New Smith & Wesson Pistol Carbine

[Rexedgar]

S&W M&P FPC

https://www.smith-wesson.com/product/fpc

My brother has never owned a firearm. He called me and said this is his first. Anyone have anything good or bad to share about this?

Stores two magazines in the stock. How does this affect the weight?

 

[Crovax]

S&W M&P FPC

https://www.smith-wesson.com/product/fpc

My brother has never owned a firearm. He called me and said this is his first. Anyone have anything good or bad to share about this?

Stores two magazines in the stock. How does this affect the weight?

What is your brother planning to use it for?

 

[Rexedgar]

What is your brother planning to use it for?

Knowing him, it’s a shiny toy.

 

[Crovax]

Knowing him, it’s a shiny toy.

Well if it's just for target shooting should be just fine

 

[Gateman_Wen]

S&W M&P FPC

https://www.smith-wesson.com/product/fpc

My brother has never owned a firearm. He called me and said this is his first. Anyone have anything good or bad to share about this?

Stores two magazines in the stock. How does this affect the weight?

Folding barrels are very "tacticool".

 

[Bum]

S&W M&P FPC

https://www.smith-wesson.com/product/fpc

My brother has never owned a firearm. He called me and said this is his first. Anyone have anything good or bad to share about this?

Stores two magazines in the stock. How does this affect the weight?

Meh...not my thing: If I had to go with a folding toy, I'd go with a KRISS Vector II.

 

[CLAX1911]

S&W M&P FPC

https://www.smith-wesson.com/product/fpc

My brother has never owned a firearm. He called me and said this is his first. Anyone have anything good or bad to share about this?

Stores two magazines in the stock. How does this affect the weight?

For a folding carbine that would definitely be one I'd look at. As far as the magazines go when they're fully loaded it's two magazines heavier that's how it affects the weight. In my experience with Smith & Wesson they run pretty good. They have a higher malfunction rate in some of the more expensive things out there but that is to be expected. One thing I like about this one over the kel tek as you can leave the update on it while it's folded.

 

[SMTA]

For a folding carbine that would definitely be one I'd look at. As far as the magazines go when they're fully loaded it's two magazines heavier that's how it affects the weight. In my experience with Smith & Wesson they run pretty good. They have a higher malfunction rate in some of the more expensive things out there but that is to be expected. One thing I like about this one over the kel tek as you can leave the update on it while it's folded.

Keltec guns are amongst the bottom of the barrel

 

[Glitch]

S&W M&P FPC

https://www.smith-wesson.com/product/fpc

My brother has never owned a firearm. He called me and said this is his first. Anyone have anything good or bad to share about this?

Stores two magazines in the stock. How does this affect the weight?

Looks like a nice little plinker for an indoor range. It is not very useful for anything else, but with a 16.25" barrel and butt-stock to support its 5.78 pound weight, it should be pretty accurate.

Since the spare magazines are in the butt-stock it is not going to effect the operation of the firearm. Each 17-round magazine only weighs 0.2 pounds (unloaded presumably), and it is not like anyone will be carrying this firearm long distances. In other words, this is not a firearm one takes hunting.

 

[Rexedgar]

Looks like a nice little plinker for an indoor range. It is not very useful for anything else, but with a 16.25" barrel and butt-stock to support its 5.78 pound weight, it should be pretty accurate.

Since the spare magazines are in the butt-stock it is not going to effect the operation of the firearm. Each 17-round magazine only weighs 0.2 pounds (unloaded presumably), and it is not like anyone will be carrying this firearm long distances. In other words, this is not a firearm one takes hunting.

What do the mags weigh loaded? I would imagine most Rambos will be loaded for bear, no pun intended.

 

[Glitch]

What do the mags weigh loaded? I would imagine most Rambos will be loaded for bear, no pun intended.

That would depend on what you loaded them with. As for shooting bear, it is only 9mm so I would not recommend it. You would just piss off the bear.

 

[zincwarrior]

For a folding carbine that would definitely be one I'd look at. As far as the magazines go when they're fully loaded it's two magazines heavier that's how it affects the weight. In my experience with Smith & Wesson they run pretty good. They have a higher malfunction rate in some of the more expensive things out there but that is to be expected. One thing I like about this one over the kel tek as you can leave the update on it while it's folded.

It has several advantages:
1. It can be folded without messing with the optic. Thats a bigger deal.
2. It has pistol ergos.
3. Its design is slightly smaller can fit in a backpack. Great for camping or for your vehicle.
4. The part I like: it only weighs 5 lbs. Thats big if your adult daughter and wife are both relatively tiny. I can swing my Mossberg around. They can't.

 

[Glitch]

It has several advantages:
1. It can be folded without messing with the optic. Thats a bigger deal.
2. It has pistol ergos.
3. Its design is slightly smaller can fit in a backpack. Great for camping or for your vehicle.
4. The part I like: it only weighs 5 lbs. Thats big if your adult daughter and wife are both relatively tiny. I can swing my Mossberg around. They can't.

The AR-7 is a much better backpack firearm. It even floats.

5.78 pounds, unloaded, is pretty heavy for a pistol. My stainless steel Ruger .44 Mag. only weighs 3.4 pounds by comparison. Comparing a pistol to a shotgun is not a valid comparison, and only demonstrates just how heavy this pistol truly is. I would expect the shotgun to be heavier. I would not expect a pistol to weigh more than 5 pounds unloaded.

 

[zincwarrior]

The AR-7 is a much better backpack firearm. It even floats.

Does it fold? Its a .22 LR. Who cares?

5.78 pounds, unloaded, is pretty heavy for a pistol.

Its a carbine.

My stainless steel Ruger .44 Mag. only weighs 3.4 pounds by comparison.

Its a carbine.

Comparing a pistol to a shotgun is not a valid comparison, and only demonstrates just how heavy this pistol truly is.

Its a carbine. Its almost identical in weight to an M1 carbine. Most PCCs are in the same 6.8lb ballpark as an AR clone.

I would expect the shotgun to be heavier.

Thats my point. Its an option for lightweight Wimminz and Menz vs. an 11 lb shotgun. And you can have it in your car without anyone stealing it. and it uses inexpensive 9mm ammo.

I would not expect a pistol to weigh more than 5 pounds unloaded.

I would not either, but this CARBINE is much lighter than comparable carbines and is more reliable than a Kel-Tec.

 

[Rexedgar]

That would depend on what you loaded them with. As for shooting bear, it is only 9mm so I would not recommend it. You would just piss off the bear.

You misunderstand, most would carry the mags in the stock loaded, right? What’s the point otherwise? 22 or 23 9mm x 2 is significant.

 

[Glitch]

You misunderstand, most would carry the mags in the stock loaded, right? What’s the point otherwise? 22 or 23 9mm x 2 is significant.

The magazines are stored in the butt-stock, which presumably would be in the shooter's shoulder when using the firearm. The extra weight of two 17-round magazines is not going to effect the operation of the firearm or impede the shooter's ability to hit their target.

My AR-7 also stores a 10-round magazine in its butt-stock, which I keep unloaded. It only uses .22 LR, so weight isn't an issue. I'm reasonably certain it would still float even with a loaded magazine. I just don't like storing loaded magazines for the long term. I may only use the AR-7 two or three times in a given year, so I leave the magazine unloaded until I use it.

 

[zincwarrior]

My AR-7 also stores a 10-round magazine in its butt-stock, which I keep unloaded. It only uses .22 LR, so weight isn't an issue. I'm reasonably certain it would still float even with a loaded magazine. I just don't like storing loaded magazines for the long term. I may only use the AR-7 two or three times in a given year, so I leave the magazine unloaded until I use it.

Cool. But you don't have the AR-7 for people correct? The FPC is for two legged threats.

 

[Glitch]

Does it fold? Its a .22 LR. Who cares?

The rifle breaks down so that everything, including the barrel, fits into the butt-stock of the firearm. It is reasonably accurate to maybe 100 meters at most, which is going to be more accurate than this pistol with its 16.5" barrel.

As far as who cares? I do, since it has provided many a fresh meal over the decades I've used it. A .22 LR is a far more appropriate caliber for small game than 9mm.

Its a carbine.

It's a pistol.

Its a carbine.

It's a pistol.

Its a carbine. Its almost identical in weight to an M1 carbine. Most PCCs are in the same 6.8lb ballpark as an AR clone.

It's a pistol. The M1 is a carbine. It also weighs MORE than the M1 carbine. This pistol does not use an intermediate round

Thats my point. Its an option for lightweight Wimminz and Menz vs. an 11 lb shotgun. And you can have it in your car without anyone stealing it. and it uses inexpensive 9mm ammo.


I would not either, but this CARBINE is much lighter than comparable carbines and is more reliable than a Kel-Tec.

Except that it is not a carbine since it uses 9mm pistol ammunition.

 

[Glitch]

Cool. But you don't have the AR-7 for people correct? The FPC is for two legged threats.

Correct. I use the AR-7 on small game exclusively. I'm less concerned with two-legged threats than I am about four-legged threats. Which is why I also carry an AR-12 and my Ruger .44 Mag. as backup whenever I go fishing.

A 9mm pistol round is designed for close range, within 50 meters. I don't know if I would want to be waving around a 16.5" barrel inside a building. While it is certainly better than waving around a 20" barrel, I would prefer something considerably shorter. Like under 8" in barrel length and less than 4 pounds in weight.

 

[RF667799]

The rifle breaks down so that everything, including the barrel, fits into the butt-stock of the firearm. It is reasonably accurate to maybe 100 meters at most, which is going to be more accurate than this pistol with its 16.5" barrel.

As far as who cares? I do, since it has provided many a fresh meal over the decades I've used it. A .22 LR is a far more appropriate caliber for small game than 9mm.


It's a pistol.


It's a pistol.


It's a pistol. The M1 is a carbine. It also weighs MORE than the M1 carbine. This pistol does not use an intermediate round


Except that it is not a carbine since it uses 9mm pistol ammunition.

Not uncommon for carbines to use pistol ammunition. It's sort of a traditional American thing to have a carbine and a pistol as companion pieces in the same chambering.

Winchester 1873 carbines chambered in .44-40.

Ruger carbines chambered in .44 magnum.

 

[rahl]

The rifle breaks down so that everything, including the barrel, fits into the butt-stock of the firearm. It is reasonably accurate to maybe 100 meters at most, which is going to be more accurate than this pistol with its 16.5" barrel.

As far as who cares? I do, since it has provided many a fresh meal over the decades I've used it. A .22 LR is a far more appropriate caliber for small game than 9mm.


It's a pistol.


It's a pistol.


It's a pistol. The M1 is a carbine. It also weighs MORE than the M1 carbine. This pistol does not use an intermediate round


Except that it is not a carbine since it uses 9mm pistol ammunition.

So no, this is not a pistol. It's a pistol caliber carbine, which is a rifle.

 

[zincwarrior]

So no, this is not a pistol. It's a pistol caliber carbine, which is a rifle.

Exactly. It has a hundred yard effective range and is designed to put three rounds in people very fast, not rabbits. Its not for people wandering around the wilderness. Comparing the two is illogical.

 

[Glitch]

Not uncommon for carbines to use pistol ammunition. It's sort of a traditional American thing to have a carbine and a pistol as companion pieces in the same chambering.

Winchester 1873 carbines chambered in .44-40.

Ruger carbines chambered in .44 magnum.

Actually, carbines fire intermediate rounds, or pistol/rifle hybrids. Like the M1 carbine and its .30 cal. intermediate round. The Winchester 1873 carbine also used the .44-40 intermediate round. Only pistols use pistol rounds.

 

[Glitch]

So no, this is not a pistol. It's a pistol caliber carbine, which is a rifle.

It is pistol with a long barrel. If you call it a rifle then it would be illegal to own without paying the illegal taxes imposed by the unconstitutional NFA of 1934. Long guns cannot have barrel lengths less than 18", and this is 16.5". As a pistol it can be owned by anyone. As a rifle it can only be owned by an FFL holder who has paid their illegal taxes on the firearm.

 

[zincwarrior]

Actually, carbines fire intermediate rounds, or pistol/rifle hybrids. Like the M1 carbine and its .30 cal. intermediate round. The Winchester 1873 carbine also used the .44-40 intermediate round. Only pistols use pistol rounds.

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