New tattoo rules for service men and women.

[clownboy]

Actually, while that is often the "Urban Legend", it is not quite true. Because I know one guy that got such an article 15.

But it is not under Article 108, "Destruction of Government Property". We ourselves are not "Government Property", so that does not apply.

Instead, we are charged under Article 115:



They actually got one guy in my last unit because he got a piercing in a non-visible part of the body, and it got infected. So he was charged for violating a lawful order, and malingering. I also knew one guy in the Marines who after his 4th bad sunburn in a year got charged with malingering (he seemed to get them right before going to the field every time, so he would have to be trucked out instead of doing the 15+ mile hikes).

Which if you are a student of military history is somewhat ironic. At one time when people were kicked out of the military, they were branded so they could not go elsewhere and enlist. Now you get kicked out of the military for branding.

Heh, thanks for explaining. I myself did receive an article 15 and had my pay gigged for a severe sunburn I'd gotten on leave. It was explained to me at the time as damaging government property.

 

[CRUE CAB]

That is fine.

You are welcome to form your own military and recruit people like this then. I do not want to serve next to them. It is not professional, and it is not appropriate.

If you bothered to read my earlier post, I said no neck and up tats. Or piercings.
Keep up please.

 

[APACHERAT]

Heh, thanks for explaining. I myself did receive an article 15 and had my pay gigged for a severe sunburn I'd gotten on leave. It was explained to me at the time as damaging government property.

I vaguely remember someone getting office hours for a sunburn. Were you a Marine Clownboy during the 70's or 71 ?

 

[clownboy]

I vaguely remember someone getting office hours for a sunburn. Were you a Marine Clownboy during the 70's or 71 ?

Army, 70-73.

 

[Oozlefinch]

If you bothered to read my earlier post, I said no neck and up tats. Or piercings.
Keep up please.

Look, if you are willing to restrict against neck and face, then why the issue with lower arms then?

At least be consistent, will ya?

Hey, if somebody wants to cover themselves, they can be my guest. Just don't join the military. We are used to nasty grab-assed civilians doing whatever in the hell they want to do. They have no discipline, they have no standards, they have little respect. But your screaming to most of us in here is really pointless. Not only do most of us agree with the standard, but it is also a good way to get rid of some of those that flooded in the last few years.

 

[mak2]

I remember one of our guys getting office hours for a sunburn. I dont remember the charge though.

I vaguely remember someone getting office hours for a sunburn. Were you a Marine Clownboy during the 70's or 71 ?

 

[APACHERAT]

Army, 70-73.

So both the Army and Marine Corps had a problem with the sun and sunburns.

I wonder if the Navy had the same problem ?

 

[Oozlefinch]

So both the Army and Marine Corps had a problem with the sun and sunburns.

I wonder if the Navy had the same problem ?

Only if it was negligence (or a repeating pattern), and affected your being able to do your duties.

 

[CRUE CAB]

Look, if you are willing to restrict against neck and face, then why the issue with lower arms then?

At least be consistent, will ya?

Hey, if somebody wants to cover themselves, they can be my guest. Just don't join the military. We are used to nasty grab-assed civilians doing whatever in the hell they want to do. They have no discipline, they have no standards, they have little respect. But your screaming to most of us in here is really pointless. Not only do most of us agree with the standard, but it is also a good way to get rid of some of those that flooded in the last few years.

I have been consistant. Dont try to thread drift.
Many a tattooed sailor defended this great nation, or should I say ingrateful nation.

 

[clownboy]

So both the Army and Marine Corps had a problem with the sun and sunburns.

I wonder if the Navy had the same problem ?

Eh, it was all on me. I went home to California on leave during the summer and spent too much time unprepared in the sun (sunscreen was for puusies back then), came back lobsterized.

 

[APACHERAT]

Eh, it was all on me. I went home to California on leave during the summer and spent too much time unprepared in the sun (sunscreen was for puusies back then), came back lobsterized.

I surfed back then and as far as a surfer would go was zinc oxide on the nose. Remember that ?

I never used a sunscreen, and I lived on or near the beach most of my life. No skin cancer yet.

Right now I have a pretty good tan that if I wore some shades to hide my blue eyes I could pass as a Mexican illegal alien and could have walked on the closed National Mall and would not have been issued a $100 trespassing ticket by Obama's Park Police.

 

[Surtr]

And the United States is made up of all colors, some chosen some not. Open your mind.

And those who choose to look unprofessional won't make it in the real world.

 

[CRUE CAB]

And those who choose to look unprofessional won't make it in the real world.

Me and my tats go to work every day and do just fine. And unless you are a very high ranking man in the military, I can garrantee I make more than you.

 

[Oozlefinch]

Me and my tats go to work every day and do just fine. And unless you are a very high ranking man in the military, I can garrantee I make more than you.

Yea, and I am sure that the members of GWAR make more then me as well, your point of all of this is what exactly?

And since you are not in the military, and apparently have never been in the military, I have absolutely no idea why you are trying to cram this down our throats. I find it even more funny that the majority of us who have served (with or without tattoos) are all telling you that you are wrong.

But hey, everybody has a right to believe whatever they want. I guess you are a tattoo partisan, and have absolutely no reason other then you think everybody should be as ink covered as you do.

 

[CRUE CAB]

Yea, and I am sure that the members of GWAR make more then me as well, your point of all of this is what exactly?

And since you are not in the military, and apparently have never been in the military, I have absolutely no idea why you are trying to cram this down our throats. I find it even more funny that the majority of us who have served (with or without tattoos) are all telling you that you are wrong.

But hey, everybody has a right to believe whatever they want. I guess you are a tattoo partisan, and have absolutely no reason other then you think everybody should be as ink covered as you do.

I am an individual rights partisan. Funny thing about tattoos is the only people they bother are the small minded non tattooed. And if my tattoos bother you, you are the one that has an issue.
Show me on one instance where a persons tattoo on their forearm has made them less of a soldier or sailor.

 

[Surtr]

And the United States is made up of all colors, some chosen some not. Open your mind.

It is open. Just not to people who make the conscious decision to get tatted up, and whine about how society should accept their dumb actions. We're all over the world last time I checked, and in a great many of those places, tattoos are synonymous with violent criminals and organized crime. It also looks like **** in general, not just in uniform. It projects the image that the individual is undisciplined, and just doesn't give a damn. That's fine for emos, hipsters, scene kids, thugs, biker gangs, white trash, and carnies, but not a professional organization like the United States Military.

 

[Oozlefinch]

I am an individual rights partisan..

People all hung up on "individual rights" should not be in the military in the first place. It is an organization based upon uniformity and working in unity, not for individuals following their own agendas.

 

[Oozlefinch]

It is open. Just not to people who make the conscious decision to get tatted up, and whine about how society should accept their dumb actions. We're all over the world last time I checked, and in a great many of those places, tattoos are synonymous with violent criminals and organized crime. It also looks like **** in general, not just in uniform. It projects the image that the individual is undisciplined, and just doesn't give a damn. That's fine for emos, hipsters, scene kids, thugs, biker gangs, white trash, and carnies, but not a professional organization like the United States Military.

And not only the military.

I spent many years in the "corporate world", and most of the same standards applied there (Hughes Aerospace, Boeing, Disney, DirecTV, Chevron, etc). No visible tattoos, no facial piercings (other then 1 or 2 in each ear), no "radical hairstyles", it was just not allowed. It did not matter if you were a super tech who could break up a subnet in your sleep and knew how to set manual hard drive specs by instinct, if you did not meet these standards you were not hired.

And BTW, I posted this in the funny pictures section about 2 months ago. But one thing I did not mention then was that one of those pictured is my own offspring.

What do you think the career progression for these guys will be?

 

[CRUE CAB]

People all hung up on "individual rights" should not be in the military in the first place. It is an organization based upon uniformity and working in unity, not for individuals following their own agendas.

Oh, so the whole gay soldier deal was not expressing some individual right? Lessee, gay? OK. Tats, nope you is a scumbag. Yea, great military there boys.

 

[Surtr]

And not only the military.

I spent many years in the "corporate world", and most of the same standards applied there (Hughes Aerospace, Boeing, Disney, DirecTV, Chevron, etc). No visible tattoos, no facial piercings (other then 1 or 2 in each ear), no "radical hairstyles", it was just not allowed. It did not matter if you were a super tech who could break up a subnet in your sleep and knew how to set manual hard drive specs by instinct, if you did not meet these standards you were not hired.

Yep. The only reason I'm a supervisor instead of the other people who were equally qualified is because I didn't have visible ink. We deal with the Japanese, Chinese, Koreans, the Brits, and sometimes the Germans, as well as some upper tier guys from Shell and BP. White helmets, white collars. Even in hydraulics and field work, there's just no room for it unless you're looking to stay at the bottom. It's just stupid. I got the ink bug when I was in the Army, got one on my upper bicep where nobody is ever going to see it unless I have my shirt off. Then again, I do like to move up the ladder.

And BTW, I posted this in the funny pictures section about 2 months ago. But one thing I did not mention then was that one of those pictured is my own offspring.

I wouldn't even know how to address any of those. Except maybe the ice cream cone. That ****'s gangster.

 

[Oozlefinch]

I wouldn't even know how to address any of those. Except maybe the ice cream cone. That ****'s gangster.

I think my favorite reply went something like:

1. Welfare
2. Crime
3. Welfare
4. Drugs and Welfare
5. WTF

 

[CRUE CAB]

Yep. The only reason I'm a supervisor instead of the other people who were equally qualified is because I didn't have visible ink. We deal with the Japanese, Chinese, Koreans, the Brits, and sometimes the Germans, as well as some upper tier guys from Shell and BP. White helmets, white collars. Even in hydraulics and field work, there's just no room for it unless you're looking to stay at the bottom. It's just stupid. I got the ink bug when I was in the Army, got one on my upper bicep where nobody is ever going to see it unless I have my shirt off. Then again, I do like to move up the ladder.


I wouldn't even know how to address any of those. Except maybe the ice cream cone. That ****'s gangster.

Well god forbid any of your white collar type coworkers ever find out you have a tat, or you will be sweeping floors by days end.

 

[Surtr]

Well god forbid any of your white collar type coworkers ever find out you have a tat, or you will be sweeping floors by days end.

I work in a rig yard, guy. Everyone has seen it.