinthians 15:12–19).

 

[Daisy]

https://www.gotquestions.org/human-soul-mortal-immortal.html

One needs to read the Bible in every aspect to fully understand the implications. Witnesses and other groups who will not accept the existence of hell cannot accept an eternal soul ------because where would they go if not to heaven?

The human soul or spirit is that part of a man or woman that is not physical. The soul is central to the personhood of a human being. It is the “true self”—who a person really is. The soul is the center of life, feeling, thought, and action in a human being.

Without a doubt the human soul is immortal. That is, the soul is not subject to death. Once created, the soul never ceases to exist but is everlasting. The soul is spiritual and thus has the quality of immortality. In contrast, the body is physical; the earthly body we now possess is subject to death.

The immortality of the soul is clearly seen in many places in Scripture. For example, in Psalm 23:6 David says, “I will dwell in the house of the Lord forever.” In Ecclesiastes 12:7 the Preacher mentions two things that happen at death: “The dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.” In 2 Corinthians 5:8 Paul says that to be “absent from the body” is to be “present with the Lord” (NKJV). All these passages indicate that the soul is immortal.

What, then, are we to do with 1 Timothy 6:16, which says that God “alone is immortal”? We see this verse as teaching that God alone is immortal in and of Himself; that is, He alone possesses immortality as an essential part of His nature. Our soul’s immortality, on the other hand—and that of the angels—is derived from God. God is immortal in His being; our souls are immortal as a result of God’s creation. Commentator Albert Barnes put it this way: “God, in his own nature, enjoys a perfect and certain exemption from death. Creatures have immortality only as they derive it from him, and of course are dependent on him for it. He has it by his very nature, and it is in his case underived, and he cannot be deprived of it. It is one of the essential attributes of his being, that he will always exist, and that death cannot reach him” (Notes on the Bible, 1834).

Your source is biased, as well as it lies...it's downright crazy how other organizations think they know what we believe so well...they don't have a clue...

 

[Parker_Chess]

I'm not familiar with the New World Translation. Let's look at a few sample verses.

John 3:16 (NWT)
"For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life."

John 3:16 (KJV) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him
Should not perish, but have everlasting life.

The choice of "exercising faith" as opposed to simply "believing".

John 1:1 (NWT)
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.”

John 1:1 (KJV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

"a god" lowercase as opposed to "was God" capitalized.

Like 1:28 (NWT) And coming in, the angel said to her: “Greetings, you highly favored one, Jehovah* is with you.”

Luke 1:28 (KJV) And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

"Jehovah" was used instead of "Lord". "Blessed art though among women" is excluded in the NWT version.

Ephesians 2:20 (NWT) and you have been built up on the foundation of the apostles and prophets,+ while Christ Jesus himself is the foundation cornerstone.

Ephesians 2:20 (KJV) And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

"Is the foundation cornerstone" rather than "being the chief corner stone".

My take away. There does appear to be bias in the words used to describe Jesus. It's not something that can be easily explained but other Christians can identify. Also, whenever iconic verses have their tenses changed in English it begs the question as why? I'm not saying the NWT is egregious it's probably still a better version than some others I've seen.

 

[Daisy]

There does appear to be bias in the words used to describe Jesus.

The bias is with trinitarians...

 

[tosca1]

When Jesus cried out from the CROSS:
"My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? He spoke as the human who's suffering for our sin.............and repeated Psalm 22:1.
He fulfilled the prophecy.


Psalm 22:1
1 My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?
Why are you so far from saving me,
so far from my cries of anguish?





“And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” (Matthew 27:46, KJV).
This cry is a fulfillment of Psalm 22:1, one of many parallels between that psalm and the specific events of the crucifixion.

It is difficult to understand in what sense Jesus was “forsaken” by God. It is certain that God approved His work. It is certain that Jesus was innocent. He had done nothing to forfeit the favor of God. As God’s own Son—holy, harmless, undefiled, and obedient—God still loved Him. In none of these senses could God have forsaken Him.
The prophet Isaiah says this about the Messiah: “Surely he took up our pain and bore our suffering, yet we considered him punished by God, stricken by him, and afflicted.
But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was on him, and by his wounds we are healed” (Isaiah 53:4–5).
Jesus redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us (Galatians 3:13).
He was made a sin-offering, and He died in our place, on our account, that He might bring us near to God.
It was this, doubtless, that intensified His sufferings and part of why Jesus said, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”

It was the manifestation of God’s hatred of sin, in some unexplained way, that Jesus experienced in that terrible hour.
The suffering He endured was due to us, and it is that suffering by which we can be saved from eternal death.

Why did Jesus say, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” | GotQuestions.org

Why did Jesus say, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” Did God forsake Jesus? Why did Jesus feel forsaken and abandoned while He was on the cross?

www.gotquestions.org

 

[tosca1]

What seems to be the MYTH here is the claim that JW is a Christian religion.


One cannot call himself a follower of Jesus Christ (Christian), if he doesn't believe what He says, and does not obey what He teaches.


From what I learned about JW in all the years that I've been debating with JW apologists..............is that not only have they reduced the stature of Jesus, but they contradict many of His teachings.
I have to wonder, why?



The false prophet of the end times is described in Revelation 13:11-15. He is also referred to as the “second beast” (Revelation 13:11; 16:13, 19:20, 20:10).
Together with the Antichrist and Satan, who empowers both of them, the false prophet is the third party in the unholy trinity.


Whoever the false prophet turns out to be, the final world deception and the final apostasy will be great, and the whole world will be caught up in it.
The deceivers and false teachers we see today are the forerunners of the Antichrist and the false prophet, and we must not be deceived by them.
These false teachers abound, and they are moving us toward a final satanic kingdom.

Who is the false prophet of the end times? | GotQuestions.org

Who is the false prophet of the end times? How will the false prophet be connected to the antichrist in the end times?

www.gotquestions.org

 

[tosca1]

Your source is biased, as well as it lies...it's downright crazy how other organizations think they know what we believe so well...they don't have a clue...

Romans 16: 17-18

I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them.
For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive.

 

[tosca1]

Your source is biased, as well as it lies...it's downright crazy how other organizations think they know what we believe so well...they don't have a clue...

EXACTLY.

Now.................will JW re-do the NWT, and correct all the corruptions they'd done to it?

 

[MamboDervish]

EXACTLY.

Now.................will JW re-do the NWT, and correct all the corruptions they'd done to it?

 

[tosca1]

I'm not familiar with the New World Translation. Let's look at a few sample verses.


The choice of "exercising faith" as opposed to simply "believing".


"a god" lowercase as opposed to "was God" capitalized.


"Jehovah" was used instead of "Lord". "Blessed art though among women" is excluded in the NWT version.


"Is the foundation cornerstone" rather than "being the chief corner stone".

My take away. There does appear to be bias in the words used to describe Jesus. It's not something that can be easily explained but other Christians can identify. Also, whenever iconic verses have their tenses changed in English it begs the question as why? I'm not saying the NWT is egregious it's probably still a better version than some others I've seen.

@Daisy
@Alter2Ego


To me, this is the gravest of all corruptions:


John 1 (NWT)
1  In the beginning was the Word,a and the Word was with God,b and the Word was a god.


It changes the dynamic of the whole message in the Bible.
And it actually confirms that JW know that they're worshipping another god.




John 1 (ESV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1 (NIV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.