New NYT/Ipsos poll on trans sports and minors

[The Mark]

Oh then I have to disagree. Typically people who are actually affected by issues are overspoken by people who want to leverage the issue of political gain.

So are there only a few people not directly affected by an issue that are simply supporting those who are, with no desire or intent to use it for political gain?

Frankly I've had the impression that a majority of people are not using issues for political gain, but you seem to be saying the majority are.

 

[CLAX1911]

So are there only a few people not directly affected by an issue that are simply supporting those who are, with no desire or intent to use it for political gain?

They are overrun by the people who need attention.

Frankly I've had the impression that a majority of people are not using issues for political gain, but you seem to be saying the majority are.

You never said the majority of people are not sure where you got that from.

But for example, I'm a gay person, I grew up in the 90s when it was much less socially accepted. All I ever wanted was to be treated like a normal person. But this doesn't stop straight people from speaking for me and telling other people I want more than that. And this is harmful because the backlash is against that behavior not me.

 

[The Mark]

They are overrun by the people who need attention.

Is it need, want, or both?

At first I thought you were saying that the majority of people who are vocally supporting some issues do so because they want to make political gains using that issue.
Now it seems you're saying that people who need attention are using the issues to gain that attention?

You never said the majority of people are not sure where you got that from.

But for example, I'm a gay person, I grew up in the 90s when it was much less socially accepted. All I ever wanted was to be treated like a normal person. But this doesn't stop straight people from speaking for me and telling other people I want more than that. And this is harmful because the backlash is against that behavior not me.

I had the impression you meant that, from previous exchange.
/shrug.
Apparently incorrect impression.

 

[CLAX1911]

Is it need, want, or both?

Splitting hairs.

At first I thought you were saying that the majority of people who are vocally supporting some issues do so because they want to make political gains using that issue.

I'm sorry if my words weren't clear. In the majority of people I find don't care to a point.

Now it seems you're saying that people who need attention are using the issues to gain that attention?

That's what those other things yes.

I had the impression you meant that, from previous exchange.
/shrug.
Apparently incorrect impression.

I may not have communicated very well and for that I apologize.

None of this is the majority the majority of people don't care to a point.

 

[Lisa]

But for example, I'm a gay person, I grew up in the 90s when it was much less socially accepted. All I ever wanted was to be treated like a normal person. But this doesn't stop straight people from speaking for me and telling other people I want more than that. And this is harmful because the backlash is against that behavior not me.

Have you ever considered extending that same idea of being left alone to transgendered people, or is that freedom and attitude just for gay men like you?

 

[CLAX1911]

Have you ever considered extending that same idea of being left alone to transgendered people,

Absolutely. And if I encounter them in life I treat them like everyone else. Why wouldn't I?

or is that freedom and attitude just for gay men like you?

I try my best to treat everyone the way I wish to be treated. And I don't think there is any reason to be inhospitable to trans people? Where did you get the idea that I did?

 

[Gardener]

Have you ever considered extending that same idea of being left alone to transgendered people, or is that freedom and attitude just for gay men like you?

Have you ever considered asking the same question TO the MTF bullies who are ruining women's sports?

 

[Lisa]

Have you ever considered asking the same question TO the MTF bullies who are ruining women's sports?

Are these MtF bullies also UFOs, unicorns, Orcs and leprechauns?

What about FtM and NB/GF bullies, or don't they exist?

 

[Gardener]

Are these MtF bullies also UFOs, unicorns, Orcs and leprechauns?

What about FtM and NB/GF bullies, or don't they exist?

You have been reduced to posting complete nonsense.

 

[Lisa]

You have been reduced to posting complete nonsense.

You just conceded the discussion with that personal attack. Have a nice day.

 

[Gardener]

You just conceded the discussion with that personal attack. Have a nice day.

How silly. I did no such thing.

Report the post if you think it violated rules.

 

[j brown's body]

Have you ever considered asking the same question TO the MTF bullies who are ruining women's sports?

All 6 of them?

 

[Gardener]

All 6 of them?

There are certainly more than that, but thanks for reminding people that you support the tyranny of the minority here.

 

[j brown's body]

There are certainly more than that, but thanks for reminding people that you support the tyranny of the minority here.

8?

I find it bitterly amusing that this is the hill to die on, a few trans gender women just trying to fit in being painted as demons who are destroying women's sports, so you can fancy yourselves as great defenders of womanhood while depriving them of the right to control their own bodies or get equal sports funding.

Can't you guys find something better to hate?

 

[Lisa]

All 6 of them?

There are literally 6 transgender athletes in the entire state of Ohio and they have won bupkis/zero/zilch/nodda, but still the GOP put a law in place that stop them from playing when there are 50 other issues that the GOP need to address instead, such as school funding and water safety.