New World Translation Curiosities...

[bongsaway]

bongsaway:

Since you apparently don't believe the gospels within God's inspired word, the Judeo-Christian Bible, are "factual and accurate story telling," suppose you provide sources, along with their weblinks, that say otherwise.

SUGGESTION: Perhaps the person going by the screen name MamboDervish can help you out on that. Particularly since MamboDervish insists there are "actual linguists and biblical scholars over the past 60+ years" who supposedly have information to prove there are no "truly accurate translation" of the Judeo-Christian Bible.

So go ahead and hook up with MamboDervish. Then be sure and let the rest of us know how that works out for you.


Alter2Ego

You want me to prove to you things that don't exist? As soon as you can explain to me how a person lived in the belly of a fish for three days, we can talk. Until then, you prove to me your god exists anywhere outside of a book.

 

[Daisy]

 

[Alter2Ego]

You want me to prove to you things that don't exist? As soon as you can explain to me how a person lived in the belly of a fish for three days, we can talk. Until then, you prove to me your god exists anywhere outside of a book.

bongsaway:

I asked you first; remember? Below is the order of the conversation.

Post 116

How long after the death of Jesus was the first gospel written, how long until the last gospel was written? And you think there is some kind of factual and accurate story telling in there? Where was jesus buried, where is the arc of the covenant, the cross, the chalice from the last supper, noah's ark? Where are these things that we all have been told about?

Post 120

bongsaway:

Since you apparently don't believe the gospels within God's inspired word, the Judeo-Christian Bible, are "factual and accurate story telling," suppose you provide sources, along with their weblinks, that say otherwise.

There you are. Now, go ahead and provide your sources and weblinks that say the gospels do not contain "factual and accurate story telling." After you provide such sources, I will then provide credible sources that will contradict yours.

Ready, set, go!


Alter2Ego

 

[bongsaway]

bongsaway:

I asked you first; remember? Below is the order of the conversation.

Post 116


Post 120


There you are. Now, go ahead and provide your sources and weblinks that say the gospels do not contain "factual and accurate story telling." After you provide such sources, I will then provide credible sources that will contradict yours.

Ready, set, go!


Alter2Ego

Your game, you win. Enjoy.

 

[Daisy]

Cite where Jesus actually called God, Jehovah.

You know what's the most hypocritical of you? You readily accept that Jesus is God, even though he never actually said the words "I am God," yet you cannot accept that Jesus undoubtedly used God's name, Jehovah in the original writings, even though in most modern translations, God's name is not used...after all, he did actually say he made God's NAME known and he quoted the Hebrew Scriptures, which also freely used God's name Jehovah, when speaking of the True God...

 

[tosca1]

You know what's the most hypocritical of you? You readily accept that Jesus is God, even though he never actually said the words "I am God," yet you cannot accept that Jesus undoubtedly used God's name, Jehovah in the original writings, even though in most modern translations, God's name is not used...after all, he did actually say he made God's NAME known and he quoted the Hebrew Scriptures, which also freely used God's name Jehovah, when speaking of the True God...

Don't change the subject. Don't make it personal.



@Alter2Ego


Answer the questions:


Question 1: So, what name would that be that God wants to be known?

Question 2: Why hasn't the apostles reveal it to us, if Jesus had given God's personal name to them (other than I AM)?

 

[tosca1]

You know what's the most hypocritical of you? You readily accept that Jesus is God, even though he never actually said the words "I am God," yet you cannot accept that Jesus undoubtedly used God's name, Jehovah in the original writings, even though in most modern translations, God's name is not used...after all, he did actually say he made God's NAME known and he quoted the Hebrew Scriptures, which also freely used God's name Jehovah, when speaking of the True God...

You know what's the most hypocritical of you?
You try to change the subject, or you simply just run away...........................whenever you're stumped, and your JW manuals can't help you.
Then you go on spouting off the very same things.............. like as if you have not been rebutted.

Heck - you're so big on preaching, claiming about The Truth..................and yet, you can't defend your so-called "truth!"


If your belief is based on what's biblically true........surely you can defend your belief, like I do!
I have faced down and answered all your questions! With the help pf the Scriptures!

You, on the other hand - continue to take the verses out of context!
You don't read BIBLICAL explanations why your interpretations are out of context!
Or, you simply ignore them!


Have you noticed the pattern here?
You, and other apologists for JW, are getting stumped.
When push comes to shove - you're the ones always ending up on the defensive. Always retreating.


Your false religion can't stand against The Bible.



You don't want, or care a hoot about The Truth.
It's clear.....
You're an apologist for JW.............................not Christianity.
Your idol, is your religious organization called, Jehovah's Witnesses.

 

[tosca1]

@Daisy
@Alter2Ego


Did it ever occur to you that many of JW's teachings go against the teachings of Christ?
Jesus' stature is being reduced.....................and, He's being contradicted?

JW had also corrupted the Bible.......................by editing, removing or adding.
JW manipulates the Bible to suit their narratives.

In other words, JW practices deceptions and give out lies.


Don't you two find that.......................odd?


You know about........................ the....................... Father of LIES?
Don't you?

 

[tosca1]

You know what's the most hypocritical of you? You readily accept that Jesus is God, even though he never actually said the words "I am God,"

@Alter2Ego


Kinda like the serpent's question to Eve:

“Did God actually say, ‘You shall not eat of any tree in the garden’?”



But, He did, actually say, He is GOD!


“Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”
"I am the Alpha and Omega!"



Plus all those countless teachings of the apostles about Him.
Where do you think all those teachings come from?
J E S U S.


Like this one:

John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.




So you see, you can't say He didn't say it.

The problem is.......................... you're not listening.

 

[tosca1]

You know what's the most hypocritical of you? You readily accept that Jesus is God, even though he never actually said the words "I am God,"

@Alter2Ego


Jesus can shout it to the rooftops......................and, you'd still not hear it.

You won't listen to something you don't want to hear.



Like I said: you two have fallen into the clutches of a false religion. A cult.
You need God's help to claw your way out of it.
Some of us are relentlessly trying to help you.

 

[tosca1]

@Alter2Ego


What's your point?

 

[Daisy]

 

[Paradoxical]

Why are more and more modern bible translations becoming more like the NWT? Why were those on the NWT committee decades ahead of today's top orthodox scholars? This video series explains this and more on how the NWT is truly an accurate translation. Yes! The New World Translation is a valid translation. A video series that looks into it!

Since the bible was written and rewritten by numerous scribes over centuries each with his own beliefs and agenda and bishops decided which writings would stay and which would go, and then centuries later others spun their own interpretations resulting in numerous other interpretations it is like asking why you can't pick up a perfect ball of Jello with your hands.

 

[Revelation]

Since the bible was written and rewritten by numerous scribes over centuries each with his own beliefs and agenda and bishops decided which writings would stay and which would go, and then centuries later others spun their own interpretations resulting in numerous other interpretations it is like asking

why you can't pick up a perfect ball of Jello with your hands.

and when you study the details on how the bible came to be, the Jello in yur imagination turns to Rock Hard faith and knowledge from God himself.

the scribes were very diligent in their work; learn how the Old Testament was preserved. the New Testament has hundreds of manuscripts preserved to compare from.

i use the Textus Receptus Scrivener 1872 edition for excellence of Greek preservation.


edit....


1. The differences between the various editions of the Greek Received Text are extremely slight and cannot be compared to the differences found in the Alexandrian manuscripts.

According to Scrivener’s extensive comparisons, there are 252 places in which the Erasmus, Stephanus, Elzevir, Beza, and Complutensian Polyglot disagree sufficiently to affect the English translation. The 3rd edition of Stephanus and the 1st edition of Elzevir differ only 19 times in Mark. The editions of Beza differ from the 4th edition of Stephanus only 38 times in the entire New Testament.

In contrast, consider three of the chief Alexandrian manuscripts, Sinaiticus, Vaticanus, and Codex D. In the Gospel of Mark alone, Vaticanus disagrees with Sinaiticus 652 times and with Codex D 1,944 times. Sinaiticus and Vaticanus disagree with one another in more than 3,000 places in the four Gospels alone! https://www.wayoflife.org/reports/which_edition_of_received_text_should_we_use.html

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[tosca1]

John 17:26​

I have made your name known to them and will make it known, so that the love with which you loved me may be in them and I in union with them.”


QUESTION #1 TO tosca1: When addressing his heavenly Father (Jehovah) in prayer, didn't Jesus say he made his heavenly Father's name known to his disciples? YES or NO?

QUESTION #2 TO tosca 1: If Jesus didn't want his disciples to use the personal name of the Almighty, why did he go to the trouble of making it known to them?

QUESTION #3 TO tosca 1: If Jesus did not feel that the use of the Divine name (Jehovah) was important to Jehovah himself, why did he go to the trouble of mentioning it in prayer to Almighty God two different times (at John 17:6 and John 17:26)?



Looking forward to your responses.


Alter2Ego

@Daisy



Even IF - emphasis on IF - even IF Jesus had made God's name known to them, it doesn't necessarily mean that they have to use it.


As an example:

Your supervisor at work had made the company's owner's first name known to you (that his first name is Richard) - that doesn't mean that you should address the owner by his first name when he comes for a visit!
You still address him by his formal title - Mr. Williams - UNLESS, you are INSTRUCTED to address him by his first name!


If Jesus had revealed it to them (a name other than I AM), the apostles didn't share that with us......................didn't they?
That's why you two, can't even give us that so-called name you claim that Jesus had made known to the apostles!
IT'S NOT GIVEN IN THE BIBLE!
Why is that?



Jesus may have revealed God's name to the apostles.....................but He also INSTRUCTED us to address GOD as "FATHER," for the reason that He had stated.
That we may receive THE SAME FATHERLY LOVE that God has for His Son, Jesus.


"......so that the love with which you loved me may be in them........"

 

[tosca1]

John 17:26
I have made your name known to them and will make it known, so that the love with which you loved me may be in them and I in union with them.”


QUESTION #1 TO tosca1: When addressing his heavenly Father (Jehovah) in prayer, didn't Jesus say he made his heavenly Father's name known to his disciples? YES or NO?

QUESTION #2 TO tosca 1: If Jesus didn't want his disciples to use the personal name of the Almighty, why did he go to the trouble of making it known to them?

QUESTION #3 TO tosca 1: If Jesus did not feel that the use of the Divine name (Jehovah) was important to Jehovah himself, why did he go to the trouble of mentioning it in prayer to Almighty God two different times (at John 17:6 and John 17:26)?



Looking forward to your responses.


Alter2Ego

@Daisy


Refer to post #140.







How the heck do you use the name that you don't know?

 

[Daisy]

 

[tosca1]

Who's having a hard time calling His name?


Can you please understand the logic!



I'm saying:

You're telling us to call GOD by the name that you and @Alter2Ego claim that Jesus had divulged.
If He did, it wouldn't be the name I AM (Jehovah)........................since that name was already given in the OLD TESTAMENT!


Jesus can't say He had made God's name known to people when they already knew about it!

Jews knew God's name is I AM (Jehovah)............................all the way to the time of MOSES!


Therefore, I've been asking you: What Name?
Lol - you don't know that name which you say Jesus had made known to the Apostles.
And the Apostles - obviously - didn't share it with us!
It's nowhere in the New Testament!
That's why you can't give it to us!
Because, you don't know what it is!


So I'm asking: how can you call God by His name which you don't know?

 

[tosca1]

@Alter2Ego



Btw......


How come you seem to have a problem calling God, FATHER?



Is there something wrong in addressing GOD, as FATHER............especially so when Jesus had instructed us to do so?


Lol - even the verse you guys tried to take out of context, support my argument.
READ IT!
UNDERSTAND IT!

John 17:26​

I have made your name known to them and will make it known, so that the love with which you loved me may be in them and I in union with them.”



If there is a name of God that Jesus had made known to us...........it would be addressing God as FATHER!
WHY?
Here is the explanation for the reason:
SO THAT...............the love with which you loved me may be in them.........


So that, we may receive the same FATHERLY love that GOD has for Jesus!




You JWs , are competing with Jesus now................. Authority-wise?

 

[tosca1]

@Alter2Ego


Continuation:

And to further support my claim that if Jesus had revealed what GOD is to us....................it would be as OUR FATHER - THROUGH HIM (JESUS)!




Romans 8:15
For you did not receive the spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you have received the Spirit of adoption as sons, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!”


Matthew 23:9
And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven.


1 John 3: 1-2
See what kind of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God; and so we are. The reason why the world does not know us is that it did not know him.
Beloved, we are God's children now, and what we will be has not yet appeared; but we know that when he appears we shall be like him, because we shall see him as he is.


Galatians 3:26
For in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith.



John 14:23
Jesus answered him, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him.

 

[tosca1]

@Alter2Ego



................by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!”


So......the Apostles and disciples were calling God, Father!



Why not, JEHOVAH?



Let's remember that everything Jesus had taught us, had come from GOD!
Jesus was doing the will of GOD!


John 12:49
For I have not spoken on my own authority, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment—what to say and what to speak.



If Jesus had instructed us to regard and call GOD, "Father" - that's because, God wants us to regard, and call Him, FATHER!




Don't you feel so wonderfully blessed, in knowing that.....................God wants a close relationship with us?

 

[tosca1]

@Daisy
@Alter2Ego



I don't know about you two....................but to be given that message by Christ (which came from Jehovah).....................I just feel so loved by GOD.

And I thank GOD for the love He has for us.

He is our FATHER!
Our ABBA!

 

[Alter2Ego]

bongsaway:

I asked you first; remember? Below is the order of the conversation.

There you are. Now, go ahead and provide your sources and weblinks that say the gospels do not contain "factual and accurate story telling." After you provide such sources, I will then provide credible sources that will contradict yours.

Ready, set, go!

Your game, you win. Enjoy.

bongsaway:


As it was said in the movie with Tom Hanks called Forest Gump:

"Run, Forest. Run!"


Alter2Ego

 

[Alter2Ego]

Since the bible was written and rewritten by numerous scribes over centuries each with his own beliefs and agenda and bishops decided which writings would stay and which would go, and then centuries later others spun their own interpretations resulting in numerous other interpretations it is like asking why you can't pick up a perfect ball of Jello with your hands.

Paradoxical:

That is incorrect. The Judeo-Christian Bible has never been rewritten. It has been translated to various languages, and in some of the various translations, there are a few words missing or a few words added here and there, but the original message from Almighty God Jehovah remains untouched.

Any honest-hearted person can read any translation of the Bible, and all they need to do is pay attention to context (surrounding words, verses, and chapters as it pertains to a particular portion of scripture), and they will get the exact same understanding. I kid you not.


Alter2Ego

 

[bongsaway]

You know what's the most hypocritical of you? You readily accept that Jesus is God, even though he never actually said the words "I am God," yet you cannot accept that Jesus undoubtedly used God's name, Jehovah in the original writings, even though in most modern translations, God's name is not used...after all, he did actually say he made God's NAME known and he quoted the Hebrew Scriptures, which also freely used God's name Jehovah, when speaking of the True God...

bongsaway:

I asked you first; remember? Below is the order of the conversation.

Post 116


Post 120


There you are. Now, go ahead and provide your sources and weblinks that say the gospels do not contain "factual and accurate story telling." After you provide such sources, I will then provide credible sources that will contradict yours.

Ready, set, go!


Alter2Ego

When was the first gospel written? How long after the death of the guy on the cross? And you and anyone else is trying to tell me the words came from god's mouth to the writer's ears decades after the guy on the cross died? Really?