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Observant Jews and Muslims follow religious laws that dictate that they eat the meat of animals that have been slaughtered according to strict rules, including that the animals are conscious and healthy when their throats are cut. Animal rights activists say the practice causes unnecessary suffering.
There is only one slaughterhouse in the Netherlands where meat is slaughtered for kosher consumption, and that is done only one day a week.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/31/world/europe/netherlands-kosher-halal-animal-rights.html
War on religion? Do you think they will try to regulate small farms as well?
I believe this is the war on religion and that these actions will be coming to America.
Of the 500 million animals slaughtered every year for consumption in the Netherlands only 3,000 are for kosher meat.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/31/world/europe/netherlands-kosher-halal-animal-rights.html
War on religion? Do you think they will try to regulate small farms as well?
I believe this is the war on religion and that these actions will be coming to America.
War on religion would be to pass laws that intend to specifically place a tougher standard on religious people than others. Holding them to the exact same standard as everyone else is not war on religion. It is just refusing to give them special treatment.
From the article
This isn’t even about religious freedom it’s just straight up anti-Semitism
Screw the religious. They need to grow up and deal with reality.
The burden could also be such that it was only a burden to those whose religions considered it so. Forbidding head scarves or burkas does not impose on Catholics for instance.
This is the exactly bigotry the OP is warning of
No, it's expecting people to be smarter than they have been in the past. It's expecting adults to grow up. Time to get out of the bronze age.
This is the exactly bigotry the OP is warning of
Why should religious beliefs get people special treatment?
Skeptic Bob said:If a particular act is innocuous enough that you would allow a particular special interest group to keep doing it, then it shouldn’t be illegal in the first place.
Not special treatment, protection from infringement. Are you seriously so ignorant of history to not understand why the freedom to practice religion is important?
As to the specific law, Skeptic Bob said it best
Not special treatment, protection from infringement. Are you seriously so ignorant of history to not understand why the freedom to practice religion is important?
As to the specific law, Skeptic Bob said it best
If a muslim woman can have her drivers license picture wearing a burka, then I can too. Or maybe a ski mask. Depends on the weather. There is a point where a religion and a free society meet. The free society cannot possibly accommodate all religions so at the juncture, which is sometimes kind of fuzzy, free society wins.
I can offer a 20-year-old eye witness account. When I was getting my Egyptian driver's license in 1997, the woman behind me had to remove her face covering for her photo. Apparently the rule of law can trump religion, even in a majority Muslim country.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/31/world/europe/netherlands-kosher-halal-animal-rights.html
War on religion? Do you think they will try to regulate small farms as well?
I believe this is the war on religion and that these actions will be coming to America.
It is special treatment. You have the right to practice your religion within the the laws of society, your religion does not exempt you from society's rules. Is a law forbidding the removal of children form education before 16 also anti-semitism because it infringes on the beliefs of ultra-Orthodox Jews?
The Jews are a small minority that is easily suppressed. The Dutch have done it before. At present the Jews can probably get kosher meat from Germany, though. I wouldn't expect civil resistance. As to the Muslims, that could be more interesting.
As to America, I would say it already is being introduced in related areas like abortion and et alias the baker crushed by gays.
I don't think it's a war on religion at all but that also doesn't mean I support it either. Based on the article if kosher is " animals are conscious and healthy" I guess my question is how are 100s of millions of animals slaughtered. Im sure its not a matter of "healthy" but its a matter of "conscious" . .
That really doesn't bother me either way if they are or aren't conscious but if that's the sticking point I certainly don;t see that as a war on religion, it simply a disagreement between animal activists and people who don't really care. So IMO if somebody wants to have a farm that does it to conscious animals that is fine by me but nobody should be forced to do so or forced not to do so unless some other rational argument can be made?
Is there a rational argument to not allow the animals to be conscious?
War on religion would be to pass laws that intend to specifically place a tougher standard on religious people than others. Holding them to the exact same standard as everyone else is not war on religion. It is just refusing to give them special treatment.
Perhaps telling Muslim men that they're not allowed to beat their wives despite what God tells them in verse 4:32 of the Qur'an is also a war on religion.
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