New report says a witness claims Martin threw punches MMA style [W: 1873]

[Kreton]

Cut and paste from the "report".......... Thanks.

read it if you are intested in the info. I have provided it to you. If you want to continue to be closed minded and base your assumptions on half the facts that is your choice and your right. The information is a click away if you are interested. You not reading the article will not change the fact that Trayvon was a drug addicted, drug dealing, woman hating degenerate.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

Trayvon stated it and his liver tox report supports it.

Please let the rest of us look at this tox report.

Oh and the fact that he had half the ingredients in his possession.

The "half" of the ingredients he had was a soft drink. But your description is much more dramatic sounding.

There's not actually any evidence that M had cough suppressant in his system that night is there?

 

[Kreton]

Please let the rest of us look at this tox report.

I am not going to come to your house and read it to you. Please by all means click the link. Or don't. Ignore the evidence. You choosing to ignore something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It is there for you to read if you want to. I can keep telling you this if you want.

The "half" of the ingredients he had was a soft drink. But your description is much more dramatic sounding.

There's not actually any evidence that M had cough suppressant in his system that night is there?

There are 3 ingredients used, Robotussin (or codiene) Arizona Tea and Skittles (or jolly ranchers). He had 2 of the 3 in his possession and openly admitted making the stuff.

There's not actually any evidence that M had cough suppressant in his system that night is there?

Read the report. The signs of using and abusing this drug are clearly stated and show in his liver. But like you tend to do, ignore it so you don't have to actually face the facts of this case. If the evidence doesn't fit your preconcieved notions then you should just ignore it.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

I am not going to come to your house and read it to you. Please by all means click the link. Or don't. Ignore the evidence. You choosing to ignore something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It is there for you to read if you want to. I can keep telling you this if you want.

It's not there.
Either you're lying or you're ignorant about what we're talking about.

I can prove that there is no link to M's toxicology report on that page.
This link absolutely PROVES that there is no link to the toxicology report on the page you keep insisting has the link on it.
Just look at this:
Update #26 Part 2 – Trayvon Martin Shooting – A year of drug use culminates in predictable violence… | The Last Refuge

 

[sharon]

I am not going to come to your house and read it to you. Please by all means click the link. Or don't. Ignore the evidence. You choosing to ignore something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It is there for you to read if you want to. I can keep telling you this if you want.

The "half" of the ingredients he had was a soft drink. But your description is much more dramatic sounding.


There are 3 ingredients used, Robotussin (or codiene) Arizona Tea and Skittles (or jolly ranchers). He had 2 of the 3 in his possession and openly admitted making the stuff.



Read the report. The signs of using and abusing this drug are clearly stated and show in his liver. But like you tend to do, ignore it so you don't have to actually face the facts of this case. If the evidence doesn't fit your preconcieved notions then you should just ignore it.

Problem is that Robotussin is NOT codeine.

 

[Kreton]

Problem is that Robotussin is NOT codeine.

YOu can get high off robotussin or codeine. According to Trayvon and his drug buddy Makenzie, you can make some fire ass lean with Robotussin but codiene has more dxm.

 

[Kreton]

It's not there.
Either you're lying or you're ignorant about what we're talking about.

I can prove that there is no link to M's toxicology report on that page.
This link absolutely PROVES that there is no link to the toxicology report on the page you keep insisting has the link on it.
Just look at this:
Update #26 Part 2 – Trayvon Martin Shooting – A year of drug use culminates in predictable violence… | The Last Refuge

I clearly said his liver tox report

which the article links to

RIGHT FREAKING HERE

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/05/17/trayvon.martin.autopsy.pdf?hpt=hp_t2

 

[danarhea]

Then you would know that being in full mount has nothing to do with a match being called. I would even venture to say that more often than not full mounts do NOT result in a fight being called because the fighter either successfully defends himself, rolls over and gives the opponent his/her back, or escapes the position. But this is neither here nor there, since we are talking about unreliable witness testimony anyway. The guy does not know who was calling for help and said that he was not sure punches were being thrown:

Trayvon Martin shooting: Key witness in Trayvon Martin: Now I'm no longer sure Zimmerman was calling for help - Orlando Sentinel





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You're right. I bet Martin was pretty scared when some weird guy was following him all over the place.

Whether the witness is reliable or not is not the point. The point is, if Zimmerman stalked Martin, thus leading to the altercation, as the prosecution contends, then his claims of self defense fly out the window, and the testimony of the witness in question is moot.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

I clearly said his liver tox report
which the article links to
RIGHT FREAKING HERE
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/05/17/trayvon.martin.autopsy.pdf?hpt=hp_t2

It fails to mention that Z had the cough suppressant in his system.

And it's not a tox report, liver or otherwise.

 

[Mathematician]

I just want to state for the record that buying 2/3 of the ingredients for a drug recipe with the intention of preparing it and openly admitting to having prepared such drug are not independent events. I don't think many can argue against the covariance being positive, i.e., the knowledge that one of these events has ocurred increases the odds of the other. We're not talking about a random kid buying these items and then arguing that they were for the drug based purely on the fact that they are ingredients for lean. Martin's prior admission is significant. Furthermore, Martin stated he wanted to avoid "getting roped" for "burnin". Knowing his actions were illegal and not wanting to get caught gives Martin motive for violence when confronted by anyone, thus supporting the claim of self-defense.

 

[sharon]

I clearly said his liver tox report

which the article links to

RIGHT FREAKING HERE

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/05/17/trayvon.martin.autopsy.pdf?hpt=hp_t2

There is NO LIVER TOX in the report you linked.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

Now that it has been established that there's no evidence that M was under the influence of cough suppressant that night...


Let's add that focal fat is not necessarily a sign of anything despite the claims of the blogger to the contrary


Focal Fatty Liver

Among children and adolescents, a retrospective review of 305 consecutive contrast-enhanced abdominal CT scans found the overall prevalence of focal fatty infiltration to be 9.2%, 80% of which were described as geometric and 20% of which were described as ovoid.9 The prevalence increased dramatically with age in this series, with 0% up to 4 years of age, 7.3% from 5–9 years of age, 10.2% from 10–14 years of age, and 25.6% from 15–19 years of age.​

So it's possible that a quarter of teenagers have some version of a focal fatty liver.

 

[Kreton]

Now that it has been established that there's no evidence that M was under the influence of cough suppressant that night...


Let's add that focal fat is not necessarily a sign of anything despite the claims of the blogger to the contrary


Focal Fatty Liver

Among children and adolescents, a retrospective review of 305 consecutive contrast-enhanced abdominal CT scans found the overall prevalence of focal fatty infiltration to be 9.2%, 80% of which were described as geometric and 20% of which were described as ovoid.9 The prevalence increased dramatically with age in this series, with 0% up to 4 years of age, 7.3% from 5–9 years of age, 10.2% from 10–14 years of age, and 25.6% from 15–19 years of age.​

So it's possible that a quarter of teenagers have some version of a focal fatty liver.

Ignore it all you want to. As I keep saying, you ignoring information doesnt make it not there.

 

[sharon]

Ignore it all you want to. As I keep saying, you ignoring information doesnt make it not there.

It makes you look silly..

Pediatricians know the facts.. and so do MEs.....

 

[Simon W. Moon]

Knowing his actions were illegal and not wanting to get caught gives Martin motive for violence when confronted by anyone, thus supporting the claim of self-defense.

This is amazing crock of ****.

M got violent w/ Z because M was trying to hide the fact that he had purchased a soft drink and candy?
WTF?

I would like to see something which shows it's illegal to put your cough medicine in a soft drink.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

Ignore it all you want to. As I keep saying, you ignoring information doesnt make it not there.

There's been no information which shows that M had ingested cough medicine that night.
As such, it's not accurate to describe my actions as ignoring it.

 

[ric27]

The point is, if Zimmerman stalked Martin, thus leading to the altercation, as the prosecution contends, then his claims of self defense fly out the window, and the testimony of the witness in question is moot.

Theres no *if* here because Zimmerman never stalked Martin

You continue to mislead with your stalking term when it has been clearly demonstrated, the term for a criminal offense aka *stalking* DOES NOT APPLY here

 

[danarhea]

I just want to state for the record that buying 2/3 of the ingredients for a drug recipe with the intention of preparing it and openly admitting to having prepared such drug are not independent events. I don't think many can argue against the covariance being positive, i.e., the knowledge that one of these events has ocurred increases the odds of the other. We're not talking about a random kid buying these items and then arguing that they were for the drug based purely on the fact that they are ingredients for lean. Martin's prior admission is significant. Furthermore, Martin stated he wanted to avoid "getting roped" for "burnin". Knowing his actions were illegal and not wanting to get caught gives Martin motive for violence when confronted by anyone, thus supporting the claim of self-defense.

Doesn't matter if Martin were actually Charles Manson. If Zimmerman stalked him, thus leading to the altercation, then he can't claim self defense. This will be pretty much the crux of the prosecutor's case against him.

 

[sharon]

Theres no *if* here because Zimmerman never stalked Martin

You continue to mislead with your stalking term when it has been clearly demonstrated, the term for a criminal offense aka *stalking* DOES NOT APPLY here

Yeah it does meet stalking under FL law.. Repeated instances of following not matter over how brief a time.

 

[Karl]

Common sense plus I've been in similar situations using deadly force [...]

And I'm a former Navy SEAL, astronaut, and Formula 1 driver :lamo

 

[Phoenix]

Doesn't matter if Martin were actually Charles Manson. If Zimmerman stalked him, thus leading to the altercation, then he can't claim self defense. This will be pretty much the crux of the prosecutor's case against him.

This is completely wrong. Even if Zimmerman walked up and slapped TM in the face and walked away, he can still claim self defense under FL law.

 

[Karl]

[...] Knowing his actions were illegal and not wanting to get caught gives Martin motive for violence when confronted by anyone, thus supporting the claim of self-defense.

Knowing his actions were illegal and not wanting to get convicted gives Zimmerman motive to lie about the violence that occurred when he confronted Martin, in order to support his claim of self-defense.

Fixed that for ya

 

[sharon]

This is completely wrong. Even if Zimmerman walked up and slapped TM in the face and walked away, he can still claim self defense under FL law.

Nope.. Read the law.. and don't try it.. You will find yourself in jail.

 

[ric27]

Yeah it does meet stalking under FL law.. Repeated instances of following not matter over how brief a time.

Where in, the Probable Cause Affidavit does it say or mention, the criminal term stalked?

Why was that term omitted?

 

[Phoenix]

Nope.. Read the law.. and don't try it.. You will find yourself in jail.

I have. Here it is.

776.041 Use of force by aggressor.—The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:
(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or
(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:
(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or
(b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.

I've highlighted the part that applies to this situation. It's also interesting to note this law indicates that the use of force is LIKELY to cause death or great bodily harm.