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New report on the Tulsa Race Massacre of 1921 (1 Viewer)

That's your problem, not mine.

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Post #50


Nah, it's not my problem, because I'm not the one who has to corroborate his/her/their claim. That's on you.

That you cannot or won't provide the links to your copies and pastes - even if only to reviews on Amazon - means that you've not proved that "there was no surrender".

Too bad.
 
Post #50


Nah, it's not my problem, because I'm not the one who has to corroborate his/her/their claim. That's on you.

That you cannot or won't provide the links to your copies and pastes - even if only to reviews on Amazon - means that you've not proved that "there was no surrender".

Too bad.

See again post #(50).

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See again post #(50).

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That you don't want to or cannot post the links to your copies and pastes is something I cannot control. It's too bad, because I was looking forward to verifying your copies and pastes and to assessing their sources.
 
That you don't want to or cannot post the links to your copies and pastes is something I cannot control. It's too bad, because I was looking forward to verifying your copies and pastes and to assessing their sources.

See again, post #(50).

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I gave the citation. I gave the source.

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Post #59


No, you didn't. I want to see the site from which you copied and pasted your excerpts. (Providing a title, an author, a publisher isn't good enough.)

Did you grab them from amazon reviews? Provide the links to your copies and pastes.

That you are unwilling or unable to do this is too bad, if only because it indicates a lack of good faith on your part.
 

Post #59


No, you didn't. I want to see the site from which you copied and pasted your excerpts. (Providing a title, an author, a publisher isn't good enough.)

Did you grab them from amazon reviews? Provide the links to your copies and pastes.

That you are unwilling or unable to do this is too bad, if only because it indicates a lack of good faith on your part.

See again, and again, post #(43).

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See again, and again, post #(43).

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Post #43 contains no links to the sources from which you compiled your copies and pastes:

There was no surrender. Quotes from (First With The Most, Robert Selph Henry, Konecky & Konecky, 1992)

"Two years later, on May 30, 1865, and after the end of the war, the same paper considered Fort Pillow once more, concluding that 'there was much misrepresentation about the Fort Pillow affair, It is not true that the rebels took no prisoners. On the contrary, about 200 were taken prisoners and carried South'. p. (267)

"Even before the Congressional committee was named to make the investigation which was to make of Fort Pillow the 'atrocity' of the war, a military investigation had been started. Secretary of War Stanton on Aporil sixteenth ordered Sherman to 'direct a competent officer to investigate and report minutely, and as early as possible, the facts in relaltion to the alleged butchery or our troops at Fort Pillow." p.(268)

And Grant said to Sherman "If our men have been murdered after capture, ...retaliation must be resorted to promptly....Sherman made his own investigation, and had an opportunity to study that made by the Committee of Congress--but there was no retaliation, and General Sherman was not a man to shrink from ordering retaliation had he felt that it was justified." p.(268)

From Dr. Fitch who was a surgeon at Fort Pillow: "I am not aware that there was any formal surrender of Fort Pillow to Forrest's command." p. (264
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In other words, you refuse to provide information (the links to the sources) that is needed to assess the accuracy and credibility of the above.

At this point, there was a massacre of Union soldiers who had surrendered.
 
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Post #43 contains no links to the sources from which you compiled your copies and pastes:

There was no surrender. Quotes from (First With The Most, Robert Selph Henry, Konecky & Konecky, 1992)

"Two years later, on May 30, 1865, and after the end of the war, the same paper considered Fort Pillow once more, concluding that 'there was much misrepresentation about the Fort Pillow affair, It is not true that the rebels took no prisoners. On the contrary, about 200 were taken prisoners and carried South'. p. (267)

"Even before the Congressional committee was named to make the investigation which was to make of Fort Pillow the 'atrocity' of the war, a military investigation had been started. Secretary of War Stanton on Aporil sixteenth ordered Sherman to 'direct a competent officer to investigate and report minutely, and as early as possible, the facts in relaltion to the alleged butchery or our troops at Fort Pillow." p.(268)

And Grant said to Sherman "If our men have been murdered after capture, ...retaliation must be resorted to promptly....Sherman made his own investigation, and had an opportunity to study that made by the Committee of Congress--but there was no retaliation, and General Sherman was not a man to shrink from ordering retaliation had he felt that it was justified." p.(268)

From Dr. Fitch who was a surgeon at Fort Pillow: "I am not aware that there was any formal surrender of Fort Pillow to Forrest's command." p. (264
)

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In other words, you refuse to provide information (the links to the sources) that is needed to assess the accuracy and credibility of the above.

At this point, there was a massacre of Union soldiers who had surrendered.

You can believe whatever you like. I provided the quotes and the source.

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You can believe whatever you like. I provided the quotes and the source.

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You failed to provide the link to your source.

Which, of course, is interesting in and of itself. Did you find an online source of the book? If so, why not provide that link?

Do you have a hard copy of the book, which means you laboriously typed out each word yourself? If so, why not admit it?

Are you the sort of person who digs his/her/their heels in and refuses to comply with the requests of others?
 
You failed to provide the link to your source.

Which, of course, is interesting in and of itself. Did you find an online source of the book? If so, why not provide that link?

Do you have a hard copy of the book, which means you laboriously typed out each word yourself? If so, why not admit it?

Are you the sort of person who digs his/her/their heels in and refuses to comply with the requests of others?

Of course I have the book.

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"First With The Most, Robert Selph Henry, Konecky & Konecky, 1992"

Biography of Nathan Bedford Forrest

Hmmmmmmmmmmm
Oh, yeah, this is the source. Is this the reason the poster is shy about providing the links?

But we still don't know where the copies and pastes came from. We cannot even confirm they're from the book.

Too bad. That the massacre of POWs took place is, naturally, controversial.
 
Of course I have the book.

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Ah, so you laboriously - and, perhaps, erroneously - typed each word yourself?

Btw, what makes a biography of Forrest more credible, in your eyes, than other sources?
 
Ah, so you laboriously - and, perhaps, erroneously - typed each word yourself?

Btw, what makes a biography of Forrest more credible, in your eyes, than other sources?

Of course I typed each word. It wasn't hard.

Well, Forrest was the Confederate Officer coming against Fort Pillow. He is the one who presented the offer of surrender in order to avoid bloodshed. The offer was refused.

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Of course I typed each word. It wasn't hard.

Well, Forrest was the Confederate Officer coming against Fort Pillow. He is the one who presented the offer of surrender in order to avoid bloodshed. The offer was refused.

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Post #70

Let's not forget this fact: Forrest is the commanding officer whose troops would have slaughtered prisoners of war, if the Union soldiers did indeed surrender.

So, what makes this biography of Forrest more credible in your eyes than other accounts in which the Union soldiers are said to have surrendered?
 
Post #70

Let's not forget this fact: Forrest is the commanding officer whose troops would have slaughtered prisoners of war, if the Union soldiers did indeed surrender.

So, what makes this biography of Forrest more credible in your eyes than other accounts in which the Union soldiers are said to have surrendered?

What fact? That is an assumption, and a false one at that. There is nothing to indicate that Forrest would have killed anyone if the Fort had surrendered.

What makes your account of union soldiers more credible then the biography of Forrest?

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Of course I typed each word. It wasn't hard.

Well, Forrest was the Confederate Officer coming against Fort Pillow. He is the one who presented the offer of surrender in order to avoid bloodshed. The offer was refused.

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Signs and gestures of surrender


A white flag or handkerchief is often taken or intended as a signal of a desire to surrender, but in international law, it simply represents a desire for a parley that may or may not result in a formal surrender.[3] Normally, a surrender will involve the handing over of weapons; the commanding officer of a surrendering force symbolically offers his sword to the victorious commander. Individual combatants can indicate a surrender by discarding weapons and raising their hands empty and open above their heads; a surrendering tank commander should point the tank's turret away from opposing combatants, although they may have to leave the tank in order to clearly signal surrender.[4] Flags and ensigns are hauled down or furled, and ships' colors are struck.
 
What fact? That is an assumption, and a false one at that. There is nothing to indicate that Forrest would have killed anyone if the Fort had surrendered.

What makes you account of union soldiers more credible then the biography of Forrest?

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Post #72


Again, and this time, READ what I typed. Don't infer something. READ:

Let's not forget this fact: Forrest is the commanding officer whose troops would have slaughtered prisoners of war, if the Union soldiers did indeed surrender.

I assume you are familiar with the various verbal constructions used in English. Pay attention to them. Also pay attention to the use of the word "if".
 
What fact? That is an assumption, and a false one at that. There is nothing to indicate that Forrest would have killed anyone if the Fort had surrendered.

What makes your account of union soldiers more credible then the biography of Forrest?

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Soldiers surrendered.

And were slaughtered.

Signs and gestures of surrender


A white flag or handkerchief is often taken or intended as a signal of a desire to surrender, but in international law, it simply represents a desire for a parley that may or may not result in a formal surrender.[3] Normally, a surrender will involve the handing over of weapons; the commanding officer of a surrendering force symbolically offers his sword to the victorious commander. Individual combatants can indicate a surrender by discarding weapons and raising their hands empty and open above their heads; a surrendering tank commander should point the tank's turret away from opposing combatants, although they may have to leave the tank in order to clearly signal surrender.[4] Flags and ensigns are hauled down or furled, and ships' colors are struck.
 

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